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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:26:39 AM(UTC)
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Bob McGinn says the difference in preseason performance is reason enough we should be cautious assuming the Packers passing game will be great again in 2012 as it was in 2011.

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			2011	2012
Comp		37		21
Att			47		43
Comp%		78.7%	48.8%
Yards		395		234
TD			4		1
INT			0		2
Sacked		6		1
Rush Yards	18		76
Rush TD		0		2
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:39:04 AM(UTC)
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I read the McGinn column and I don't believe it. Rodgers is going to light up the rest of the NFL. Adding Benson to the mix, he could eclipse those 2011 numbers. The dude won the MVP, not in a surprise year, but rather one immediately following a SB victory. Last season, every opponent's SB was their game against GB, and Rodgers torched them, with the exception of two dismal team failures v. KC and NYG. This year will be even better.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:40:09 AM(UTC)
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I think what will matter the most is IF the Packers can finally establish a REAL running game.
That could open up the passing game even more!
Plus, if our defense can actually STOP a team, it may slow down our own offense. They won't have to feel they have to score every time they touch the ball.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 8:52:31 AM(UTC)
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You bring up a good point Cheesey. With an improved defense, our O should have even more opportunities. I do think Aaron's numbers improve over 2011. We all knew his preseason game participation was virtually meaningless. So did the rest of the O. McGinn's comments are mostly based on that, his preseason, which is tough for me to buy into.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 9:50:01 AM(UTC)
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I don't really care. I just want our team to play well overall.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 9:58:24 AM(UTC)
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Ahhh... McGinn basing production off the preseason. Love it.

Anyway, at a very high level.. personally I hope the numbers are not a repeat or even better. I strive for more balance so that only dictates that X number of snaps should be distributed differently. I hope we control the clock more, protecting the defense as much as possible with the amount of youngster taking snaps, thus cutting down the number of snaps the offense has over the course of the season.

I want the same effectiveness, just a more balanced approach to the game so that we can roll through the playoffs and give our team the maximum chance of winning it all.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 10:01:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
I don't really care. I just want our team to play well overall.


This.

I'd rather us have a SB win with Rodgers having an average (for him) season.

More importantly than Rodgers' raw numbers right now are our sack totals.

2011 - 31 sacks. 1 and done in the Playoffs. Opposing QBs threw for 29 TDs and had a 80.6 rating

2010 - 47 sacks. SB win. Opposing QBs threw for 16 TDs and had a 67.2 rating

Simply put, put the opposing QB on his butt and you get in his head.

Rodgers will be good. That's a guarantee. He'll throw more than twice as many TDs as INTs because that's what Rodgers has always done and we got pretty much the same O team as last year, except with possibly an even better OL.

The play of the D is much more important to the team's success right now.
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Offline play2win  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 11:53:41 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Ahhh... McGinn basing production off the preseason. Love it.


I read the article this morning, and that was how he presented his case:
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"Three months shy of his 29th birthday, Rodgers should be at the peak of his physical and mental powers. For three years he has been shredding defenses with his arm, his feet and his brain.

For whatever reason, Rodgers hasn't been quite on top of his game, both in training camp and in five quarters of exhibition football.

The No. 1 offense didn't often sweep down the field in majestic fashion to beat the defense in end-of-game scenarios. Nelson was a spectacular sight to behold over the last six weeks, but Rodgers probably didn't complete as many phenomenal passes and his receivers didn't make as many phenomenal catches as they have in summers past."


and:

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"In 1998, the Packers had another coach in his seventh season with a team that also was the popular choice for the third straight year to win the Super Bowl.

Well, Mike Holmgren's team turned it over 14 times in five exhibition games that year before posting by far the worst turnover differential of his career (minus-11) in the regular season. The wild-card playoff loss in San Francisco that included four giveaways ended his career in Green Bay."


I didn't just make that up...

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 12:28:29 PM(UTC)
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With the typo in the title.. I keep thinking Aaron Harang.

I going back to re-watch all the preseason so I can transpose the stats for the season.. later. Big Grin

Think of the time I will save in not having to watch the season.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 12:34:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
With the typo in the title.. I keep thinking Aaron Harang.



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#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 5, 2012 12:36:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Eye.
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LOL.. Sorry.. but it is literally what came to mind. Unsure why.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 5:23:02 AM(UTC)
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maybe Bob is onto something ...
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Offline Pack93z  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:21:41 AM(UTC)
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A 93.3 percent rating against probably the best defense in the league overall.. we shall see what Bob is on to.

Since the numbers Aaron put up last season have never been done before, predicting a slide is hardly a gamble of a bet... lol.

Bob looks good right now.. lets revisit this again shall we. Big Grin

Using a one game sample to project (about as meaningless as using preseason stats to project into the regular season) Aaron hits.

4848 Passing yards
32 TouchDowns

We are doomed. lol.
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Offline steveishere  
#14 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 11:52:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post

Bob looks good right now.. lets revisit this again shall we. Big Grin


Well, just over the halfway point of the season and Rodgers leads the NFL in TD passes despite playing a tougher defensive schedule than probably any other QB.
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#15 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 11:57:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Well, just over the halfway point of the season and Rodgers leads the NFL in TD passes despite playing a tougher defensive schedule than probably any other QB.


Exactly.. like I said, we obviously have been doomed.. lol.

Another aspect that should be mentioned in that statement, the we haven't had a full array of offensive weapons to utilize as well. Had to laugh at Linda Cohn hopping on the Rodgers has never had to deal with adversity nonsense when belittling his accomplishments of this and past years. You East Coast biased little.. (you fill in the rest).


Now if Bob would have predicted a revisit of the 2010 injury bug based on a Ouija board type apparatus, talking to the evil little gnome like spirit that continues to pile on the bad luck.. that I might have bought into. Whistle
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#16 Posted : Friday, November 16, 2012 12:41:44 PM(UTC)
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A comparison of numbers between the two seasons, just for kicks, through 9 games.

Maybe I will get cute and add drops to the chart.


But one of the stats that popped off the screen.. last season, we faced teams with a defensive ranking against the pass of 21.33.. bottom third of the league. This year. 11.78.

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#17 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:49:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
A comparison of numbers between the two seasons, just for kicks, through 9 games.

Maybe I will get cute and add drops to the chart.


But one of the stats that popped off the screen.. last season, we faced teams with a defensive ranking against the pass of 21.33.. bottom third of the league. This year. 11.78.


i love those houston stats gahtdamn
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#18 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 2:02:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
A comparison of numbers between the two seasons, just for kicks, through 9 games.

Maybe I will get cute and add drops to the chart.


But one of the stats that popped off the screen.. last season, we faced teams with a defensive ranking against the pass of 21.33.. bottom third of the league. This year. 11.78.


WOW shit....... I thought he had more TDs at this time this year than last year... fuckin impressive. Shows why he ran away with MVP last year
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#19 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:24:25 AM(UTC)
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Most years we would be more than pleased with the 107 QB rating. It just happens to be the year after an extraordinary performance.
Aaron Rodgers is second overall in rating even after a sub Aaron Rodgers showing against AZ. Even with so many drops by his intended receivers. Even with so many games being missed by his receivers. Even with so many sacks and being pressured so much. Can you imagine what his rating would be if he had the time to find the open/healthy receiver? it would be as good as last year.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:33:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Most years we would be more than pleased with the 107 QB rating. It just happens to be the year after an extraordinary performance.
Aaron Rodgers is second overall in rating even after a sub Aaron Rodgers showing against AZ. Even with so many drops by his intended receivers. Even with so many games being missed by his receivers. Even with so many sacks and being pressured so much. Can you imagine what his rating would be if he had the time to find the open/healthy receiver? it would be as good as last year.


And if you applied the same stipulations to last year his QB rating probably would have been 140+. Which isn't so much a knock on this year or "misfortune" this year, as it says just how amazing last year was.
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#21 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:29:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
And if you applied the same stipulations to last year his QB rating probably would have been 140+. Which isn't so much a knock on this year or "misfortune" this year, as it says just how amazing last year was.


right the same thing can be applied to any year. Last year was amazing. This year is still a very good one.
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#22 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 8:40:11 AM(UTC)
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Only "negative" that jumped out at me was the change in yards/attempt.
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#23 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 9:04:59 AM(UTC)
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Only "negative" that jumped out at me was the change in yards/attempt.


It seems to me that he's not completing as many of those deep passes that he was completing last year. I'm sure that has an effect.

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#24 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:05:57 AM(UTC)
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 8:16:26 AM(UTC)
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Updated through Week 11.


3 less completions and 3 less tds is totally unacceptable. if those 3 were completed for tds his qb rating would be about the same as last year. what a slacker.
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