It's a similar rivalry, but the Giants aren't as good.

There was no Herschel Walker trade to artificially build this team.

Exactly. I don't like criticizing play calling, but you're right. The O-line is useless, so help'em out. All summer we hear about the 2.5 second clock they used, well if the plays take 2+ seconds to develop, what the hell is the point?!?

If there was even a hint of an attempt at adjusting the gameplan, I didn't see it. Green Bay's performance was despicable, despite their injuries to core players both on offense and defense.

The Packers have once again shown that they're a finesse team that functions best in domes.

And what the fuck was the gameplan anyway? Why was Rodgers forcing balls to Cobb? We have so many other players to use. Sure, the Giants were playing two deep the whole time, but that doesn't mean McCarthy can't call quick slants to guys like Jones and Nelson who excel when contact is thrown on them.

And what's up with all the Alex Green? Starks ran the ball like a horse last week, and he didn't see the ball until Harrell came in.

Ridiculous.

Got to agree. IMHO this game turned when Mike let Crosby try the 55yd FG. Instant flip of field position. Short field Giants score.

Turnover..short field Giants score

Turnover.... you all know the rest.

With the way the rest of the games turned out this weekend, Packers are no worse off.

They still control their own destiny, at least they won't be cruising into the playoffs this year thinking all they have to do is show up to win.

I'm not even gonna break this game down, no reason, total fail everywhere tonight.

Throw the tape away and move on, get ready for divisional games!!!

I think a big part of the problem in this game is the receivers being pressed. Of course there are ways to counter that, but they didn't happen this game and often don't. This has been the same recipe to beat up on the Packers for awhile now: get physical with the WRs on the line of scrimmage, pressure with 4 down linemen, and keep the safeties deep. Doing so mostly takes away the deep balls and pressing at the line mostly takes away the quick pass. Even if bunch formations or motion is used, that's only likely to free up one WR from the press on the line of scrimmage, and line backers or even tall defensive linemen batting the passes are tough to counter. Even if we completed more short passes, it wasn't going to get the Packers back in the game, and it's easy to lose patience in that situation, understandably. McCarthy has been trying to get the screen game going, it's just not working.

Quicker passes would help, but if the offensive line doesn't hold up better, they're not going to be very effective in the long run unless the Packers WRs get more physical. A combination of a much better running game, the threat of a screen game, and most importantly, better pass protection cumulatively would help, but most of those things are not likely to happen this season against great defenses. If the pass protection will hold up just a little longer, there are likely to be some open areas in the defenses to hit as the wide receivers fight through the press battle.

That should have been the script in both of our losses where we were completely crushed, SF and NYG, along with the first half against SEA. We were their bitches, because we did not force a sound rushing attack to wear down their extremely potent DLs.

McCarthy has to figure this out, and get his offense running a power running attack. He has to know it is the only way to control a premiere pass rush, and take the heat off his QB. Without that, we don't score, and our D wears down from all the 3 and outs.

A steady dose of BOTH Green and Starks would have made this a different game, and would have given us a chance to win. Our OL and our play calling simply were not up to the task.

I disagree - the first two plays out of the gates were runs if I'm not mistaken, and the Packers were still honoring the running game even down 28 points.

The issue is Rodgers was on the run and being hit within 2 seconds, yet so little of the playcalling was devoted to quick developing routes - slants, screens, etc. I thought the 30 yd pass to Kuhn was great - release FBs and TEs out of protection for quick passes and gains, but I can count on my hand how many times this was attempted last night.

This ultimately boils down to our OL getting completely manhandled, but so few adjustments were made to counter this.

We disagree greatly here. 22 carries for 82 yds is not what I consider an overt dedication to running the football. Lets be real here too, Starks got 8 of those carries, AFTER the damage was already done.

You want to keep Aaron on his feet with time to throw? Have your OL ready to pound the frickin ball at the Giants front 7, mercilessly. Have both of your backs ready to run in rotation.

Neither happened last night. This is the 3rd time we put up a FAIL against a top tier defensive front. All 3 times we lost because we did not do this: perform a power rushing assault.

We can do it, but we choose not to. Our OL is not prepared to run it, and our play callers fail to call it. It is the recipe for success against a formidable pass rush. Why keep doing something over and over again when it doesn't work?