Discussion Board
Welcome Guest! You can login or register. Login or Register.

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 4:09:56 PM(UTC)
Thought this would be a good article to archive and get everyone's thoughts on. Curious as to what the haters will say ...

JASON WILDE said:
GREEN BAY – Jermichael Finley is unhappy with his numbers, but you wouldn’t know it by the quiet way the Green Bay Packers often outspoken tight end is carrying himself.

Finley enters Sunday’s game at Detroit having caught only 29 passes for 271 yards and one touchdown through the season’s first nine games, putting him on pace for 51 receptions for 481 yards. He had 55 catches for 767 yards and eight touchdowns last season, which he considered a disappointment after being on pace for a monster year in 2010 (84 receptions for 1,201 yards after catching 21 passes for 301 yards in the first four games before a season-ending knee injury). In 2009, he had 55 catches for 676 yards and five TDs before his breakout playoff performance.

Moreover, he has been a complete statistical non-factor over the past five games, catching only three passes for 11 yards at Indianapolis on Oct. 7, two passes for 12 yards at Houston on Oct. 14, two passes for 31 yards at St. Louis on Oct. 21, two passes for 24 yards against Jacksonville on Oct. 28 and one pass for 6 yards against Arizona on Nov. 4, the Packers’ last game before the bye week.

And yet, Finley hasn’t made a peep – publicly or, according to his position coach and his offensive coordinator, privately. In a conversation in the locker room this week, he sounded downright philosophical about the situation.

“I’d have been a lot worse (in the past). Not because I wanted to, it was just me a couple years ago,” Finley explained when asked why he’s been so quiet about being, well, so quiet.

“I’m handling it pretty well right now. My wife (Courtney), every time I get in the door and she says, ‘How was your day?’ she says, ‘You’re 100 times better than you were a year ago. Or even a couple weeks ago.’ Everybody sees it.

“What makes me be like that? I look at it like this: I’m 25, I’m a smart guy with a lot of upside in my career. One year or one play or one game doesn’t define me. I had nine games like that (this year), but I’m just looking at it as a blessing that I’m still able to run out there and be with one of the best quarterbacks.”

If there is something that bothers Finley about his lack of production lately, it’s that everything seems to be aligned for him to break out. He and quarterback Aaron Rodgers, with whom Finley says he’s had a hot-and-cold relationship over the past couple of years, are meeting every Saturday night one-on-one in advance of games at the team hotel, going over plays and routes in an effort to improve their oft-discussed chemistry.

A few weeks ago, coach Mike McCarthy pulled Finley into his office for a motivational meeting in which he showed Finley clips of his tour-de-force performance in the 2009 NFC Wild Card Playoffs, when he set a franchise record with 159 receiving yards in a loss to the Cardinals.

And the separated A/C joint in his shoulder is fully healedafter he played through the pain against the Texans and Rams after suffering the injury against the Colts.

And yet, the production still isn’t there.

“It’s not there at all,” Finley admitted. “It’s out of my hands. If I could throw myself the ball – hike it, throw it up in the air and go get it – I’d do it every single play. But (Rodgers) has got guys that he’s got chemistry with, guys he’s on with right now. I don’t blame him. But looking from my side, I’m pissed. Inside. But I ain’t got no reason to be pissed at him or anybody else. It’s just not coming my way.”

Asked why Finley has been such a non-factor, both offensive coordinator Tom Clements and tight ends coach Jerry Fontenot pointed to the attention Finley draws from defenses, even with his meager statistics.

“Defenses are always aware of Jermichael, so they’re going to try to take him away because he’s a force. And we’re going to run our offense, and a lot of times the defense dictates where the ball goes,” Clements said. “But he’s worked through his injury and I think he’s in a good place. And hopefully, he and the rest of the offense can be as productive as possible.

“We certainly want him on the field, so I think there’s a value. He has the ability to be a playmaker and the defense has to be aware of him. So it is beneficial.”

Fontenot, in his first year coaching Finley after taking over for now-quarterbacks coach Ben McAdoo, said he hasn’t had any problems with Finley complaining or not working hard because of his frustration.

“So far I really haven’t seen any blowups. He is an emotional guy, because he wants to win, wants to play well, wants to contribute. He wants all those things. So I’m sure that he has been frustrated. Have I seen it? Anytime I’m around him professionally, he’s on point,” Fontenot said.

“Emphasizing positives, he’s played through an injury, played through pain. He continues to work. He’s got a great work ethic, he’s got great enthusiasm. The more he’s able to bring that enthusiasm to practice and the more energy he has in a positive way, it’s going to benefit him.

“When the opportunities come, we have to make the best of them. You’re not always going to get the opportunities that you want. But during those times, you’ve got to be able to stay steadfast in your approach, stay steadfast in your preparation, and he has. And those opportunities will come back. It’s the way the ball falls, so to speak. There are a lot of options on the field, the quarterback is going to take the best one. And as a result, (his) targets are down.”

Indeed, during his five-game stretch of minimal productivity, Finley has been targeted just 18 times, according to ProFootballFocus.com. For comparison, in the first four games, he was targeted 27 times, including a whopping 11 times in the season opener against San Francisco on Sept. 9, when he caught seven passes for 47 yards and his lone TD. While he has been charged with seven drops on the season, three have come during the past five games – one each against the Colts, Texans and Jaguars.

Finley hasn’t had a 100-yard receiving game since Sept. 27, 2010, when he caught nine passes for 115 yards in a loss at Chicago. In the 28 games he’s played since, his most productive performances have been a seven-catch, 85-yard, three-TD game against the Bears on Sept. 25, 2011 and a six-catch, 87-yard, one-TD game against the New York Giants last Dec. 4.

And yet, defenses are paying attention to him. Against the Texans, who gave up six touchdown passes to Rodgers, the perfect illustration came on Rodgers’ second of three TD passes to Jordy Nelson, a 21-yarder that made it 21-7. (For a brilliant breakdown of the entire play, read ex-Packers safety Matt Bowen’s piece on National Football Post. Bowen is as good as it gets when it comes to explaining complex NFL concepts to the rest of us.)

On the play, Finley is bracketed on the opposite side, carrying two defenders away from Rodgers’ intended target. While it didn’t show up in the stat book, which had Finley catching two passes for 12 yards on four targets, he played a vital role on the play.

“I’ve been getting that (attention) since I got on the stage, not my first year but my second year, when guys started catching on,” Finley said. “There are some guys who don’t have to put up any numbers and defenses know that if that guy gets off, the whole offense clicks. A smart defensive coordinator, like Wade Phillips in Houston, knows that.”

In fact, Finley said when Phillips saw him warming up before the game and learned he would play, Phillips gave Finley a thumbs-up from across the field.

“That game, I wasn’t supposed to play, and he was like, ‘Thanks for telling me, because now we have to go switch some things up (in the defensive game plan),’” Finley said. “So it’s a compliment, but when I come out of the game with one (catch) for 6 yards (like against Arizona), I get that sense (of disappointment).”

And yet, Finley hasn’t expressed that disappointment in a way detrimental to his team. He’s hoping things turn around soon, though.

“It could (change) Sunday,” Finley said. “It’s the weirdest thing. I’ve never been through this. It’s hard for me. It’s just hard for me to grasp it all.”
steveishere  
#2 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:26:11 PM(UTC)
chopped up quote said:
Jermichael Finley is unhappy with his numbers, he sounded down about the situation.

If there is something that bothers Finley about his lack of production lately, it’s quarterback Aaron Rodgers, with whom Finley says he’s had a cold relationship over the past couple of years.


cut...his...ass!
nerdmann  
#3 Posted : Saturday, November 17, 2012 11:35:58 PM(UTC)
So doing an interview is the same as not saying anything?

Catch the damn ball.
gbguy20  
#4 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 12:00:03 AM(UTC)
haha i know its early in the thread but so far the reactions are great
Packfan87  
#5 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:40:53 AM(UTC)
I've always been a fan of Finley....I love his passion even if he doesn't always express it in the right ways.

Hopefully he can have a breakout game soon.
Rios39  
#6 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:42:53 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
So doing an interview is the same as not saying anything?

Catch the damn ball.


he's answering questions.
Rios39  
#7 Posted : Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:44:50 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
cut...his...ass!


Way to cherry pick that article to a tea lol. He's saying him and Rodgers haven't been clicking together? Is that a stretch??

The only times I see him get thrown to is when it's back shoulder a foot off the ground or sideline for a diving catch or in between 2 defenders. So he's either not getting open, Rodgers is forcing him some bad balls or both. I'm saying both.
nerdmann  
#8 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 3:04:26 AM(UTC)
Micheal Rodney's Twitter

Quote:
Finley's long reception late in the game finally brought his yards per catch average to over 10. He had been in single digits since week 1.


He's BACK baby!
Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 5:34:23 AM(UTC)
I liked Jermichael Finley's tone after the game. His biggest game of the season and he was humble.
http://www.packers.com/n...a-4c08-b5b1-62080a1685c7
steveishere  
#10 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 6:51:22 AM(UTC)
Rios39 said: Go to Quoted Post
Way to cherry pick that article to a tea lol. He's saying him and Rodgers haven't been clicking together? Is that a stretch??

The only times I see him get thrown to is when it's back shoulder a foot off the ground or sideline for a diving catch or in between 2 defenders. So he's either not getting open, Rodgers is forcing him some bad balls or both. I'm saying both.


My quote was legit dude [grin1]
wpr  
#11 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 7:04:59 AM(UTC)
he will have his numbers by the end of the year. Drawing extra coverage is beneficial to the rest of the team. Loved his ramble up the sidelines for 40 yesterday. The needed that for the win.
play2win  
#12 Posted : Monday, November 19, 2012 9:17:43 AM(UTC)
Hey, I've railed on the guy, but my hat is off to him for his play Sunday. Great contributions to an important win. It was something to build off of. I can see him having a gigantic game here very soon. This was really encouraging. I'm all for this kid succeeding with the Packers, and their investment in his growth paying off. Sunday was a great step in the right direction.
Rss Feed
Users browsing this topic
Guest
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error

Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (7h) : I've read there limited high end talent but a lot of good talent. I dunno. I'm not bummed though. Unless we take QB or K or P next lol
DarkaneRules (7h) : well it's not deep at QB, hence why so many people are trading up for one
Zero2Cool (7h) : We're gonna be trading back again. This is exciting! Great strategy if draft is as deep as we're being told.
DarkaneRules (7h) : that moment will always be justin harrell for me
Pack93z (7h) : I can honestly say, that might be the most disappointing moment under Ted Thompson, and impact edge player there, from Wisconsin, and they p
DarkaneRules (10h) : hopefully they move back again. keep gettin' them picks
Smokey (17h) : Nothing motivates a player like dropping from the 1st round and loosing 1st round money. GB's 1st second round pick will be ever so thrilled
Cheesey (18h) : Dang..watched for 3 1/2 hours for THAT?!?
Smokey (22h) : Zero your on the clock ; CHAT THE DRAFT ?
dhazer (27-Apr) : you mean a show that teams improve them selves and we wait all night for our pick and TT trades back lol
Zero2Cool (27-Apr) : NFL Draft is tonight, right?
Tezzy (27-Apr) : \_/ Smokey!
Smokey (26-Apr) : \_/ Tezzy
Tezzy (26-Apr) : I feel we are on the cusp of a special time of Packers football. My optimism for the rest of the 2000-teens is strong.
Tezzy (26-Apr) : Sign Cutler and draft a QB in round 1. Go Pack Go!!!!
TheKanataThrilla (25-Apr) : I will be there with beer in hand.
Smokey (25-Apr) : CHAT and Draft Thursday night in the PACKERSHOME CHAT ROOM ! Don't forget the cold beer .
TheKanataThrilla (21-Apr) : Seattle at Pack week 1. Hopefully Aaron gets some reps this preseason.
TheKanataThrilla (20-Apr) : Ruben Foster tests positive for weed. Any chance he falls to us? Probably not.
Smokey (20-Apr) : Thanks wpr, I'll order a L.Pizza !
wpr (20-Apr) : Smokey the chat room has been available for prior drafts
Smokey (20-Apr) : Great News , Zero . Also will the "Chat" room be up and operating for the 1st round of the NFL Draft ?
Zero2Cool (20-Apr) : Packers schedule coming out today, 7pm CST
Zero2Cool (19-Apr) : Fans should care about Dean Blandino’s departure from the NFL because it matters…a lot http://ble.ac/2osxh74
Zero2Cool (19-Apr) : Aaron Hernandez found dead in prison cell
Tezzy (18-Apr) : That stat line of 142 of 144 regular season games
Zero2Cool (18-Apr) : A.J. Hawk will retire with the @packers after recording the most tackles in franchise history (1,118)
Smokey (14-Apr) : Hernandez already convicted of previous two murders .
Smokey (14-Apr) : Aaron Hermandez found Not Guilty of Murder Charges .
Smokey (11-Apr) : Packers will play the Eagles , Redskins , Broncos , and Rams in Preseason 2017 .
Zero2Cool (11-Apr) : Odd to see GM John Lynch .. I won't get used to that for a while haha
Cheesey (10-Apr) : I don't think she has anything to do with how he plays on the field.
Porforis (7-Apr) : 100% conjecture but maybe they've been on the rocks and that contributed to his long slump?
Zero2Cool (7-Apr) : Aaron Rodgers and actress Olivia Munn break up, People magazine reports. Here we go
Porforis (7-Apr) : Forum needs some FOOTBAH! l.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2017 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 7:30 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 8 @ 3:25 PM
at Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 15 @ 12:00 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 AM
- BYE -
Monday, Nov 6 @ 7:30 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
RAVENS
Sunday, Nov 26 @ 7:30 PM
at Steelers
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 10 @ 12:00 PM
at Browns
Saturday, Dec 23 @ 7:30 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 12:00 PM
at Lions
Saturday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
at Panthers
Think About It
Think About It
Recent Topics
36m / Green Bay Packers Talk / dhazer

43m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Rockmolder

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / FLORIDA PACKER88

27-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

26-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

26-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

26-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Tezzy

25-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / PackFanWithTwins

24-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / PackFanWithTwins

24-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / PackFanWithTwins

22-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Apr / Around The NFL / Smokey

Headlines