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Originally Posted by: blueleopard  Hire Mike Sherman. Yes, I said it.
Oh wait, Joe Philbin did. Dammit. Best OL we've had in the Favre/Rodgers years was under Sherman. Not even debatable. |
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Best OL we've had in the Favre/Rodgers years was under Sherman. Not even debatable. Yeah, but Favre had to wait until after he was 30 for that luxury. Kind of looks like we are doing the same for Aaron. |
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Best OL we've had in the Favre/Rodgers years was under Sherman. Not even debatable. I wouldn't credit that to Sherman for that. The best lines Favre had were drafted by Ron and was a credit to the Ts and Gs. thank you 200 Draft. 6'5" 330 Clifton 6'6" 307 Wahle 6'4" 310 Rivera 6'4" 320 Tauscher 6'4" 319 Newhouse 6'4" 305 Lang 6'4" 320 Sitton 6'5" 315 Bulaga We have gotten close to the size we had, after Mike McCarthy wanted to go smaller right away. I would like to assume Sherrod can come back, and play. He has the frame to play in the 330 range at LT. Either move Newhouse to LT or LG, with Bulaga at the other of those. Leave Lang and Barclay as backups. Both could probably fill in any spot except C. EDS at Center. Not sure if Van Roten can play C or not. Would have no problem with drafting a C and another LT with questions with Sherrod but not 1st or 2nd. |
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins I wouldn't credit that to Sherman for that. The best lines Favre had were drafted by Ron and was a credit to the Ts and Gs. thank you 200 Draft.
6'5" 330 Clifton
6'6" 307 Wahle
6'4" 310 Rivera
6'4" 320 Tauscher
6'4" 319 Newhouse
6'4" 305 Lang
6'4" 320 Sitton
6'5" 315 Bulaga
We have gotten close to the size we had, after Mike McCarthy wanted to go smaller right away. I would like to assume Sherrod can come back, and play. He has the frame to play in the 330 range at LT. Either move Newhouse to LT or LG, with Bulaga at the other of those. Leave Lang and Barclay as backups. Both could probably fill in any spot except C. EDS at Center. Not sure if Van Roten can play C or not.
Would have no problem with drafting a C and another LT with questions with Sherrod but not 1st or 2nd.
Sherman actually did have a really good OL coach. Can't remember his name. Older guy with knee braces. But if you'll recall, they also tried to move Wahle out to LT, which was a big disaster. In fact as I recall, Bill Ferrario was supposed to be one of their guys. LOL. Totally flamed out. Tauscher was an afterthought. They just plugged him in as desperation and dude panned out for a decade. Cliffy too. Earl Dotson couldn't do it anymore, although Cliffy was a higher draft pick. Second round iirc. |
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Sherman actually did have a really good OL coach. Can't remember his name. Older guy with knee braces.
But if you'll recall, they also tried to move Wahle out to LT, which was a big disaster.
In fact as I recall, Bill Ferrario was supposed to be one of their guys. LOL. Totally flamed out. Tauscher was an afterthought. They just plugged him in as desperation and dude panned out for a decade. Cliffy too. Earl Dotson couldn't do it anymore, although Cliffy was a higher draft pick. Second round iirc. Not sure what they were thinking. they swapped Wahle and Verba. regardless, it worked out in the end. Not sure itis coaching though especially with the Oline. His name was Larry Beightol. I've seen it happen to many times. Lines not doing well and an injury happens and a move has to be made and CLICK. |
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I think we have the makings of a very good line if we can get and stay healthy. Plus we have some possibilities to add depth, and maybe more, with Van Roten, Barclay and Datko. If we could pick up Kalid Holmes or Barrett Jones to have an outstanding center we would be in good shape for the future. We should have a good shot at doing this, even though we'll draft late, beacause teams don't usually value centers that highly. This is all assuming Bulaga and Sherrod will come back 100% from their injuries, which the team should have a pretty good idea of, based on rehab. I hope Ted Thompson can trade up and get what he wants likes last year with Heyward, we are more in need of quality not quanity with our window of opportunity at this point. |
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I'm going to say the entire issue has more to do with the game-time play calling than anything else. When we run the football, our OL really does look to play better, no matter who we have in there. Same follows suit when we do not run, our OL looks to be playing worse, no matter who we have in there.
I think Ted has done well in drafting Bulaga, and Sherrod to anchor the outside of our line. Lang was a great addition, and Sitton is exceptional. Saturday was a good option for a veteran presence after letting Wells go for more dough. As things turned out, Sherrod has hardly seen the field since his drafting due to the unfortunate compound fracture of his leg. Bulaga was one of our best OL prior to his injury. I do think Newhouse has played very well as a starter, for the most part. Especially if you consider he may be at his peak, going up against superior talent. All the while, the kid is showing improvement, and is staying on the field, contributing to GB's success.
We call out Campen a lot. I don't much care for him, except when they play well, and we pile up yds rushing the football, and Rodgers stays relatively clean... then there is nothing to complain about. So, this makes me think it has more to do with how the offense is called, more than the talent or prep.
Marshall Newhouse is not your top tier talent at LT. Neither is Don Barclay at RT. But, if we keep running, and winning, we won't be calling out Campen, or McCarthy, or Clements or Thompson, at all, for anything but praise, and a job well done. Running the football, like Guiness, is good for you!
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Originally Posted by: play2win I'm going to say the entire issue has more to do with the game-time play calling than anything else. When we run the football, our OL really does look to play better, no matter who we have in there. Same follows suit when we do not run, our OL looks to be playing worse, no matter who we have in there.
I think Ted has done well in drafting Bulaga, and Sherrod to anchor the outside of our line. Lang was a great addition, and Sitton is exceptional. Saturday was a good option for a veteran presence after letting Wells go for more dough. As things turned out, Sherrod has hardly seen the field since his drafting due to the unfortunate compound fracture of his leg. Bulaga was one of our best OL prior to his injury. I do think Newhouse has played very well as a starter, for the most part. Especially if you consider he may be at his peak, going up against superior talent. All the while, the kid is showing improvement, and is staying on the field, contributing to GB's success.
We call out Campen a lot. I don't much care for him, except when they play well, and we pile up yds rushing the football, and Rodgers stays relatively clean... then there is nothing to complain about. So, this makes me think it has more to do with how the offense is called, more than the talent or prep.
Marshall Newhouse is not your top tier talent at LT. Neither is Don Barclay at RT. But, if we keep running, and winning, we won't be calling out Campen, or McCarthy, or Clements or Thompson, at all, for anything but praise, and a job well done. Running the football, like Guiness, is good for you! Agreed. I've shit talked Campen as much as (or more than) anyone. But Barclay is stepping up and getting it done. I daresay our RBs are actually getting a chance to show what they can do. At least somewhat consistently. It's great to see. I mean let's get real. Barclay is our #5 T. Newhouse is our #3, and we're still just about ready to clinch the division and vie for #2 seed. Now I honestly put alot of this on Ted. But you gotta give Campen some due. |
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I will say this: I was impressed as Hell at Washington's showing last week v. NYG, especially when focusing on their zone blocking schemes, and their run heavy play options and play calling. I've never felt that our Packers have successfully mastered zone blocking on this level. It would be nice to get our OL performing like an unbeatable machine, but I think that will require additional players, better coaching, and a better, more consistent commitment to calling the run.
Simply calling more run plays will make our OL more effective all around, more proficient. I'm hoping we see a lot of this, and run our way straight to another Lombardi Trophy.
So, I guess to answer the question of the thread: both, with a heavier emphasis on the coaching and play calling. I think Ted has actually added some gems, and that our staff has done a decent job getting everyone ready. Call more runs and the game itself changes. The opponent wears down in rushing your QB, and everybody, on your O and D wins.
But, fail to stick with it, and we get the inverse. I don't want to see that again.
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