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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#16 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 8:58:53 AM(UTC)
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Barclay has looked more than serviceable at RT. Haven't seen him get bulled over, and with the outside rush he seems to move well enough that he is able to force them deeper than Rodgers drop in the pocket which is all you really want. Biggest thing though is he and Sitton seem to work well together in run blocking. I'd be more than willing with what he has shown, to give him the shot for RT for the remainder of the season.

Lang, move him back to LG. He was playing pretty well there, the question then is, what to do at C. Saturday just doesn't seem to have it, he gets over powered, doesn't get enough push and is lacking speed. For passing the front of the pocket needs to hold up or Rodgers can't step up and throw. If we expect Saturday to hold his position alone, we lose. He always needs help from one of the G's around him which put extra pressure on our Tackles. I would like to see D-Smith have a shot at C.
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#17 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 9:20:09 AM(UTC)
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Can't say much about our line next year but Lang is not a tackle. The reason Barclay looks better is because he is better at the position. Lang should stay inside at guard where he's turning into a real quality player. Moving him outside is just going to slow his progress at LG where he could become a pro-bowl caliber starter at some point. His future is there.

The problem is lack of depth at tackle. Sherrod's injury really screwed us. I think Ted Thompson and company thought that Sherrod would be ready to play some time this year so we stashed him on PUP and went in with a contingency plan of Lang at RT and EDS at LG. Unfortunately, we lost both our starting RT and then lost our contingency plan at RT. On top of that, Sherrod did not heal as expect. Barclay is what we got and he's more natural at T than Lang was (not a knock on Lang).
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#18 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 9:24:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Lang, move him back to LG. He was playing pretty well there, the question then is, what to do at C. Saturday just doesn't seem to have it, he gets over powered, doesn't get enough push and is lacking speed. For passing the front of the pocket needs to hold up or Rodgers can't step up and throw. If we expect Saturday to hold his position alone, we lose. He always needs help from one of the G's around him which put extra pressure on our Tackles. I would like to see D-Smith have a shot at C.


I think EDS will be in competition for the starting center position next year. He will probably be up against a rookie or two. Saturday is most likely for this year only (unless we really need him next year). He's a stopgap to give EDS another year to learn and let us build some more depth at the position in the draft next year.
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#19 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 11:09:13 AM(UTC)
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I really hope we get a new center. Hopefully EDS can be that moving forward while continuing to develop. Saturday has been serviceable.

Lang should go back to LG and Barclay remain at RT.

To me, this year really exposed our tackles. Bulaga is out so not much to say on him right now, but in my opinion, Newhouse has just been embarrassing. He routinely just gets blown up and Rodgers rarely tries going outside that direction now. Last night he got pushed and flew backwards. It is pretty sad seeing how bad he gets tossed around by the top rushers. He is a liability.

We have to do so more creative things to make up for this. Really liked that running play where EDS crossed over to fill a gap. We need more plays like that to keep drives alive.

O line is a huge ? going into the playoffs.
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#20 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 1:20:46 PM(UTC)
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Is Saturday really that bad? because I see EDS getting beat more than him...
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#21 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 1:52:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Is Saturday really that bad? because I see EDS getting beat more than him...


There is just so much a cerebral player can overcome when dealing with physically superior talent. No one is saying Saturday is a bad player, he is just physically outmatched out there or what I call light in the ass. There was a time though that he was the best in the business. Having EDS next to him instead of Lang just exposes this problem more.
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#22 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 2:24:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
There is just so much a cerebral player can overcome when dealing with physically superior talent. No one is saying Saturday is a bad player, he is just physically outmatched out there or what I call light in the ass. There was a time though that he was the best in the business. Having EDS next to him instead of Lang just exposes this problem more.


Yeah, Saturday's just on the downside of his career.

For some reason the coaches think EDS has yet to hit his peak. lol
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#23 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 4:11:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Howie was hit in the head too many times. Did they actually watch Bryan agains the Seahags?


Personally don't think it is fair to use that game as a judgement on Bulaga's play as our entire offensive line sucked it up and the gameplan made it simple for the Seachickens to pin their ears back and not worry about the run. Bulaga has been a very consistent lineman for us and I still think he would be the better LT over Sherrod and Newhouse but is a much better duo with Sitton.

I think that is another thing some may overlook. How much does the RT benefit from the great play of Sitton?

Next year I'd roll with:
LT- Winner of Sherrod/Newhouse competition
LG- Lang
C- EDS
RG- Sitton
RT- Bulaga

And while we are on the topic of offensive line (we should just have one giant thread for any offensive line talk since so little of the PH population contributes to it Smile ), this name needs to be put on the back of a Packers jersey next year. I will hope and pray every night that this guy is the highest on TT's draft board.

BARRETT JONES

This guy is a complete monster playing for Alabama. Starts his career at right guard as a redshirt freshmen and earns Freshmen All-American honors. His junior season he switches from guard to left tackle, was first-team All-SEC selection and wins the 2011 Outland Trophy (given to best o-lineman in college football). Now in his senior year because of injuries again, he switches from left tackle to center and wins the 2012 Remington Trophy (given to college football's best center).

Talk about a resumé. Plug him where you feel like on our offensive line. He has played and received high awards for both positions I think we are in need of (Sherrod is one big giant ?).
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#24 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 4:17:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yerko Go to Quoted Post
Personally don't think it is fair to use that game as a judgement on Bulaga's play as our entire offensive line sucked it up and the gameplan made it simple for the Seachickens to pin their ears back and not worry about the run. Bulaga has been a very consistent lineman for us and I still think he would be the better LT over Sherrod and Newhouse but is a much better duo with Sitton.

I think that is another thing some may overlook. How much does the RT benefit from the great play of Sitton?

Next year I'd roll with:
LT- Winner of Sherrod/Newhouse competition
LG- Lang
C- EDS
RG- Sitton
RT- Bulaga

And while we are on the topic of offensive line (we should just have one giant thread for any offensive line talk since so little of the PH population contributes to it Smile ), this name needs to be put on the back of a Packers jersey next year. I will hope and pray every night that this guy is the highest on TT's draft board.

BARRETT JONES

This guy is a complete monster playing for Alabama. Starts his career at right guard as a redshirt freshmen and earns Freshmen All-American honors. His junior season he switches from guard to left tackle, was first-team All-SEC selection and wins the 2011 Outland Trophy (given to best o-lineman in college football). Now in his senior year because of injuries again, he switches from left tackle to center and wins the 2012 Remington Trophy (given to college football's best center).

Talk about a resumé. Plug him where you feel like on our offensive line. He has played and received high awards for both positions I think we are in need of (Sherrod is one big giant ?).


Sounds like a top 15 pick to me, and we won't get a sniff. I would love to see a high pick on an interior lineman though.
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#25 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 4:40:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Sounds like a top 15 pick to me, and we won't get a sniff. I would love to see a high pick on an interior lineman though.


I know. I always have my "dream player" each year and since I saw some talking about the draft, I thought I'd insert his name into the talks. Offensive line should be our #1 pick this year...
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#26 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 4:49:00 PM(UTC)
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Packers love guys with that kind of versatility.
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#27 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 4:50:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Is Saturday really that bad? because I see EDS getting beat more than him...


No he's been fine. If you actually go back and watch film he's done what he's asked to. When he struggles it's with a big athletic guy that can get around him in one on ones. That happens all the time though to everyone. EDS just misses assignments completely.

Bulaga was BY FAR our worst Oline piece so far. Giving up something like 30 pressures compared to 7-10 pressures from Newhouse who actually goes up against superior talent and from Rodgers blindside. Lang, Saturday and Sitton were all very good with around 5-10 pressures given up. Ever notice the front side pressure Rodgers deals with? Once that happens he starts moving around and then can make lineman try to do more than the initial assignment so you see a few misses and assume the whole line got blown up.
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#28 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 5:40:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
LT- Sherrod
LG- Newhouse
C- Lang
RG- Sitton
RT- Bulaga

Marshall Newhouse was drafted as a G which is why I plugged him into that spot. And if Sherrod goes down, I think it's less difficult for a LG to slide to LT than moving a LG to RT if Barclay were to go down.


Can Lang play center? Has he ever played center? Can he snap the ball at an NFL level and under NFL pressure? As well as shot gun snaps? Heck not all center can (T.J. McDonald and a couple of Romo's centers couldn't at times)... I don't know if Lang can or not... but I thought I read Sitton tweeter that the Packers are in trouble if he or Lang ever have to play Center (I think he was asked about it around the time Wells signed with the Rams) then again Sitton and Lang both joke around a lot.

BUT IF Lang can play Center at an NFL level... I really like the idea. I just don't know if he can... or if he has ever played at center.

I also think Newhouse was drafted to play G BUT IMO he doesn't have the power and/or proper technique in to bring the power in his upper body needed to battle with good DTs... he's rookie year he couldn't keep anyone out of his pads... he's improved a good bit since then, but his upper body technique is still pretty bad for generating power...

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#29 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 6:04:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Can Lang play center? Has he ever played center? Can he snap the ball at an NFL level and under NFL pressure? As well as shot gun snaps? Heck not all center can (T.J. McDonald and a couple of Romo's centers couldn't at times)... I don't know if Lang can or not... but I thought I read Sitton tweeter that the Packers are in trouble if he or Lang ever have to play Center (I think he was asked about it around the time Wells signed with the Rams) then again Sitton and Lang both joke around a lot.

BUT IF Lang can play Center at an NFL level... I really like the idea. I just don't know if he can... or if he has ever played at center.

I also think Newhouse was drafted to play G BUT IMO he doesn't have the power and/or proper technique in to bring the power in his upper body needed to battle with good DTs... he's rookie year he couldn't keep anyone out of his pads... he's improved a good bit since then, but his upper body technique is still pretty bad for generating power...



Land at C has been bandied about, but nothing has ever come of it that I know of.

I believe he may have backed up some in college.

Newhouse is too lanky to play on the inside.
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#30 Posted : Monday, December 10, 2012 6:14:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Sounds like a top 15 pick to me, and we won't get a sniff. I would love to see a high pick on an interior lineman though.


I agree, but I've been surprised seeing him ranked as 3rd inside OL that could fall to the late 1st...

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C/OG Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina

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