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Offline Pack93z  
#51 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 12:56:03 PM(UTC)
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I am trying to leverage your point and looking for similarities within seasons. Just took one.

Jason Hanson - 2001. Career 82.80% kicker.

He had to stretches in 2001 that were way out of mean..

Kicks 5 - 18 Made 9 of 14 - 64.28% - Average Length of miss - 48.2 (one 65 yarder all others under 50) - 18.52 points from norm.

Kicks 17 - 29 Made 7 of 13 - 53.85% - Average Length of miss - 47.2 (two 51 rest under 50) - 28.95 points from norm.

Now compare that to Crosby - Career 78.23% kicker.

Kicks 6 - 18 Made 6 of 13 - 45.15% - Average Length of miss - 46.42 ( 4 of 50 or more, including a 58 yarder) - 33.08 points from norm.


Again.. each of the three tenured kicks have similar patterns, they all seem to go into slumps similar to Crosby's at the moment.

All I am trying to illustrate here is that the sky isn't falling in terms of Crosby at the moment, actually this is somewhat normal swoon for a kicker.

Again, if there is a problem here is the overall performance from Crosby to this point in his career, a lower percentage overall. But for Aikman and others to say that this is atypical of a kicker overall, slumps wise, it just isn't that different than some of the most tenured kickers in the game today.

Even then.. it is 4 points lower than a kicker that has kicked a majority of his kicks in a dome.
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Offline play2win  
#52 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:07:57 PM(UTC)
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Its cool Pack93. Yeah, I'm just trying like crazy to find a similar slump to his, and coming up with very little, especially looking to those who have recovered with like slumps. I'm just not finding them. His seems a bit more severe than most when looking outside the normal swings from 85-65% ish.

I'm really just hoping for the best for him, and wanting to recognize the struggle he is facing. If he recovers from this one, I think it may go down as one of the best recoveries ever. Really. he has great support from the rest of the team, and he did make his last one. It was good that he got that, giving him something to build off of.
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#53 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:16:40 PM(UTC)
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We just gotta root for him and pray, imo

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Offline Porforis  
#54 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:25:15 PM(UTC)
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Maybe the refs haven't been getting out the K balls.
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#55 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:51:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
II'm just trying like crazy to find a similar slump to his, and coming up with very little, especially looking to those who have recovered with like slumps. I'm just not finding them. His seems a bit more severe than most when looking outside the normal swings from 85-65% ish.



Ryan Longwell's slump of 2001...

1999: 83.3
2000: 86.8%
2001: 64.5%
2002: 82.4%
2003: 88.5%

and Crosby is asked to attempt a lot more 50+ yard kicks compared to Longwell which bring Crosby average down. If you look inside of the 50 Crosby numbers (in non-slump years) normally compare with some of the better kickers in the NFL.

Inside of 50 yards, Crosby is 10 for 13 (76.9%) this (slump) year... but that doesn't seem too bad ether... only missed 3 inside of 50. But it does seem like Mike McCarthy tries more 50 yarder with Crosby than some other coaches do with their kickers.

Crosby Inside of 50
2012: 10 of 13 (76.9%)
2011: 22 of 25 (88%)
2010: 20 of 24 (83.3%)
2009: 25 of 30 (83.3%)
2008: 24 of 28 (85.7%)
2007: 28 of 34 (82.35%)
Average before 2012 (84.4%)
Crosby slump (-7.47%)

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#56 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:54:21 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Ryan Longwell's slump of 2001...

2000: 86.8%
2001: 64.5%
2002: 82.4%
2003: 88.5%

and Crosby is asked to attempt a lot more 50+ yard kicks compared to Longwell which bring Crosby average down. If you look inside of the 50 Crosby numbers (in non-slump years) normally compare with some of the better kickers in the NFL.




I think many of us stick with him because of the "eye-test" he doesn't look fucked up. I STILL like the mother-fucker.

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Offline Pack93z  
#57 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:07:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Its cool Pack93. Yeah, I'm just trying like crazy to find a similar slump to his, and coming up with very little, especially looking to those who have recovered with like slumps. I'm just not finding them. His seems a bit more severe than most when looking outside the normal swings from 85-65% ish.


I just gave you one with looking very hard.. Hanson late season slump of 2001.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#58 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:25:18 PM(UTC)
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I think many of us stick with him because of the "eye-test" ....




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#59 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:34:29 PM(UTC)
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lol... fuckin' Nick...

He's got a full 70 yarder in him, I really believe that.

Friggin' kickers, they'll drive ya.

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Offline schroeder84  
#60 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:30:10 PM(UTC)
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My son was a high level kicker (but now retired due to concussion) - scholarship worthy, and ya, those kickers heads do drive one up the wall. Sad but true - one where you need a strong head to go with the strong leg.

Mason can work out of this. His last kick was good, and even though he didn't look amused when Jennings was trying to jolly him up a bit, success on the last, and a win, will carry through. This season will be fine. Just my opinion of course, but I live with a kicker (or ex-kicker) and have an idea of the ebb and flow of kicker emotional life.
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#61 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:36:56 PM(UTC)
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We all stuck with Lord Favre through thick and thin, we can damn sure hang with Mason a little longer than most might.



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#62 Posted : Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:37:31 PM(UTC)
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#63 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:23:05 AM(UTC)
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#64 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:44:44 AM(UTC)
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Morten Andersen supports Mason Crosby and says he'll snap out of it soon.
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#65 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:56:22 PM(UTC)
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So Mike McCarthy starts off the Giants game by a confindence boosting 55 yard attempt. WTF???
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#66 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:22:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Go to Quoted Post
So Mike McCarthy starts off the Giants game by a confindence boosting 55 yard attempt. WTF???

If he hadn't ruined this kid before with the long attempts he did put the nail in the coffin tonight.


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#67 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:09:55 PM(UTC)
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If he hadn't ruined this kid before with the long attempts he did put the nail in the coffin tonight.




Well in McCarthy's defense, Crosby was kicking them from 55+ consistently during pregame.
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#68 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:25:20 PM(UTC)
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Well in McCarthy's defense, Crosby was kicking them from 55+ consistently during pregame.


In pregame, he doesn't kick with a holder.

I wonder if Masthay could be doing something to make the kicks so erratic? To upright, or leaned or something?

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#69 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2012 3:55:47 PM(UTC)
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#70 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:04:21 PM(UTC)
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didn't doubt that you did, just saying, you weren't alone.


Now I FINALLY want to fire Mason Crosby. Where are you on that?


Edit- I forgot about the whining about Crosby thread, sorry.
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#71 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:09:16 PM(UTC)
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Now I FINALLY want to fire Mason Crosby. Where are you on that?





Yeah, well you can wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which gets filled first.
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#72 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:13:29 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, well you can wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which gets filled first.



STFU and go dig up some more friggin' tar sands to improve your awsesome state's economy/brilliance or something.

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#73 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:15:55 PM(UTC)
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STFU and go dig up some more friggin' tar sands to improve your awsesome state's economy/brilliance or something.

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#74 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:25:19 PM(UTC)
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Tar sands, natural gas, oil, coal, pot ash, wind power: pick your poison bitch - we got it going on. Big Grin


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#75 Posted : Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:29:31 PM(UTC)
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getting back on topic, so who is available at this time of the year? Pack93z? I figure a middle aged 1 legged kicker could do just as well as Crosby is doing right now.
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