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Offline Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:10:33 PM(UTC)
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I just watched it again, in HD (I love that stuff) and the helmets did collide, but Ryan Taylor didn't lead with his helmet at all. I'm not sure if that'll play into it or not.
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#12 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 6:01:26 AM(UTC)
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Yeah instead he took his knee out. Yes, the new agenda is the head, but I still find little use for chopping the knees out. Hence why I really think the NFL is more motivated by the wallet and the continuance of the game than player safety on these fines for hits.

Otherwise, cut or reach blocks at the knees should be out of the game already.

On the Taylor Block.. by the letter of the law, it is legal, should it be? Debatable and hard to really play it if you are a player playing is space. Much like the defenseless receiver calls, some are being over protective. As a player, it is somewhat hard to specifically judge where a player is going to be and his body position when they are moving with momentum. It was a boarder line physical block.. could go either way. As a player, I would error on the side of popping him and debating it later. I would definitely appeal it... it applies the pressure back to the league on consistency and adjusting the rules back in line with their wallet protecting "vision".



I don't like the rule, but by rule, it is ILLEGAL. It is the same defenseless rule.
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#13 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 10:18:21 AM(UTC)
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Note that, being an offensive player, they did not flag him. After all dude might score and give the league a great highlight reel!

But they'll turn around and fine him after the fact.
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#14 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 10:43:53 AM(UTC)
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I don't like the rule, but by rule, it is ILLEGAL. It is the same defenseless rule.


In no way am I saying you're wrong, because point blank I don't know all the rules... BUT..
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#15 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 11:15:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
I don't like the rule, but by rule, it is ILLEGAL. It is the same defenseless rule.


Which rule are you speaking of? This block or the cut?

This does not apply to clipping nor a crackback. So...

For this rule, as long as the blocker has both hands in the front or at the side of the player, it is not a penalty. See Highlight... and then look at the block in the attached photos.. both of Taylor's arms are either in front or on the side of the defender. It is a legal block.

But the next post, lets look at the defenseless or "blindside" block definitions in 2012.

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#16 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 11:28:03 AM(UTC)
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I need to rewatch the video, but I don't believe Taylor is moving parallel to the end line.. he was moving more of primary direction of away from the endzone.

Looking purely at this still.. it appears to support that. No Online video that I could find from here.

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Anyone able to upload the segment with this block?

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#17 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 2:13:18 PM(UTC)
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Defenseless player... Added 2012.

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I need to rewatch the video, but I don't believe Taylor is moving parallel to the end line.. he was moving more of primary direction of away from the endzone.


It depends on which endzone they're calling theirs... if they're calling the end zone they're defending then he's moving towards it for the block...

And based on that wording it has NOTHING to do with the hit... it's the "approach" which makes it illegal...

Based on that wording it's illegal for a blocker to use their athletic abilities and catch up to a guy from behind and touch him....

(but lets be honest... if it wasn't a big hit, and if it wasn't keep the guy down for a while, then the NFL probably wouldn't of cared or noticed this hit and wouldn't of said it's illegal... at least that's my current thought.)
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#18 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 3:15:47 PM(UTC)
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Defenseless is a WR going up for the ball, extending his arms and making his body vulnerable.

This is just a guy who didn't keep his head on a swivel. Fuck him.
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#19 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 12:37:02 PM(UTC)
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I just want to say, two weeks after the fact, that the fine is complete fucking bullshit. It was a great block by Taylor. Textbook.

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