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buckeyepackfan  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:12:50 PM(UTC)
Don't hate the messenger!!!! LOL

I really don't know much about Babin, just saw the report on tv and figured this thread would be a good place to put the report.

His numbers are pretty impressive the last couple of years.

I'm just remembering a guy named Howard Green who Ted picked up in 2010, after being released by The Jets, without him down the stretch and in The Superbowl, things might have been different.

Forget which analyst it was, but in his report he said Babin would be comfortable in the 4-3 or 3-4 lineup.

Again I just put this out here for discusion, will be interesting if Ted takes a shot if he gets a chance.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:28:47 PM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Don't hate the messenger!!!! LOL

I really don't know much about Babin, just saw the report on tv and figured this thread would be a good place to put the report.

His numbers are pretty impressive the last couple of years.

I'm just remembering a guy named Howard Green who Ted picked up in 2010, after being released by The Jets, without him down the stretch and in The Superbowl, things might have been different.

Forget which analyst it was, but in his report he said Babin would be comfortable in the 4-3 or 3-4 lineup.

Again I just put this out here for discusion, will be interesting if Ted takes a shot if he gets a chance.


I don't hate you Buckeye - I very seldom ever agree with you, but I like you just fine.

If Babin clears waivers, we might take a look. There is no way we will be paying that contract though.
doddpower  
#23 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:29:29 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Wait.. we couldn't use a guy that between 2010 and 2011.. had 30.5 Sacks? We couldn't adjust the play book on passing downs to line him up with his hand down and have him let loose?

We sometimes are too stuck on conventions to not make room for a football player.

That said.. Babin has been nicked up all season and was making prime dollars. Waiver claim makes little sense.

But if he hits the open market and for the right $.. I am sure Dom could find a way to use a guy that has proven he can rush the passer.

5.5 Sacks is good for second on our team currently.. by 2.5 Sacks.

Yeah.. no reason to entertain that.


Yeah, Babin is clearly a better pass rusher than Walden, and probably Moses when healthy (at least for this season). As a result, line him up on passing downs and he's likely the Packers best pure pass rusher when CM3 is out. If unclaimed, it'd be nice to kick the tires, but no way it actually happens.

PackFanWithTwins  
#24 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:12:45 PM(UTC)
I don't see anybody for Oline that would be better than anybody we have.

Defensively, Babin could play a role for the right price. What is the status of Hargrove? We had him here for camp and let him go. He has to be eligible to play, either his suspension would be up, or not even started.
Wade  
#25 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:09:08 AM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
The Eagles suck. Yet they are letting this guy go. So why would he be a good pickup for the Packers?


Definitely the new nominee for "best avatar".

Wade  
#26 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:10:13 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Every time you post, I read them about ten times. Might have something to do with avatar though.


Only 10 times?

That avatar rocks!

Zero2Cool  
#27 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:14:10 AM(UTC)
Does Jason Babin want (or willing) to be OLB or DE in a 3 - 4? Has he cleared waivers? If he clears waivers, do you think he'd transition to the 3 - 4 better than Aaron Kampman?

I think the Patriots would probably try to pick him up. They don't seem to rely on scheme so much and more wisely use players to their strength. I don't think Dom Capers does this on defense as well as the Patriots.
Pack93z  
#28 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 2:53:03 PM(UTC)
Here is a bit of food for thought... Capers was in Houston when they traded up and drafted Babin. :-k


LOL... should have scanned PFTalk before posting.. they are reporting the Jags claimed Babin. Nugget pointless.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#29 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:01:13 PM(UTC)
http://profootballtalk.n...e-jason-babins-contract/


Guess we'll just have to go with what we have. When Matthews comes back, I'd like to see a little more of Moses opposite him instead of Walden.
nerdmann  
#30 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 3:54:54 PM(UTC)
Aaron Nagler's Twitter:

Quote:
Interesting. Told the Packers did not put a claim in but planned on kicking the tires on Babin had he cleared waivers.



Cheesey  
#31 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 5:02:27 PM(UTC)
At this point in the season, i don't see anyone out there that would be a great help. Picking off the "garbage heap" i don't believe would even be a quick fix right now.

They need to get on these guys and teach them NOT to get pushed around.

I'm just glad Rodgers hasn't been killed....yet.
Zero2Cool  
#32 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:42:04 AM(UTC)
1996 - Andre Rison
2010 - Howard Green
2012 - ...
DanJustDan29  
#33 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:50:25 AM(UTC)
It seems the guys we have are skilled enough, they just seem to lack enthusiasm and desire until it is presumed to be NEEDED. (TEXANS)
nerdmann  
#34 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:30:36 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
1996 - Andre Rison
2010 - Howard Green
2012 - ...


Grady Jackson fell out of the sky and saved our season that one year too. Was it 2003?
play2win  
#35 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:34:19 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
1996 - Andre Rison
2010 - Howard Green
2012 - ...


That's what I'm thinking... someone will be added here shortly. We could use the help.
play2win  
#36 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:42:18 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Cullen Jenkins LEFT! ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Jason Babin is not the answer to anything except a struggling salary cap lol


Call it what you want, but our front office posturing prior to the SB told Jenkins all he needed to know, that he was not in our plans for 2011. That, to me, was a huge blunder by Ted Thompson. Huge. Jenkins wound up signing with Philly for less than what many had expected, and would have been a great value for us, had we not removed the Welcome mat.

We have yet to fully recover from the loss of that one player. Solid veteran presence on our DL. Big, big, big mistake in my opinion.
Zero2Cool  
#37 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:05:49 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Call it what you want, but our front office posturing prior to the SB told Jenkins all he needed to know, that he was not in our plans for 2011. That, to me, was a huge blunder by Ted Thompson. Huge. Jenkins wound up signing with Philly for less than what many had expected, and would have been a great value for us, had we not removed the Welcome mat.

We have yet to fully recover from the loss of that one player. Solid veteran presence on our DL. Big, big, big mistake in my opinion.


The blunder would have been to overpay for talent that was going to be 30 and had some recent injury issues. Waiting for the market to establish was the intelligent thing to do. Unfortunately, Cullen Jenkins wanted big bucks BEFORE the market established his worth. Hindsight doesn't make any one look smart, just silly. This whole thing irritates me because people believe the twisted bull the media puts out there instead of the actual facts. Albeit, media did report the Packers were exceeding the Eagles offer, but does that get the attention? The headlines? No, because people don't give a damn about accuracy or facts. They want headlines, the quick, the easy, the negative!

So, in other words, your opinion I vehemently disagree with. Jenkins is an Eagle and in my opinion, people need to let it go, especially if they are going to ignore the facts of the situation.

As for failing to recover from a loss of one player, quit your search at Nick Collins. It really is a bummer people fail to recognize the talent and leadership he had and his importance to the team and instead bestow that credit to ... Cullen freaking Jenkins.
nerdmann  
#38 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:01:15 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
The blunder would have been to overpay for talent that was going to be 30 and had some recent injury issues. Waiting for the market to establish was the intelligent thing to do. Unfortunately, Cullen Jenkins wanted big bucks BEFORE the market established his worth. Hindsight doesn't make any one look smart, just silly. This whole thing irritates me because people believe the twisted bull the media puts out there instead of the actual facts. Albeit, media did report the Packers were exceeding the Eagles offer, but does that get the attention? The headlines? No, because people don't give a damn about accuracy or facts. They want headlines, the quick, the easy, the negative!

So, in other words, your opinion I vehemently disagree with. Jenkins is an Eagle and in my opinion, people need to let it go, especially if they are going to ignore the facts of the situation.

As for failing to recover from a loss of one player, quit your search at Nick Collins. It really is a bummer people fail to recognize the talent and leadership he had and his importance to the team and instead bestow that credit to ... Cullen freaking Jenkins.


Yes and perhaps the reason Jenkins wanted it BEFORE the market set his worth, is because he wanted to get more than the market would allow.

Keeping Jenkins would have been great, but Ted has a list of priorities. Who do you want to let go in order to keep Jenkins?
Cheesey  
#39 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:39:01 AM(UTC)
That's just it....you can't keep everyone.
It would have been great to keep Jenkins, and i think he's been missed more then the Packer brass would like to admit.
But hindsight is 20/20.
Nothing they can do about it now.
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#40 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 11:43:57 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Yes and perhaps the reason Jenkins wanted it BEFORE the market set his worth, is because he wanted to get more than the market would allow.

Keeping Jenkins would have been great, but Ted has a list of priorities. Who do you want to let go in order to keep Jenkins?


Opportunity cost is something the pundits of Ted never think about. Even in the beginning when he let Wahle and Rivera walk; nobody would ever listen to me that those two guy's fate was already decided the year before when Clifton was resigned. Sherman had done an incredibly horrible job with cap responsibility and drafting - Ted's only choice was to let that high price talent go and start the rebuild. The decision was probably the first in many that pissed of our demigod QB.

As for this coming year, I don't think we are in a great position of leverage with Greg Jennings. We've seen the offense without him and it is not even close to being as dynamic. We may be reluctant in giving him a huge contract, but it might be necessary - especially with Finley turning into a turd.
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