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Offline gbguy20  
#16 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:18:14 PM(UTC)
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I thought the collarbone was one bone?



He broke the other side
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Offline DakotaT  
#17 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:02:40 PM(UTC)
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2. I admit that I was wrong about drafting Hayward. But if the price of bringing Woodson in is having Hayward sit more, I'd rather have Hayward sit. Woodson on the downslope is still better than Hayward right now.

IMO.


I'm at a loss here Wade. Please shed some more light on your theory. Hayward has played so well, that I am completely comfortable cutting Wood after the season and giving his money to Jennings. There is just no decision at all to make. I'm starting to think they won't even let Wood back on the field this year.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 3:09:11 PM(UTC)
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The only way I see Woody back is if he does a "Leroy Butler" and is willing to take a huge pay cut. He has to realize he's had his time, now it's other players times. Like Leroy said, you have to think accurately and be honest with yourself. I think Woody could still be an asset to the team but no where near what his pay level will be.
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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#19 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:24:21 PM(UTC)
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I hope Woodson is unhappy not being able to get back on the field, if he wasn't then I would be worried that he was just letting the season play out and he is just collecting a paycheck.

Woody could be doing just that, but from what I have read, he is helping anyway he can.

Running the scout team against The Packers offense, he doesn't have to do that.

Aaron Rodgers said himself last week on McCarthy show, Charles Woodson is the one Def player he fears the most and is glad he is on his side.

In this day of the "24 hour news cycle", and "we as fans deserve to know everything that is going on", I am betting there is really very little we actually know about Woody's status as a Packer after this year.

Interviews must be done, reporters must have answers..NOW. What is being said and what is reality are probaly 2 very different stories.

Who here doesn't think Ted, Mike, Woody and his agent haven't already sat down and have some kind of plan?

I would be very dissapointed in Ted if he hasn't.

I hate the business side of football, but you can't ignore it. Woody's contract is going to have to be redone, hopefully both sides can come together and reach an agreement that keep him around another couple of years.

Anyone who thinks Charles Woodson will not be an asset come playoff time, couldn't be any more wrong.

Hayward,Mcmillan,and the rest of the have been doing a great job, but every team needs those playoff experience players to succeed.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:38:32 PM(UTC)
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Woody brings veteran savvy, which could be invaluable during the playoffs.

He has his place.

I think he takes a pay cut next year and returns. This team, especially since the Fiasco with the ex QB, goes out of its way to show respect for veterans, especially great ones.
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#21 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 4:40:31 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
I'm at a loss here Wade. Please shed some more light on your theory. Hayward has played so well, that I am completely comfortable cutting Wood after the season and giving his money to Jennings. There is just no decision at all to make. I'm starting to think they won't even let Wood back on the field this year.


Well, first, I'm not talking about next year. That to me is a separate question. Certainly Hayward has shown far more than I would have ever dreamed, and if they let Woodson go, they'll likely have someone really good taking over.

But I think in the stretch run, I think I'd still want the vet. Partly because he's the vet with all the savvy that a near-hall-of-fame career gives. And partly because I think he's got a set of skills that Hayward doesn't (yet) match. Clearly Hayward has the nose for the INT and is perhaps even superior as a cover CB in some ways. But Woodson has that ability to play up on the line, to blitz from anywhere, to provide run support, that ability to play safety/linebacker as well as some corner. And don't forget the quiet leadership role he plays.

Hayward may have those skills some day. Heck, for all I know he may have them now. But Woodson has shown them. And, unlike his skills as a corner, which one could argue fairly persuasively IMO have declined, I don't think the same thing can be said about those other skills.

That's why, if/when he is healthy, I'd insert him back in for this year's playoff run.

Offseason -- Pack is going to have a possibly unpleasant choice to make. But that is tomorrow's question and problem.

This is now.
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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#22 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:05:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Woody brings veteran savvy, which could be invaluable during the playoffs.

He has his place.

I think he takes a pay cut next year and returns. This team, especially since the Fiasco with the ex QB, goes out of its way to show respect for veterans, especially great ones.


Unneccesary, but wouldn't expect anything else.

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#23 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:05:43 PM(UTC)
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Comparing Woodson vs. Hayward isn't entirely fair, imo. Hayward is a smaller player and will likely never be nearly as physical as Woodson. I don't think it has to be a situation where one replaces the other. I think Woodson would have a great role throughout the playoffs as a strong safety, Troy Polamalu 'rover' type role. He should take McMillan and especially MD Jennings off the field. That would be ideal, as I think both those players still have a ways to go, especially Jennings. Hayward can stay in the slot, and Dom can be very creative with his coverage's. The only issue with Woodson in a strong safety role like he played some early in the season is the physicality that is required and his clavicle. I would think it needs to be very close to 100% for him to truly be effective, and that is likely what is taking him so long to get back on the field. Hopefully he will be ready for the divisional round!

I think Hayward should be on the field during all sub-packages, at minimum.
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#24 Posted : Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:19:29 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
Comparing Woodson vs. Hayward isn't entirely fair, imo. Hayward is a smaller player and will likely never be nearly as physical as Woodson. I don't think it has to be a situation where one replaces the other. I think Woodson would have a great role throughout the playoffs as a strong safety, Troy Polamalu 'rover' type role. He should take McMillan and especially MD Jennings off the field. That would be ideal, as I think both those players still have a ways to go, especially Jennings. Hayward can stay in the slot, and Dom can be very creative with his coverage's. The only issue with Woodson in a strong safety role like he played some early in the season is the physicality that is required and his clavicle. I would think it needs to be very close to 100% for him to truly be effective, and that is likely what is taking him so long to get back on the field. Hopefully he will be ready for the divisional round!

I think Hayward should be on the field during all sub-packages, at minimum.


I'm sure they have extra pads they can throw on to protect those clavicles.
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#25 Posted : Friday, December 28, 2012 2:18:19 PM(UTC)
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I don't think Woody is unhappy.. Woody is a football player that wants to play.. impatient is probably a better descriptor.

AJ Hawk.. now this is unhappy.. and somehow I missed this.

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#26 Posted : Friday, December 28, 2012 3:16:11 PM(UTC)
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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#27 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:40:11 AM(UTC)
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I don't think Woody is unhappy.. Woody is a football player that wants to play.. impatient is probably a better descriptor.

AJ Hawk.. now this is unhappy.. and somehow I missed this.

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Loved that from A.J., but wasn't that after he had sacked the qb?

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Offline Pack93z  
#28 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:53:45 AM(UTC)
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Loved that from A.J., but wasn't that after he had sacked the qb?

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Yes, I believe it was after a sack, and the inside joke was that he never got home on the blitz... is way of making sure they noticed. I started reading about it after posting the gif...

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I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline Rockmolder  
#29 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:04:57 AM(UTC)
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I thought I missed something when I read the thread title.

Then I saw Nerdmann posted it.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Actually, I believe it was after a sack, and the inside joke was that he never got home on the blitz... is way of making sure they noticed. I started reading about it after posting the gif...


This was from last year, wasn't it? Think it was posted here. Wasn't he fined for that, as well? He apologized, I remember that much.

Anyway, I'd like Woodson. He's the veteran type of guy that can help a young team make it through an play-off run.

Hayward's been amazing, but he's not a defensive field general. If I'm Capers, I try to implement both him and Woodson. Why not take Woodson off his slot duties, have Hayward play that role, let Woodson play safety, maybe a bit more of a robber type or closer to the LoS than we normally would, and just take M.D. Jennings off the field.

I don't see why Woodson and Hayward being on the field should be mutually exclusive.

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#30 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:12:07 AM(UTC)
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Get Woody the career pick six record so he can retire happy.
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