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Offline K_Buz  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:44:11 PM(UTC)
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Jeff Saturday named to the Pro Bowl? HAHAHAHA...wait that's not a joke?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:53:15 PM(UTC)
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Cobb, Sitton and even Jones with his league leading tds should have gotten more consideration than Saturday.

Oh well it doesn't really matter. no one watches the game anyway.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:12:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Cobb, Sitton and even Jones with his league leading tds should have gotten more consideration than Saturday.

Oh well it doesn't really matter. no one watches the game anyway.


Cobb and Sitton are first alternates, so there's that at least.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:19:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: earthquake Go to Quoted Post
Cobb and Sitton are first alternates, so there's that at least.


yes they are but they are not on the PB team per se.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:31:55 PM(UTC)
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Is the Pro Bowl being played the week before the Super Bowl again?
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:53:10 PM(UTC)
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Probowl is all about the name.
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Offline porky88  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 26, 2012 9:55:54 PM(UTC)
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They should eliminate the Pro Bowl altogether. It's bull that Hall of Fame voters sometimes reference the Pro Bowl while deciding who is enshrined in Canton. That's the biggest problem with the Pro Bowl. We still treat it as a relevant award. Eliminate it and we’ll no longer do that.
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Offline play2win  
#8 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:08:54 AM(UTC)
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The Pro Bowl should be an honor. It is treated by the players and those selecting players as anything but... It is the Commissioner's duty to give this some credence or can it altogether.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:17:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Probowl is all about the name.


Indeed. If non-players were nominatable, Barack Obama would be starting at QB and Joe Biden would be a WR alternate.

Holy cow, I just came up with a much better idea than the Pro Bowl. Politibowl. Parties are on different teams. I'd watch it.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:29:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Indeed. If non-players were nominatable, Barack Obama would be starting at QB and Joe Biden would be a WR alternate.

Holy cow, I just came up with a much better idea than the Pro Bowl. Politibowl. Parties are on different teams. I'd watch it.


too many fumbles.
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Offline wpr  
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:32:47 AM(UTC)
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Saturday's agent is just being an agent but really. Not talking

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No one can blame the fans for Jeff Saturday’s surprising selection to the NFC Pro Bowl team.

The Green Bay Packers’ center was one of three Packers players voted to the NFC team, along with quarterback Aaron Rodgers and outside linebacker Clay Matthews. Rodgers is a starter, Matthews and Saturday are backups.

This is the sixth time Saturday has made the Pro Bowl in his decorated 14-year career, but the 37-year-old’s inclusion this season was a major surprise, because just last week he lost his starting job to Evan Dietrich-Smith.

Saturday led the fans’ voting at center, but that counts only one-third overall in determining Pro Bowlers. The other thirds are the voting by players and coaches. So Saturday had enough votes from those other two groups to finish second at center in the NFC, behind only Seattle’s Max Unger.

Fan voting closed early last week, and players and coaches voted late last week, so both groups had 14 games on which to base their votes. Ralph Cindrich, Saturday’s agent, offered a spirited defense of his client going to the Pro Bowl after the Packers signed him as a free agent in the offseason.

“When (the Packers) brought him in, they knew at 37 and his weight, he wasn’t going to blow guys out of the hole,” Cindrich said. “He was going to call your audibles on the line, he was going to keep your offense going, he was going to keep the camaraderie and everything else. It’s like saying the president, does he really deserve to be president? Well, you voted him in, that’s the process. So, hell yes he deserves to be in (the Pro Bowl). That’s me saying it.”


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Offline nerdmann  
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:11:31 AM(UTC)
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“I am disappointed for Josh Sitton; I think he should be there. It is disappointing for me, for him. I would love to be able to pass it to him. He is a tough player and has played very well all season. I respect the heck out of the way he has played and it has been fun to play next to him.”


Wow, what a team mate. This dude gives seminars on manliness. You can really see his character in how he conducts himself.

Dude gets demoted from the starting position. Does he bitch about it? NO. He goes in the newspaper calling it a "passing of the torch."

Dude gets voted to the Pro Bowl. Does he get all defensive about how much he deserves it? NO. He gives props to his deserving team mate, putting his name out there, so that fans and others will take a look at him next time. "If Saturday says he deserves it, he must be pretty good, right?"

Great veteran leader. See that Finley?
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Offline Wade  
#13 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:12:21 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Indeed. If non-players were nominatable, Barack Obama would be starting at QB and Joe Biden would be a WR alternate.

Holy cow, I just came up with a much better idea than the Pro Bowl. Politibowl. Parties are on different teams. I'd watch it.


As long as you:
1. Ban helmets.
2. Allow full bump-and-run coverage and any Deacon Jones, Ray Nitschke, or Dick Butkus defensive move.

Think of the pay-per-view monies you could make. It would put a serious dent in the annual government deficit, too.


(Out of deference to DakotaT, assault weapons will not be allowed anywhere in the stadium, however.)
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#14 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 1:47:20 PM(UTC)
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We all suspected the Pro Bowl had some serious problems, but now it has been confirmed.

The voting process is flawed and must be fixed, and the game itself should be eliminated.

Nothing against Green Bay Packers center Jeff Saturday, who is a stand-up guy with an impressive NFL career resume, but he deserves a Pro Bowl berth this season about as much as I deserve a Nobel Peace Prize.

Saturday was one of three Packers named to the NFC team on Wednesday along with Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews.

Although Saturday served as an adequate stopgap in the middle of the Packers’ offense for 14 games, it turns out he isn’t even the best center on the roster, since he was benched in favor of Evan Dietrich-Smith last week.

For a six-time Pro Bowl player and 14-year veteran like Saturday, his Pro Bowl invitation is based more on popularity than performance. How else can you explain Saturday getting more votes than any other NFC center among fans, who account for one-third of the selection process?

There is nothing wrong with recognizing the best NFL players at each position, which is what the Pro Bowl is supposed to accomplish, but there has to be a better way to compile that list.

As for the game, held on the Sunday before the Super Bowl in Hawaii, it has degenerated into an embarrassing spectacle in which players go through the motions and attempt to avoid injuries.

“They have to do something about it, I think everyone is in agreement about that,” said Packers coach Mike McCarthy, a two-time NFC Pro Bowl head coach. “I had the opportunity to coach it last year and coaching it after the ’07 season, there’s clearly a drop-off in the game-day performance. It’s definitely an issue and there’s something that needs to be done. I don’t know what the answer is. I don’t even know what the options are.”

The best option is to end this charade and not play the game at all. The NFL can and should continue to honor the best players — assuming it devises a better selection method — but there’s no good reason to stage an utterly meaningless game.

Just because the Pro Bowl draws higher TV ratings than the Major League Baseball All-Star Game isn’t a good reason to keep it going.

The NFL wisely exterminated the College All-Star Game decades ago and did the same with the Playoff Bowl that pitted first-round postseason losers in a less-than-epic consolation game.

It’s time for the Pro Bowl to get tossed on that scrap heap of ill-conceived, manufactured NFL events.


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I stopped voting for all the professional All Star teams in sports a few years ago. I stopped watching the PB at least 10 years ago. I don't miss it at all.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:29:05 PM(UTC)
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The problem is players, fans and sports writers are all biased, positively and negatively. So it will never be perfect. But only the players and coaches voting would most likely be the most accurate.

As far as the game - it's a joke. There's no effort, and why should there be. Back in the day the extra money from winning really meant something to the players. But now it's like telling a centa-millionaire you'll give him give him a buck to pick up a six pack of beer. Also, players don't want to risk injury with that type of money on the line for their careers. I think everyone would be better served to just have a presentation banquet.

The HOF has somewhat gone this wayward also...see my sig.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:34:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
The problem is players, fans and sports writers are all biased, positively and negatively. So it will never be perfect. But only the players and coaches voting would most likely be the most accurate.

As far as the game - it's a joke. There's no effort, and why should there be. Back in the day the extra money from winning really meant something to the players. But now it's like telling a centa-millionaire you'll give him give him a buck to pick up a six pack of beer. Also, players don't want to risk injury with that type of money on the line for their careers. I think everyone would be better served to just have a presentation banquet.

The HOF has somewhat gone this wayward also...see my sig.


players are not any better when it comes to voting than the fans.

most of them don't want to be bothered. they do the voting after practice. they are in a hurry to get out of there. some of the guys ask who did the fans pick and they then pick the same guy.

I doubt coaches put in a lot more effort. none of the coaches seems to talk about it.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:43:37 PM(UTC)
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Point taken, but at least the players and coaches are more knowledgeable even though we as fans don't think so. You mean they can't go home until they vote?
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#18 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:46:05 PM(UTC)
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The Pro-Bowl should be eliminated, but the voting should go on.
Players should still be able to win the award and say they were a pro-bowl caliber player for that year.

Instead of making them play a game, just give them a Hawaiian vacation and have them do appearances for the week.

The game has become a joke, hell by the time most high profile players back out, the game consists of middle of the road players anyway.

Not to get off the topic but here is a little advice for the younger posters out there, those who have not committed to a long time relationship.

If you ever find yourself watching a game with a young lady who you think might be the one, and she asks you "if #12 is such a good bowler, why does he play football?"

You know then and there that everything might be fine now, but sooner or later you will have to move on.

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#19 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:43:14 PM(UTC)
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Just shows how good EDS is. He beat out a Pro-Bowler.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:59:14 PM(UTC)
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Point taken, but at least the players and coaches are more knowledgeable even though we as fans don't think so. You mean they can't go home until they vote?


It has been a year since I read anything on the players voting process. As I understand it on a specific day the player rep brings out the ballots. They vote. They have to turn them in that same day.

Keep in mind too the players also vote for old teammates and friends as well.

It is not as if players spend a lot of time watching tape on all the other players in the league. Defensive players watch the offensive players they are going to face. CM3 may not know a lot about DBs Oakland. Jody doesn't watch the OL for Jets. So they usually ask other players who to vote for.
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#21 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:33:20 PM(UTC)
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I didn't have it quite right. here's some insight into player voting.


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Count B.J. Raji among those who think the NFL would be better served having NFL scouts choose the Pro Bowl teams instead of the combined vote of fans, players and coaches.

The Green Bay Packers defensive lineman expressed no ill feelings for being left off this year’s team after making it last season, and he doesn’t mind the way the vote is conducted now.

But he suggested there’s a capriciousness to making the team under current rules, and that players’ votes can be influenced by irrelavent factors.

“There won’t be any bias there,” he said of having pro scouts voting. “The pro scouting department, they look at so much (video) tape, they know what they see, their eyes don’t lie type of thing. Like, you played against a guy, he cheap shot you, so you don’t like him, so you’re not going to vote him type thing. There’s no hard feelings (with the scouts).

“But this way is fine with me. It works. Last year I was in, I was happy. This year I didn’t get in, I’m not really upset but obviously as a player you’d like to get in. It happens. In the NFC, some years you’re going to have a good year and not make it, I’ve been through that, and some years you’re like, ‘OK, I did all right,’ and you wind up in the Pro Bowl.”

Raji said the players’ vote isn’t a league-wide aggregate, but is based on each team getting one vote per position. So the player at each position who gets the most votes by the Packers then gets one vote in the league voting. Offensive players vote for defensive players, and vice versa. Teams cannot vote for their own players.

Raji said that when he votes, he asks teammates about the best players they faced at their positions, but that not all players do that.

“Reputation has a lot to do with it,” he said. “I think also nationally televised games, as I alluded to earlier. It depends. Some guys I’ve heard they’ll vote for the worst guy on the list because they want one of their teammates to get on there. A lot of things that go into that shouldn’t.”


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