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Offline beast  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, December 4, 2012 8:27:35 PM(UTC)
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The offense as a whole hasn't seemed to gone as smoothly... but it's not just losing Philbin...

The Packers have been missing a lot of guys because of FA or injuries thought out the year... the list includes

Wells (FA)
Grant (not resigned)
Bulaga (injury)
Jennings (Missed time due to injuries)
Finley (disappeared for the first part of the season but might be coming back)
Nelson (Missed a little bit of time due to injuries)
Starks (injured/bang up early in the season, seems to start to get rolling again)


Long story short... it's not one guy... I think missing Wells and Bulaga (which one could argue were the Packers best two OL last year) is a HUGE blow... also missing you #1 WR hurts... and while this team has a LOT of depth at WR... I think Jennings is the only clear cut #1 WR we have. Nelson looks that way at times, but I don't think he's the complete package (at least not yet).
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:51:46 AM(UTC)
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Philbin should be a good coach, but while in Green Bay he provided too many damn off field distractions. If his kid wasn't getting drunk and killing himself, he was raping people.

We'll be fine.

Arodge just needs to learn to take the checkdown once in awhile. GET THE FIRST DOWN.


Wow. You're going to have to own your words here. Bad stuff. Asinine.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 6:58:55 AM(UTC)
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On the other comments I've read here, there are a lot of good ones that together bring it all home. So many factors have gone into our lesser production on O. I do think Rodgers, himself, misses working with Philbin on some level. But, for the most part, injuries, FA losses, and defenses having an entire year to figure us out together bring our numbers down. This has way less to do with Philbin IMO.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 7:04:02 AM(UTC)
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Mike and Philbin did work well together. There has to be a bit of a learning curve with Mike and Clements.

I don't mind Philbin getting his chance as a HC but in the long run I think he is a better OC than HC.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:02:44 AM(UTC)
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We can claim injuries, etc. But in week 3, against the Seahawks, Mike McCarthy forgot to run the ball for 30 minutes. Line was intact. Benson was healthy. Not until halftime was an adjustment made.
Week 5 against Indy was another shaky half. Yes, Benson got hurt. But the line was still intact. And you have an 18 point lead. As Sandra Bullock said in the 'Blindside', "Run the dang ball"! Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers passed the majority of the second half and the end result was...
Giants game was a disaster. But again, Mike McCarthy fell on the sword and criticized his playcalling. Injuries had become an issue by then, but, what has caused Mike McCarthy to forget to run?
So, if Philbin was here, would he be the one in MM's ear reminding him to run? Then again, I guess we don't know that Aaron Rodgers isn't changing the play from run to pass. So maybe it's AR's fault.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:49:53 AM(UTC)
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The numbers don't agree. Here is the percentages we have run the ball.

06 - 40%, 07 - 40%, 08 - 44%, 09 - 44%, 10 - 43%, 11 - 41%.

As of current, this year we have run the ball 43% so we are pretty close to normal. For the number of plays run, 3% comes out <2 runs per game.

I don't think the problem is how often we run, more when those runs happen, and which runs are called.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:56:20 PM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
The numbers don't agree. Here is the percentages we have run the ball.

06 - 40%, 07 - 40%, 08 - 44%, 09 - 44%, 10 - 43%, 11 - 41%.

As of current, this year we have run the ball 43% so we are pretty close to normal. For the number of plays run, 3% comes out <2 runs per game.

I don't think the problem is how often we run, more when those runs happen, and which runs are called.


I have no doubt and no desire to question your numbers. But let's look at the games we have lost. In 3 of the 4 games, we went significant periods of time with essentially no attempts to run the ball. After each of those games, Mike McCarthy criticized his playcalling for the lack of balance.

Stats can be used to justify many things. During the Giants game, GB had 23 designed runs. Pretty good, especially when you consider there were 28 designed pass plays. Stats show good balance. But the truth is 7 of those runs occured in the last couple minutes of the game when Aaron Rodgers was already on the bench. There was a series in the second half when Aaron Rodgers attempted a pass 8 out of 9 plays. But the end of game stats look good, right?
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 1:04:46 PM(UTC)
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I have no doubt and no desire to question your numbers. But let's look at the games we have lost. In 3 of the 4 games, we went significant periods of time with essentially no attempts to run the ball. After each of those games, Mike McCarthy criticized his playcalling for the lack of balance.

Stats can be used to justify many things. During the Giants game, GB had 23 designed runs. Pretty good, especially when you consider there were 28 designed pass plays. Stats show good balance. But the truth is 7 of those runs occured in the last couple minutes of the game when Aaron Rodgers was already on the bench. There was a series in the second half when Aaron Rodgers attempted a pass 8 out of 9 plays. But the end of game stats look good, right?


Not to long ago on here.. I compiled the numbers during Rodgers tenure.. we won like 80% of our games in which we ran 20+ times with the backs vs like ~ 42 % when we don't. With only a ~ +/- 2% increase in 4th quarter carries.

Attached is through week 6 of this season.

The basis was to show the impact on other facets of the game.. I did not expect that much of a variance in win % compared to the number of carries. YPC didn't have much of an impact.. and the # of Pass Attempts in relationship didn't change much. 1.5 more pass attempts on average for the games in which the backs didn't carry it 20 times.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:14:13 AM(UTC)
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For the life of me I cannot remember where I read this, but earlier in the season when there was noise about practices lacking and the scout team not providing a solid look there was an interesting story posted. Apparently Philbin took the role of coaching the scout team every day. I am sure someone has filled that role, but with anything there is an adjustment period.

Personally I do think Philbin is missed more then we ever imagined he would be. That is also not an excuse for the way the team has played this year. But having to adjust to his absence is certainly a part of the equation!
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