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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 3:26:40 PM(UTC)
We see several folks constantly whine "Ted draft OL!!", and I've been saying (along with others) that it's not the need to draft OL that is where attention needs to be sought ... it's at the COACHING the drafted players! I used to be in the camp that Ted can't draft OL. That changed a couple years ago to the Packers can't COACH OL players anymore. You just can't miss THAT many times.

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2012 	7th Andrew Datko*

2011 	1st Derek Sherrod *
2011 	6th Caleb Schlauderaff 

2010 	1st Bryan Bulaga *
2010 	5th Marshall Newhouse*

2009 	4th T.J. Lang*  	
2009 	5thJamon Meredith

2008 	4th Josh Sitton*
2008 	5th Breno Giacomini

2007 	4th Allen Barbre

2006 	2nd Daryn Colledge 
2006 	3rd Jason Spitz  
2006 	5th Tony Moll

2005 	5th Junius Coston  
2005 	7th Will Whitticker
zombieslayer  
#2 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 3:31:52 PM(UTC)
Pack93z knows OL way better than I do.

But I stand by what I said in another thread - Ted Thompson is off the hook. He's done his job. He's drafted OL.
nerdmann  
#3 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 3:50:11 PM(UTC)
First of all, Mike was asking for "smaller, quicker" guys.

So that's what Ted got him.

For the past few years, Mike's relented to asking for "bigger, stronger" guys. Since then, Ted's looked much better, because a higher percentage of those guys have worked out. We've got some guys out with injury, but they are in the pipeline. We've also got sufficient depth (not to jinx us) that we are still in the race.

But yes, I think we could do better than Campen.

Right now it behooves our QB to get the ball out in under 8 seconds.

JSO

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Sustain the long drive. Aaron Rodgers did a great job last week against the Vikings by staying patient and decisive underneath a two-safety shell. Rodgers finished 27 of 35 and made the throws necessary to string together a game-clinching 11-minute drive. On the 18-play drive, Rodgers converted a trio of third downs. Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham, who didn't blitz at all against the Packers a few weeks ago, will try to test Rodgers' patience again.
gbguy20  
#4 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 4:50:56 PM(UTC)
coach sucks
wpr  
#5 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:11:48 PM(UTC)
just look at when they drafted most of the players. Until Sherrod & Bulaga the only players they took above the 4th round came in 2006. It is hard to build a quality line when you are constantly using leftover spare parts. Even the best coaches will have problems developing a Pro Bowl player if they have nothing to work with.

Once Sherrod & Bulaga come back from their injuries (in 2013) the tackle positions will be solid. Lang and Sitton will do fine at G and then all they need to do is to find a quality center.
nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:15:34 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
just look at when they drafted most of the players. Until Sherrod & Bulaga the only players they took above the 4th round came in 2006. It is hard to build a quality line when you are constantly using leftover spare parts. Even the best coaches will have problems developing a Pro Bowl player if they have nothing to work with.

Once Sherrod & Bulaga come back from their injuries (in 2013) the tackle positions will be solid. Lang and Sitton will do fine at G and then all they need to do is to find a quality center.


I'll say this.

If Barclay and Van Roten turn out to be players, that will make Campen look pretty good.
DakotaT  
#7 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:22:53 PM(UTC)
I think the problem has more to do with injuries than anything. Sherrod had his bones in the lower leg snapped. Now that's a two year injury and very freaky to the say the least. But not to draft a center when you let Wells walk is a mistake. It would have cost Casey Hayward to get one of the better centers in the draft though. So then you're at the opportunity cost thing.
wpr  
#8 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:37:25 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
I think the problem has more to do with injuries than anything. Sherrod had his bones in the lower leg snapped. Now that's a two year injury and very freaky to the say the least. But not to draft a center when you let Wells walk is a mistake. It would have cost Casey Hayward to get one of the better centers in the draft though. So then you're at the opportunity cost thing.


I can understand the Packers wanting to take a shot with Saturday. EDS as his backup and drafting someone next year that would take Saturday's place in 2014. They were wrong but they didn't know that in April.
nerdmann  
#9 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:40:43 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I can understand the Packers wanting to take a shot with Saturday. EDS as his backup and drafting someone next year that would take Saturday's place in 2014. They were wrong but they didn't know that in April.


Saturday hasn't been great, but I wouldn't say he's completely shit himself.

He's a stopgap.
Zero2Cool  
#10 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:41:25 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Saturday hasn't been great, but I wouldn't say he's completely shit himself.

He's a stopgap.


I read in a few places that the Packers are grooming their eventual Center. Who that is? No idea.
wpr  
#11 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:43:20 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Saturday hasn't been great, but I wouldn't say he's completely shit himself.

He's a stopgap.


exactly.

I don't think most teams look for "great" when they pick up a center. solid, consistent and steady are the terms that come to mind when looking for a center.
That and intelligent which is what many said of Saturday.
nerdmann  
#12 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:43:59 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I read in a few places that the Packers are grooming their eventual Center. Who that is? No idea.


For some reason they like EDS, but I think they can upgrade.
Pack93z  
#13 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:47:20 PM(UTC)
I think I might have said this a couple thousand times already.. our problem is not the talent. It falls on coaching.
blueleopard  
#14 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:51:57 PM(UTC)
Hire Mike Sherman. Yes, I said it.

Oh wait, Joe Philbin did. Dammit.
nerdmann  
#15 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 5:59:03 PM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
Hire Mike Sherman. Yes, I said it.

Oh wait, Joe Philbin did. Dammit.


Not quite sure, but Sherman might want another shot in the NFL.
zombieslayer  
#16 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:30:36 PM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
Hire Mike Sherman. Yes, I said it.

Oh wait, Joe Philbin did. Dammit.


Best OL we've had in the Favre/Rodgers years was under Sherman. Not even debatable.
DakotaT  
#17 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:48:46 PM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Best OL we've had in the Favre/Rodgers years was under Sherman. Not even debatable.


Yeah, but Favre had to wait until after he was 30 for that luxury. Kind of looks like we are doing the same for Aaron.
PackFanWithTwins  
#18 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 9:35:54 AM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Best OL we've had in the Favre/Rodgers years was under Sherman. Not even debatable.


I wouldn't credit that to Sherman for that. The best lines Favre had were drafted by Ron and was a credit to the Ts and Gs. thank you 200 Draft.

6'5" 330 Clifton
6'6" 307 Wahle
6'4" 310 Rivera
6'4" 320 Tauscher

6'4" 319 Newhouse
6'4" 305 Lang
6'4" 320 Sitton
6'5" 315 Bulaga

We have gotten close to the size we had, after Mike McCarthy wanted to go smaller right away. I would like to assume Sherrod can come back, and play. He has the frame to play in the 330 range at LT. Either move Newhouse to LT or LG, with Bulaga at the other of those. Leave Lang and Barclay as backups. Both could probably fill in any spot except C. EDS at Center. Not sure if Van Roten can play C or not.

Would have no problem with drafting a C and another LT with questions with Sherrod but not 1st or 2nd.

nerdmann  
#19 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 9:37:54 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
I wouldn't credit that to Sherman for that. The best lines Favre had were drafted by Ron and was a credit to the Ts and Gs. thank you 200 Draft.

6'5" 330 Clifton
6'6" 307 Wahle
6'4" 310 Rivera
6'4" 320 Tauscher

6'4" 319 Newhouse
6'4" 305 Lang
6'4" 320 Sitton
6'5" 315 Bulaga

We have gotten close to the size we had, after Mike McCarthy wanted to go smaller right away. I would like to assume Sherrod can come back, and play. He has the frame to play in the 330 range at LT. Either move Newhouse to LT or LG, with Bulaga at the other of those. Leave Lang and Barclay as backups. Both could probably fill in any spot except C. EDS at Center. Not sure if Van Roten can play C or not.

Would have no problem with drafting a C and another LT with questions with Sherrod but not 1st or 2nd.



Sherman actually did have a really good OL coach. Can't remember his name. Older guy with knee braces.

But if you'll recall, they also tried to move Wahle out to LT, which was a big disaster.

In fact as I recall, Bill Ferrario was supposed to be one of their guys. LOL. Totally flamed out. Tauscher was an afterthought. They just plugged him in as desperation and dude panned out for a decade. Cliffy too. Earl Dotson couldn't do it anymore, although Cliffy was a higher draft pick. Second round iirc.
PackFanWithTwins  
#20 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 10:01:52 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Sherman actually did have a really good OL coach. Can't remember his name. Older guy with knee braces.

But if you'll recall, they also tried to move Wahle out to LT, which was a big disaster.

In fact as I recall, Bill Ferrario was supposed to be one of their guys. LOL. Totally flamed out. Tauscher was an afterthought. They just plugged him in as desperation and dude panned out for a decade. Cliffy too. Earl Dotson couldn't do it anymore, although Cliffy was a higher draft pick. Second round iirc.


Not sure what they were thinking. they swapped Wahle and Verba. regardless, it worked out in the end. Not sure itis coaching though especially with the Oline. His name was Larry Beightol. I've seen it happen to many times. Lines not doing well and an injury happens and a move has to be made and CLICK.
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