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Offline Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 7:41:03 AM(UTC)
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Vilified last year.. savior this season.


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According to Jason Wilde of ESPNMilwaukee.com, the Packers have agreed to a deal with running back Ryan Grant, who will sign today. The source on this one is solid — Grant himself.


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The #Packers and @RyanGrant25 have agreed to terms and the running back will sign with his old team this morning, per Grant.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 7:46:40 AM(UTC)
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Love Grant

Not thrilled that we're so injured we're forced to call on him however...
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:40:20 AM(UTC)
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I am so happy to have grant back, pretty upset we lost starks tho.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:43:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Vilified last year.. savior this season.


Let's not call him a savior until he's actually done something this year, m'kay? I'm not saying he's going to suck or anything, I'm just cautious considering nobody's signed him until now. But it's nice to have a little more depth that's had NFL experience, as well as experience in our scheme.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:45:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Let's not call him a savior until he's actually done something this year, m'kay? I'm not saying he's going to suck or anything, I'm just cautious considering nobody's signed him until now. But it's nice to have a little more depth that's had NFL experience, as well as experience in our scheme.


Oh.. it is not that I think he is the answer to our issues or that he is going to ignite the offense.

But instead, those that repeatedly stated he sucked will now be excited to add him to the roster.

Grant has been a solid back for us.. knows the offense.. it is a logical fit and there should be little doubt that he will provide some relief.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:51:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Oh.. it is not that I think he is the answer to our issues or that he is going to ignite the offense.

But instead, those that repeatedly stated he sucked will now be excited to add him to the roster.

Grant has been a solid back for us.. knows the offense.. it is a logical fit and there should be little doubt that he will provide some relief.


I've never said he's sucked, I just always wished we had someone slightly better. I guess my concern at this point is if he's still in tiptop football shape, mentally and physically. If we get the old Grant back or something pretty close to it, it will be a huge boost. Although I'd still rather have Cedric Benson (unless his old fumblitis comes back).
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:53:52 AM(UTC)
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We need a body that can come in if needed.

Grant was much the same as Starks and Green. If the line blocked well, he was good. when the line doesn't do their job, he sucked.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:02:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
I've never said he's sucked, I just always wished we had someone slightly better. I guess my concern at this point is if he's still in tiptop football shape, mentally and physically. If we get the old Grant back or something pretty close to it, it will be a huge boost. Although I'd still rather have Cedric Benson (unless his old fumblitis comes back).


Not pointing the finger in any direction specifically.. but it was and always will be the next guy in line in the better choice.

I yearly hope we draft a blue chip type back that can support the elite passing game we have and help close out games. I supported Benson being added as he, IMO, is a better fit for our offense than Grant. But that doesn't mean Grant was garbage either.

Chat.. threads.. it was filled with "he runs into the the backs of the lineman" or "can't break a tackle". Those same quotes now will be to give him time over Green.. feature him. Etc.

Basically.. Grant is a known commodity to the Packers and will be a steady back that can be utilized quickly and provides an ready option. Nothing more can be expected. Anything more is a gift..

But that won't stop some from elevating their expectations only to be disappointed and start clamoring for the next guy. The calls for Harris or White will start after a couple of carries. We seen it earlier this season.. we see it every season.

Like those that could find no flaw in Rodgers last season only to call him a stat whore this season. Even thought the guy is still playing the position at levels few ever obtain and does everything he can to propel this team to victory with a torrid pass rush weekly chasing him down.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:37:05 AM(UTC)
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seems like a reasonable move. Grant knows the system. Aaron Rodgers and coaches know what he can do. He always seemed to pick it up in December.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:58:55 AM(UTC)
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There are still options on the team better than Grant. Green will get the majority of the running attempts, next Kuhn, and throw in a few gadget plays to Cobb. After that, we might see a little of Grant. I doubt we'll see much of him this week, and why would we run against the Lions when there is a porous secondary to exploit?

Wait a minute, just checked the weather - 60% chance of snow for Sunday in Green Bay and it's a night game. This has the makings of a slobbernocker. I don't have good feelings about this one, but I didn't feel good going into last week's game either.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:19:55 AM(UTC)
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I'm assuming he's not in game shape, but we shouldn't need him much against Detoilet anyway. And IIRC, he's a good mudder - and 3 of our last 4 games are outdoors in the North. I approve.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:20:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
There are still options on the team better than Grant. Green will get the majority of the running attempts, next Kuhn, and throw in a few gadget plays to Cobb. After that, we might see a little of Grant. I doubt we'll see much of him this week, and why would we run against the Lions when there is a porous secondary to exploit?

Wait a minute, just checked the weather - 60% chance of snow for Sunday in Green Bay and it's a night game. This has the makings of a slobbernocker. I don't have good feelings about this one, but I didn't feel good going into last week's game either.


So then, we're good!

I like this signing. Makes perfect sense given the circumstances. I could care less about what others may have said about him previously. That's history, under different circumstances than the ones that present today. All I know, is we will be seeing a highly motivated Ryan Grant, whenever he might take the field. This looks to be a good signing at the right time. If and when he is called upon to contribute, I have few doubts that he will make the most of his opportunities.

Grant was probably the very best option for signing week 14, and I'm glad he was available, and that Ted got it done.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 10:44:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
There are still options on the team better than Grant. Green will get the majority of the running attempts, next Kuhn, and throw in a few gadget plays to Cobb. After that, we might see a little of Grant. I doubt we'll see much of him this week, and why would we run against the Lions when there is a porous secondary to exploit?

Wait a minute, just checked the weather - 60% chance of snow for Sunday in Green Bay and it's a night game. This has the makings of a slobbernocker. I don't have good feelings about this one, but I didn't feel good going into last week's game either.


no doubt he will be lower on the depth chart. probably tech #2 behind Green but in reality he Kuhn and to a small degree Cobb will share the extra carries.
I figure he may get 1-3 this week if he is activated.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 11:36:57 AM(UTC)
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Grant normally is able to get a couple of long runs on the Bears some how... something the Packers very well might need if the OL has trouble with the Bears DEs. And they already struggled some against the Lions DL once... (3 sacks, lots of pressure and slight less than 3 yards average for the RB)

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 11:44:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
There are still options on the team better than Grant. Green will get the majority of the running attempts, next Kuhn, and throw in a few gadget plays to Cobb. After that, we might see a little of Grant. I doubt we'll see much of him this week, and why would we run against the Lions when there is a porous secondary to exploit?

Wait a minute, just checked the weather - 60% chance of snow for Sunday in Green Bay and it's a night game. This has the makings of a slobbernocker. I don't have good feelings about this one, but I didn't feel good going into last week's game either.


I still like Kuhn as a blocker and as a pure Packers Person, but it seems he's been completely ineffective at running the ball.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 11:52:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
I still like Kuhn as a blocker and as a pure Packers Person, but it seems he's been completely ineffective at running the ball.


I hate that quick handoff to him for nothing... He is a lead blocker, and can catch in the flat after a chip. All good in FB role, but not a feature back.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:02:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
I still like Kuhn as a blocker and as a pure Packers Person, but it seems he's been completely ineffective at running the ball.


That's not Kuhn... that's division rivals knowing McCarthy's tricks...

Kuhn is averaging 4.2 yards per carry against non-divisional rivals.
Kuhn is averaging less than 1.15 yards per carry against divisional rivals.

The division knows on short yardage downs Mike McCarthy likes trying to sneak it up the middle with Kuhn.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:36:20 PM(UTC)
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IIRC,

Grant usually got better once the weather turned to crap.

maybe he can run like 07'. I assume he knows RBs are disposable after 30 nowadays, and will be running hard to see if he can't get one more contract.


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#19 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 12:41:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Not pointing the finger in any direction specifically.. but it was and always will be the next guy in line in the better choice.

I yearly hope we draft a blue chip type back that can support the elite passing game we have and help close out games. I supported Benson being added as he, IMO, is a better fit for our offense than Grant. But that doesn't mean Grant was garbage either.

Chat.. threads.. it was filled with "he runs into the the backs of the lineman" or "can't break a tackle". Those same quotes now will be to give him time over Green.. feature him. Etc.

Basically.. Grant is a known commodity to the Packers and will be a steady back that can be utilized quickly and provides an ready option. Nothing more can be expected. Anything more is a gift..

But that won't stop some from elevating their expectations only to be disappointed and start clamoring for the next guy. The calls for Harris or White will start after a couple of carries. We seen it earlier this season.. we see it every season.

Like those that could find no flaw in Rodgers last season only to call him a stat whore this season. Even thought the guy is still playing the position at levels few ever obtain and does everything he can to propel this team to victory with a torrid pass rush weekly chasing him down.


This is a perfect situation for Grant.

I like Starks and Benson over Grant, but damn. It sure is nice to have Grant available as depth when we need him in this situation. Dude isn't Ahman Green, but he can play.

He will also have extra motivation in this situation, as well as fresh legs from not taking a beating all year except for maybe a couple games with the Skins. Green is a player who always got stronger as the season wore on anyway. He might be a little older now, but he's also fresher.

As for a blue chip RB, I don't think Ted goes there. Not with the NFL in it's current "arena league" passing phase. But I'll tell you what. With Green and Starks, if we can get some healthy OL in front of them, they'll start breaking long runs. MARK IT DOWN.

Love this signing.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 3:18:44 PM(UTC)
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Chris Mortenson just reported on ESPN he had just talked with RG last week wondering if any team had called him due to injuries, Ryan told Mort he was at the time heading to the gym to workout so he would be ready if anyone called.

That's not football shape, but considering he went through a training camp and was on the Redskins roster early in the season it shouldn't take him long to be ready.

Mortenson also reported that Ryan Grant received a standing ovation from all the players when he reported today for practice.

Grant was and is again an experienced vet younger guys look up to.

With the reports saying James Starks may be lost for the season, Ryan Grant could once again become a very important part of the running game in Green Bay.

Let's hope there is just enough left in the tank for RG to make a difference.

4 regular season games left, 4 playoff games, I'm guessing 10-15 touches a game, that's only 80 min to 120 max for the rest of the season, IMHO Ryan Grant will show he can handle that load.

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#21 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 5:44:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post


4 regular season games left, 4 playoff games, I'm guessing 10-15 touches a game, that's only 80 min to 120 max for the rest of the season, IMHO Ryan Grant will show he can handle that load.



Change the bong water Buckeye, if Grant gets 5 touches a game, I'll be surprised.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 7:28:58 PM(UTC)
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I'm glad they signed Grant, but I'm also tempering that with some realistic expectations:

Grant was cut by the Redskins to sign Keiland Williams, who had himself been cut by the Detroit Lions. Williams had all of 3 yards on 2 carries for the Lions. That the Redskins valued Williams over Grant says quite a lot. It appears Grant didn't regain his old form after his injury last year. Rotoworld says this:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3252/player

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Last season, Grant played in 15 games for the Packers, averaging 8.9 carries for 37.2 yards and rushing for two touchdowns. But thanks to a striking decline in burst, he was never a real option to re-sign in free agency. Even after Cedric Benson initially went down with his foot injury earlier this year, the Packers let Grant languish on the street. But now that Benson is officially done for the season and James Starks (knee) will soon be joining him, desperation has struck. Look for Grant, who turns 30 on Sunday, to serve as mere insurance behind Alex Green on early downs while battling with Johnny White, John Kuhn and DuJuan Harris for backup reps.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:58:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Oh.. it is not that I think he is the answer to our issues or that he is going to ignite the offense.

But instead, those that repeatedly stated he sucked will now be excited to add him to the roster.

Grant has been a solid back for us.. knows the offense.. it is a logical fit and there should be little doubt that he will provide some relief.


Note that yours truly has been a Grant supporter. Always.

I was wondering why he wasn't signed already. Think
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:48:00 PM(UTC)
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I think all the Packers RBs are going to struggle this next game, because the Lions have a talented and strong DL going against the Packers OL which is injured and backed up. One of their talented DTs will be in a one on one against one of the Packers OG... thank goodness the Lions DE or DB aren't better...

Also last time, they chose to double team Suh and leave D-Smith one on one with Fairly... D-Smith is struggling and that didn't turn out too well. I'm not sure if this would do better... but I'm wondering if doubling Fairly and Sitton vs Suh one on one might be better for the Packers... not sure though... cause Suh is a beast... and he'll hit you where the sun don't shine.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:55:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
I think all the Packers RBs are going to struggle this next game, because the Lions have a talented and strong DL going against the Packers OL which is injured and backed up. One of their talented DTs will be in a one on one against one of the Packers OG... thank goodness the Lions DE or DB aren't better...

Also last time, they chose to double team Suh and leave D-Smith one on one with Fairly... D-Smith is struggling and that didn't turn out too well. I'm not sure if this would do better... but I'm wondering if doubling Fairly and Sitton vs Suh one on one might be better for the Packers... not sure though... cause Suh is a beast... and he'll hit you where the sun don't shine.


he will also hit you when you are not looking. he will hit you after the whistle blows. he will hit you whenever he thinks he can get away with it. he will hit you even if he doesn't think he can get away with it.
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