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Offline porky88  
#16 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 9:55:18 PM(UTC)

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I wouldn't hesitate to draft Stepfan Taylor, Jonathan Franklin, or Monte Ball if I had an opportunity. They can't seem to run left. They're below average up the middle and pretty darn competent running right, but nothing happens on the left.

My solution is to tweak the blocking scheme, upgrade left tackle & center, and draft a bell cow.
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#17 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 7:28:49 AM(UTC)

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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Hell, I know when we are running just by the substitutions. And I'm positive D-cordinators around the league are smarter than I am.


I don't really mind, that the defense knows we are going to run as much as how easy it is for them to determine where the run is. We have no misdirection or counters in the run game. Line starts right, the run is right, line moves left the run is left.

It seems, for the run game to have success, the defense needs to make a mistake, rather than our offense dictating our success. LBers have to overpursue and lose their lane assignments and dline needs to fail in keeping spacing. Good run games, have success when the defense does everything right.
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#18 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 12:27:39 PM(UTC)

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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
lol


I think its a OL coaching problem with play calling problem.


yep! That's it in a nutshell...

When we run the football, and I mean giving it to our RBs 25-30 attempts per game, we generally win... and amazingly, our OL looks good.

When we fail to run, and I mean less than 20 attempts per game by our RBs, we generally lose... and amazingly, our OL looks like garbage.

I like to win. Run the freaking football. If Mike McCarthy stays with a solid running game, and calls for more runs, we should see some really big breakaway runs here in the near future. We are due.
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Offline Rios39  
#19 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 12:51:28 PM(UTC)

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As nice as the win and the running game goes I was happy but the offensive passing game did not look that good. I still don't know how they aren't picking defenses apart underneath more consistently since they are giving us short with those 2 deep safeties. We should be able to have a run game plus a short pass game based on the defensive looks we get.

You'd think Finley and Cobb could really make teams need to come down with respect more but the majority of the time on routes, even Cobb is running straight down the middle, almost clearing the voids and running into the deep secondary. Finley even isn't running the routes you'd expect a TE vs a cover 2. He's running vertical as well or running vertical 20 yards down the field before breaking off and making a cut, where he does get open. This has to fall on game plan and coaching. Most of Rodgers passing plays he's had to buy time and roll off. There really should be no need of that if we had more short routes on going, this NEEDS to be improved before the playoffs. I watch a lot of Patriots games and while they do go deep a lot their TE's and Welker really work teams over underneath.

A reason why Rodgers has so many sacks too, ball should be coming out like yesterday but after looking at some of the routes being run out there I see why it's not coming out OR he's needing to buy more time.
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Offline nerdmann  
#20 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 1:23:36 PM(UTC)

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Rios39 said: Go to Quoted Post
As nice as the win and the running game goes I was happy but the offensive passing game did not look that good. I still don't know how they aren't picking defenses apart underneath more consistently since they are giving us short with those 2 deep safeties. We should be able to have a run game plus a short pass game based on the defensive looks we get.

You'd think Finley and Cobb could really make teams need to come down with respect more but the majority of the time on routes, even Cobb is running straight down the middle, almost clearing the voids and running into the deep secondary. Finley even isn't running the routes you'd expect a TE vs a cover 2. He's running vertical as well or running vertical 20 yards down the field before breaking off and making a cut, where he does get open. This has to fall on game plan and coaching. Most of Rodgers passing plays he's had to buy time and roll off. There really should be no need of that if we had more short routes on going, this NEEDS to be improved before the playoffs. I watch a lot of Patriots games and while they do go deep a lot their TE's and Welker really work teams over underneath.

A reason why Rodgers has so many sacks too, ball should be coming out like yesterday but after looking at some of the routes being run out there I see why it's not coming out OR he's needing to buy more time.


Aaron Rodgers is a stat whore who cares more about surpassing Brent's records than he does about winning.

He will repeatedly pass up wide open WRs on shorter routes to throw deep, even if the WR is covered, hoping the dude will go up and make a play on the ball, like JJ did in the end zone yesterday.

There were multiple opportunities yesterday for Aaron to either take two steps to easily get the first down, or to dump the ball off to a wide open guy short for an easy first down, but NO. Aaron would rather chuck it deep on a low percentage play and kill the drive.

All because he wants to surpass Favray's records, while probably not being able to play as many years.
Mike McCarthy is guilty of it too. They both are taking far to personal of an approach to the situation. This is why Mike McCarthy constantly abandons the run and REFUSES to run an efficient, high percentage passing offense instead of this ludicrous "chuck and duck" run and shoot style of offense, even when he can't protect his QB.
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#21 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 1:33:28 PM(UTC)

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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers is a stat whore who cares more about surpassing Brent's records than he does about winning.

He will repeatedly pass up wide open WRs on shorter routes to throw deep, even if the WR is covered, hoping the dude will go up and make a play on the ball, like JJ did in the end zone yesterday.

There were multiple opportunities yesterday for Aaron to either take two steps to easily get the first down, or to dump the ball off to a wide open guy short for an easy first down, but NO. Aaron would rather chuck it deep on a low percentage play and kill the drive.

All because he wants to surpass Favray's records, while probably not being able to play as many years.

Mike McCarthy is guilty of it too. They both are taking far to personal of an approach to the situation. This is why Mike McCarthy constantly abandons the run and REFUSES to run an efficient, high percentage passing offense instead of this ludicrous "chuck and duck" run and shoot style of offense, even when he can't protect his QB.


While in the meantime fucking up some of his stats?
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#22 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 1:53:15 PM(UTC)

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Until Mccarthy and Rodgers figure that out, we won't be going anywhere near the superbowl.
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#23 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 6:16:13 PM(UTC)

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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers is a stat whore who cares more about surpassing Brent's records than he does about winning.

He will repeatedly pass up wide open WRs on shorter routes to throw deep, even if the WR is covered, hoping the dude will go up and make a play on the ball, like JJ did in the end zone yesterday.

There were multiple opportunities yesterday for Aaron to either take two steps to easily get the first down, or to dump the ball off to a wide open guy short for an easy first down, but NO. Aaron would rather chuck it deep on a low percentage play and kill the drive.

All because he wants to surpass Favre's records, while probably not being able to play as many years.

Mike McCarthy is guilty of it too. They both are taking far to personal of an approach to the situation. This is why Mike McCarthy constantly abandons the run and REFUSES to run an efficient, high percentage passing offense instead of this ludicrous "chuck and duck" run and shoot style of offense, even when he can't protect his QB.


Do you read what you write? If so, do you think to yourself 'what is this dude smoking' like the rest of us lol

I mean, really, READ what you said there. Please, you have to see the massive contradiction there lol ](*,)
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#24 Posted : Monday, December 3, 2012 7:05:51 PM(UTC)

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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Do you read what you write? If so, do you think to yourself 'what is this dude smoking' like the rest of us lol

I mean, really, READ what you said there. Please, you have to see the massive contradiction there lol ](*,)


I thought that post was one of the stupidest things I have read here in sometime, outside of most of the political post. I mean . . . just . . . really??
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, December 4, 2012 9:39:30 AM(UTC)

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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers is a stat whore who cares more about surpassing Brent's records than he does about winning.

He will repeatedly pass up wide open WRs on shorter routes to throw deep, even if the WR is covered, hoping the dude will go up and make a play on the ball, like JJ did in the end zone yesterday.

There were multiple opportunities yesterday for Aaron to either take two steps to easily get the first down, or to dump the ball off to a wide open guy short for an easy first down, but NO. Aaron would rather chuck it deep on a low percentage play and kill the drive.

All because he wants to surpass Favray's records, while probably not being able to play as many years.

Mike McCarthy is guilty of it too. They both are taking far to personal of an approach to the situation. This is why Mike McCarthy constantly abandons the run and REFUSES to run an efficient, high percentage passing offense instead of this ludicrous "chuck and duck" run and shoot style of offense, even when he can't protect his QB.


Yikes man....yikes.
I hope you were truly being sarcastic. It is difficult to tell...

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