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Offline play2win  
#1 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 8:16:28 AM(UTC)
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I think we are going to have to add a couple of players if we are going to right this, namely a NT and an OT. Any ideas?
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#2 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 8:24:03 AM(UTC)
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add a center to that list!
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#3 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 9:21:52 AM(UTC)
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This time of year I really doubt there is anyone available that is better than what we have.

Ted rolled the dice this year, letting Wells go(yes I know he is on IR but it made a difference), signing Saturday. then hoping none of the starters would get hurt.

Now The Packers are just going to have to make the best of what is there.

It's never as bad as it seems and it's never as good as it seems. O[line was dominated last night, but hell the whole team was pretty much dominated, Packers just rolled into New jersey at a really bad time.

The thing that stuck out to me the maost was McCarthey's play calling, seems as soon as The Giants took the 10 point lead he panicked and went into throw the ball at any cost mode.

Now is not the time to panic!!!! Packers still have their goals within sight.

Time to forget about this debacle and move foward.
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#4 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 9:43:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
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It's never as bad as it seems and it's never as good as it seems. O[line was dominated last night, but hell the whole team was pretty much dominated, Packers just rolled into New jersey at a really bad time.


Couldn't say it better than that.. it was a measuring stick type of game and this team has to readjust the sights.

Let's not forget, the defense got rolled right along with the Oline. The only comfort there is we have guys that are coming back to the defense.. the offensive line is what it is.

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The thing that stuck out to me the maost was McCarthey's play calling, seems as soon as The Giants took the 10 point lead he panicked and went into throw the ball at any cost mode.


Exactly.. when we stayed balanced early, we move the ball fine. The PA really opened up the Nelson throw.

The chain of events of a decision to try a 55 yard field goal, giving the field position early back to the Giants followed by a pick and a TD set in motion some panic within MM. There are not many teams that will block that defensive line in a pass only mode. It wasn't just the play calling.. it was spreading it out ahead of the play and yelling.. turn it loose to those Pass rush dogs in blue.


Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post

Now is not the time to panic!!!! Packers still have their goals within sight.

Time to forget about this debacle and move foward.


The offensive line is what it is, they struggle with speed rushers.. you have to pop those pricks int he mouth, soften them up and then start to pass on them.

But the Giants also jammed the Packers receivers aggressively.. and they struggled to get loose. Even Jones and Nelson struggled... the only guy that was consistently beating the jam was Finley.

We have work to do.. and this game shows just how much.

I think it will help set a sense of urgency to get the running game working better and then walking back in there and popping them square. We were running the ball pretty well prior to the above chain of events. 5 for 29, 5.8 Per carry. It propelled us to a TD and a FG attempt.

The next drive.. 3 pass attempts.. a sack, a QB scramble after pressure (although, it looked like a designed draw based on offensive line positioning down field, but the concept makes no sense), and a quick throw for 6 yards.

Panic move by MM.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#5 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 10:40:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
This time of year I really doubt there is anyone available that is better than what we have.

Ted rolled the dice this year, letting Wells go(yes I know he is on IR but it made a difference), signing Saturday. then hoping none of the starters would get hurt.

Now The Packers are just going to have to make the best of what is there.

It's never as bad as it seems and it's never as good as it seems. O[line was dominated last night, but hell the whole team was pretty much dominated, Packers just rolled into New jersey at a really bad time.

The thing that stuck out to me the maost was McCarthey's play calling, seems as soon as The Giants took the 10 point lead he panicked and went into throw the ball at any cost mode.

Now is not the time to panic!!!! Packers still have their goals within sight.

Time to forget about this debacle and move foward.


I agree with you buckeye. I do think we have some of the pieces on OL to move forward, and that the play calling/coaching is what really needs to improve. What concerns most from a personnel standpoint, is NT. Raji and Pickett need someone with some beef in there to rotate. Give those guys a reasonable break, and they are far more effective.

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#6 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 10:52:27 AM(UTC)
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I posted this a couple weeks ago.. best free agent OL.. ranked by Rotoworld.

I think if a guy like Jason Brown being in the top 10.. it speaks volumes about what is currently available.

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Offensive Linemen

1. Chad Clifton
2. Kareem McKenzie
3. Kyle Kosier
4. Tony Pashos
5. Brandon Keith
6. Montrae Holland
7. Artis Hicks
8. Jason Brown
9. Vince Manuwai
10. Jeff Otah
11. Reggie Wells
12. Mario Henderson
13. Kasey Studdard
14. Tony Moll
15. Stacy Andrews
16. Chris Kemoeatu
17. Andre Gurode
18. James Lee
19. Jamaal Jackson
20. Trai Essex
21. Adam Goldberg
22. Lydon Murtha
23. Daniel Loper
24. Anthony Herrera
25. Duke Robinson
26. Quinn Ojinnaka
27. Kirk Chambers
28. George Foster
29. Alex Barron
30. Josh Beekman



I don't think EDS being in there is hurting us.. I think our best combination available would be Newhouse-Lang-EDS-Sitton-?. But without having a option for ?.. we have what we have, Lang playing the edge and the coaching staff trying to assist both ends that struggle with speed. Speed on turf just magnifies the issue.. hence, why we need to play on grass. I will only help the oline with speed rushing teams.
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#7 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 11:46:33 AM(UTC)
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That list has Tony Moll listed six spots higher than Tony Essex, so yeah, I wouldn't go with that one.

But Buckeye's right. We do this every single year. One position on the team is struggling and we're calling for roster moves. Thing is, there's just no one out there right now. Once in a while you get lucky and you sign someone like Howard Green, who out of the blue contributes to your team, but that barely ever happens.

Whether you want to a good o-lineman, an OLB or a DT/DE, you're not just going to go and pick someone up right now.

If Ted could, why wouldn't he already have done just that?
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#8 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 12:26:51 PM(UTC)
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I would bring Clifton in and reshuffle the deck. Move Newhouse to the RT and Lang back to LG. I would do that today.
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#9 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 12:28:09 PM(UTC)
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I would bring Clifton in and reshuffle the deck. Move Newhouse to the RT and Lang back to LG. I would do that today.


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#10 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 12:42:50 PM(UTC)
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No, but if he passed a physical, I'd sign him. Man, I forgot my disclaimer!

This from Peter King:
"Prelude to a diss: In the last 52 weeks, the Packers have met the Giants three times. Green Bay has allowed 35, 37 and 38 points, and an average of 419 yards a game, and nine Eli Manning touchdown passes. Time for defensive coordinator Dom Capers to figure out a way to cover the Giants deep. Time for Charles Woodson and Clay Matthews to heal. Time for a shaky line to protect Aaron Rodgers. Time for GM Ted Thompson to find reinforcements for the line."

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Also, I might consider bringing Philip Merling back into the fold, depending on what happens with CJ Wilson.

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#11 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 1:19:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I posted this a couple weeks ago.. best free agent OL.. ranked by Rotoworld.

I think if a guy like Jason Brown being in the top 10.. it speaks volumes about what is currently available.

I don't think EDS being in there is hurting us.. I think our best combination available would be Newhouse-Lang-EDS-Sitton-?. But without having a option for ?.. we have what we have, Lang playing the edge and the coaching staff trying to assist both ends that struggle with speed. Speed on turf just magnifies the issue.. hence, why we need to play on grass. I will only help the oline with speed rushing teams.


I think the question is why hasn't any team signed C/G Jason Brown?... wasn't long ago some were calling him the best power run blocking Center in the NFL. Did he drop off that quickly? Personal problems? or what?...

Also are you saying you think EDS would be better at Center than Saturday?
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#12 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 1:44:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
I would bring Clifton in and reshuffle the deck. Move Newhouse to the RT and Lang back to LG. I would do that today.


Clifton was not, how to say. Good at the end. He was allowed to cheat to protect the outside rush, while Colledge and Lang were left help him with inside moves, and even bail him out when beat around the edge. because we had a C, who could hold his own.

Give cliffy the same role and amount of help as newhouse and Rodgers would be dead.
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#13 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 2:01:44 PM(UTC)
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I think we all know what we read as fans, and know what we've seen as fans. My bigger point was that I hope Ted searches out and finds another OT and another DE/NT to help share the load the rest of the way out.

PackFanWithTwins, yeah, I remember how Cliffy was playing towards the end of his career. He might still be able to add a good, veteran presence as OT depth on this team for the short term.

We don't really know what the deal is with WIlson, but I would like to have Pickett and Raji playing less in rotation with another player there. Keeping both of those guys fresh will be good for our pass rush, our run D, and good for our LBs.

Clifton and Merling, or any two the staff deems would be a plus could really help this team. Our D looked a little demoralized when Wilson went out.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:57:28 PM(UTC)
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Well, this will be posted at some point, guess I will be the one to do it.

Anyone think Ted might take a shot?

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Eagles | Release Jason Babin
Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:53:08 -0800

The Philadelphia Eagles released DE Jason Babin Tuesday, Nov. 27.



Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2DSk8Ko3k



NFL | Jason Babin waiver update
Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:44:23 -0800

Free-agent DE Jason Babin would still be owed $1.64 million left on his contract by any team that claimed him.



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#15 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:05:25 PM(UTC)
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Dude, I was just thinking the same thing!

My belief is that we made a huge mistake letting Cullen Jenkins go. His deal was not out of the realm for us to pay, and had we kept him, we may have won back to back SBs. I am convinced of that. Now, Babin is a different talent, at a different position, only slightly. He would fit our 3-4.

I just don't see Ted doing this, as it is a large sum to assume onto the cap (the remaining 3 years of non-guaranteed base of $16.6M). Even if it would bring us a SB win this year. A move like this might... and who knows, maybe they have other plans for Woodson's money next season...? The high dollar figure could dissuade other teams from signing him, allowing him to drop to us.

If I had the chance, I might sign him up. Another question, do they release Jenkins?

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