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nerdmann  
#21 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 5:51:25 PM(UTC)
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
Did anyone follow how much help Barclay did or didn't get?


They were helping him with Kuhn and Crabtree, but keep in mind. Dude didn't get starters reps this week, if any.

I think he's gonna be fine.
Zero2Cool  
#22 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 5:52:06 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
First, the flea flicker wasn't a terrible play call, just poorly executed. GJ as way behind the safeties, A Rod just underthrew him.

Also, I don't know that we should be giving game balls to Barclays yet. He completely whiffed on the starks TD and a few other occassions, and was spoty in pass coverage.

With that said, I was certainly intrigued by the potential displayed by a UFA rookie.


Aaron Rodgers said he ran out of arm on the throw.
68md  
#23 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 6:10:06 PM(UTC)
Barclay had help the whole game in pass protection and still got flagged for holding...granted he was solid considering the situation but game ball ? [-x

Burnett's first INT turned the game around ..... Queens never overcame it.

Porforis  
#24 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 6:11:08 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Burnett wanted this game more than any other player.


What, by being in the general vicinity of where Ponder's lobbing up freebies?

On a serious note, both very nice catches that I'd like to see being made 2/3 of the time that it seems nobody (but Hayward) has been catching this year. Good to see someone else getting in on the action.
Zero2Cool  
#25 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 6:15:46 PM(UTC)
68md said: Go to Quoted Post
Barclay had help the whole game in pass protection and still got flagged for holding...granted he was solid considering the situation but game ball ? [-x

Burnett's first INT turned the game around ..... Queens never overcame it.



Aaron Rodgers said he didn't have help in the 2nd half. I've lost some trust in Rodgers word, but I'm going to side with him on this one. It's a QB thing.
blueleopard  
#26 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 6:17:22 PM(UTC)
Starks should get more carries. Guys a whole lot more explosive than Green.
Rios39  
#27 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 6:24:41 PM(UTC)
I liked the balance between the 2 RB actually they both being something different. I seem a bit of help on the right side but it was on and off. It wasn't every play
nerdmann  
#28 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 6:45:57 PM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
Starks should get more carries. Guys a whole lot more explosive than Green.



Starks: 4.4

Green: 4.8
nerdmann  
#29 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 6:47:23 PM(UTC)
68md said: Go to Quoted Post
Barclay had help the whole game in pass protection and still got flagged for holding...granted he was solid considering the situation but game ball ? [-x

Burnett's first INT turned the game around ..... Queens never overcame it.



Barclay showed that the season isn't over without Lang. GAME BALL.

As for Burnett, the season may have turned on that first INT. Dude's been around INTs all season, but hasn't been hanging onto them.
wpr  
#30 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 7:25:26 PM(UTC)
68md said: Go to Quoted Post
Barclay had help the whole game in pass protection and still got flagged for holding...granted he was solid considering the situation but game ball ? [-x

Burnett's first INT turned the game around ..... Queens never overcame it.



I concur. Barclay had a decent game but he did have help on frequent plays. The holding penalty was half on AR. Barclay had to do something when Rodgers ran past both of them.
And a whiff is a whiff. It doesn't matter that it worked out well and Starks got the TD. It was no thanks to Barclay. It is similar to a db who is out of position and makes gets a pick because the pass in off target and the receiver tips it.
nerdmann  
#31 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 7:56:52 PM(UTC)
JSO

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Against a dangerous Vikings front four, Barclay held his own. Both Rodgers and McCarthy said that the offense didn't need to do anything differently in the second half with the undrafted rookie in the game. McCarthy said he didn't need to dull down his playcalling.

"There’s no surprise for me to see him play, especially as physical," McCarthy said. "He’s a physical guy, he’s a tough guy. He’s what you’re looking for as far as your right tackle, as far as your attitude and he gave us a chance to just keep playing today, and that’s all you ever ask for out of a young rookie when he comes in."


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Barclay did get some occasional help from a back or tight end and managed to keep Brian Robison (two tackles, no sacks) at bay. In the run game, Barclay swung wide and cut off outside linebacker Erin Henderson on James Starks' 22-yard touchdown run.


doddpower  
#32 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:35:30 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I concur. Barclay had a decent game but he did have help on frequent plays. The holding penalty was half on AR. Barclay had to do something when Rodgers ran past both of them.
And a whiff is a whiff. It doesn't matter that it worked out well and Starks got the TD. It was no thanks to Barclay. It is similar to a db who is out of position and makes gets a pick because the pass in off target and the receiver tips it.


I disagree on the whiff. Had Barclay not been there, there's not way the defender shoots inside like that. Yes, it probably didn't matter if it had been Barclay or anyone else, but the fact of the matter is that the presence of Barclay made the defender make a decision, and it was one that benefited the Packers. The end kind of justifies the means here. If the defender made the right cut and blew up the play, it'd be a different story, but he didn't. Barclay didn't actually block him, but that guy didn't make the play, so the end result is the same. That one play doesn't concern me at all. It's easy to miss quicker defenders in space. Sometimes it's best to just get in the way or be in the right place and the right time, and in this case, Barclay was.

The main concern should still be his pass protection, as it wasn't great. His run blocking was pretty good. I thought his pass blocking was no worse than Lang's at RT, and perhaps a little better. That's a good thing. Perhaps Lang can move back inside, and then we can give the right side help most of the time, and as a result, perhaps the entire line would be better. Time will tell. I thought Lang was pretty bad at RT, honestly.
DarkaneRules  
#33 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:49:43 PM(UTC)
We still looked look below average overall on the line but when he came into the game it looked more physical on that side. That was nice to see. Rodgers was under seize.
porky88  
#34 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:09:07 PM(UTC)
Barclay definitely received help from John Kuhn and Jermichael Finley, despite what they‘re suggesting. I don't care what players or coaches say in public. It's like politicians. They're just trying to get through the question. In this case, Rodgers is boosting morale.

With the said, I do believe the best solution is keeping Barclay at right tackle and moving T.J. Lang (if he's healthy) back to guard. EDS gets no push and Lang is more physical inside than outside. I think the lack of physicality is the problem. I want the most physical players out there, whether they're experienced or not. Barclay > EDS in that regard.

Regarding Burnett, he‘s a benefactor from Christian Ponder‘s incompetence. I wouldn’t reward him a game ball either. I’d give them to Ponder actually. He was the difference in the game. A quality quarterback doesn’t throw the first one and completes the second one. I wasn’t encouraged by Burnett’s play against the run. Aikman pointed it out on the telecast, but I think Adrian Peterson flat out overwhelmed him.
doddpower  
#35 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:16:57 PM(UTC)
Who cares if they helped him? I often wonder why the Packers don't give their tackles more help. They need to do whatever it takes to give Rodgers some time. If all it takes to be mildly successful is Barclay starting with some help, than so be it. If Lang can come back to LG, than they should be able to give even more help on the right side. That's all about good coaching to me. There's always going to be a weakness. Do what it takes to cover up that weakness, especially when it's protecting the franchise in Aaron Rodgers.
nerdmann  
#36 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 1:36:15 AM(UTC)
Madison

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Don Barclay, an undrafted rookie free agent who had played one snap on offense, replaced Lang and more than held his own after a rocky start. Packers coach Mike McCarthy gave Barclay some blocking help early, then decided he didn’t need it. Barclay must have been doing something right because the Packers rushed for 152 yards, their second-highest total this season.
Zero2Cool  
#37 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 5:36:28 AM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
I wasn’t encouraged by Burnett’s play against the run. Aikman pointed it out on the telecast, but I think Adrian Peterson flat out overwhelmed him.


That holds as much as weight as knocking someone for getting their jock juked by Barry Sanders. Far more in the league have that happen than not.
zombieslayer  
#38 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 7:01:37 AM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
Barclay definitely received help from John Kuhn and Jermichael Finley, despite what they‘re suggesting. I don't care what players or coaches say in public. It's like politicians. They're just trying to get through the question. In this case, Rodgers is boosting morale.

With the said, I do believe the best solution is keeping Barclay at right tackle and moving T.J. Lang (if he's healthy) back to guard. EDS gets no push and Lang is more physical inside than outside. I think the lack of physicality is the problem. I want the most physical players out there, whether they're experienced or not. Barclay > EDS in that regard.

Regarding Burnett, he‘s a benefactor from Christian Ponder‘s incompetence. I wouldn’t reward him a game ball either. I’d give them to Ponder actually. He was the difference in the game. A quality quarterback doesn’t throw the first one and completes the second one. I wasn’t encouraged by Burnett’s play against the run. Aikman pointed it out on the telecast, but I think Adrian Peterson flat out overwhelmed him.


Yes. Thank you Christian Ponder. May the Vikings keep Christian Ponder as their starting QB for the next ten years. [grin1]
wpr  
#39 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 7:03:12 AM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
I disagree on the whiff. Had Barclay not been there, there's not way the defender shoots inside like that. Yes, it probably didn't matter if it had been Barclay or anyone else, but the fact of the matter is that the presence of Barclay made the defender make a decision, and it was one that benefited the Packers. The end kind of justifies the means here. If the defender made the right cut and blew up the play, it'd be a different story, but he didn't. Barclay didn't actually block him, but that guy didn't make the play, so the end result is the same. That one play doesn't concern me at all. It's easy to miss quicker defenders in space. Sometimes it's best to just get in the way or be in the right place and the right time, and in this case, Barclay was.

The main concern should still be his pass protection, as it wasn't great. His run blocking was pretty good. I thought his pass blocking was no worse than Lang's at RT, and perhaps a little better. That's a good thing. Perhaps Lang can move back inside, and then we can give the right side help most of the time, and as a result, perhaps the entire line would be better. Time will tell. I thought Lang was pretty bad at RT, honestly.


That makes no sense. Being the RT he has to be SOMEWHERE. Just being there doesn't count for anything. He has to do something. Just because the defender had a 50-50 chance and chose wrong is not a credit to Barclay.

I am happy with the end result but there is no attaboy for Barclay for simply standing there then trying to engage the defender but missing him completely as the play unfolded.
musccy  
#40 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 7:32:37 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
That makes no sense. Being the RT he has to be SOMEWHERE. Just being there doesn't count for anything. He has to do something. Just because the defender had a 50-50 chance and chose wrong is not a credit to Barclay.

I am happy with the end result but there is no attaboy for Barclay for simply standing there then trying to engage the defender but missing him completely as the play unfolded.


Exactly, Aikman was trying to give him credit, but he basically "pulled a Homer."

Considering the circumstances, I thought he did a decent job and he showed some reasons to be optomistic about him on the right end especially in the run game, but his play was still far from "game ball worthy."
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