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Offline nerdmann  
#1 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:51:37 PM(UTC)
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Cost us a bye.

Hope he doesn't cost us the season.

Fucking asshole.
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Offline SINCITYCHEEZE  
#2 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:57:41 PM(UTC)
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Cost us 4 points with that stupid penalty.Pretty much the difference in the game. Of course Hayward rookie mistake on 3rd and 11 didn't help much either.

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Offline nerdmann  
#3 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:00:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SINCITYCHEEZE Go to Quoted Post
Cost us 4 points with that stupid penalty.Pretty much the difference in the game. Of course Hayward rookie mistake on 2nd and 27(?) didn't help much either.


Nor did Aaron's stat whoring.

Fucking assholes.
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Offline cheeseheads123  
#4 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:01:49 PM(UTC)
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Tramon, prevent defense, and the replacement refs.
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Offline doddpower  
#5 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:02:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Nor did Aaron's stat whoring.

Fucking assholes.


lol, I'm just going to say it: You. Are. Stupid.

Otherwise, Tramon's lack of discipline on that play should have some type of consequences. Absolutely. He has to keep his composure in that situation, regardless of the situation. But still, there were many other failures that that one play that were basically just as bad, or worse.

Offline all_about_da_packers  
#6 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:03:31 PM(UTC)
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Thanks you MD Jennings for missing the INT, and thank you both Safeties (especially you MD Jennings) for your crappy tackling.

I will say this though, this was as poor a game as I remember from Tramon. There is something to be said for effort, but unfortunately he displayed next to none of it. My God, what a terrible performance.
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Offline all_about_da_packers  
#7 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:05:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cheeseheads123 Go to Quoted Post
Tramon, prevent defense, and the replacement refs.


I have very little issue with the defensive play calling. We missed so many tackles, and simply blew coverages. I'm very, very thankful we get Woodson back next week - our Safety play left a lot to be desired.

As for the play calling, when your players are missing as many tackles as we did tonight, and have very little gap discipline... well you're going to get what we got today.
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Offline doddpower  
#8 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:08:36 PM(UTC)
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I'm no fan of prevent defense, but if Hayward didn't blow his coverage, it's not likely the 3rd and long pass was completed. Dom had a player in position to make that play, the player simply didn't make it. I don't see how that call specifically can be placed on Dom. He also had many players in position to stop Peterson many times, but they often failed. He can be blamed for the players lack of ability to tackle, but not really the play-calling on those plays. The defense just has to make the plays when in position to do so. They often did not tonight.

EDIT: I tweeted early in the game that Woodson is really missed in a game like this. I am not a fan of MD Jennings as all. Hopefully he will never see the field when Woodson is back.
Offline cheeseheads123  
#9 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:14:59 PM(UTC)
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I wasn't solely blaming it on Capers. It would of worked if Hayward knew what he was doing
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Offline musccy  
#10 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 10:57:19 PM(UTC)
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Nothing to do with Capers as others alluded to, and the penalty was the least of my concerns with Tramon. He avoided touching A.P. like he had leprosy. At least the rest of the secondary made an attempt (albeit pitiful) to tackle A.P.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:42:13 PM(UTC)
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Al Harris would've given it no mind and lay out AP. That was a disgusting defensive performance, especially from a deep a secondary going against a team that has no known receiving talent.
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Offline DakotaT  
#12 Posted : Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:53:32 PM(UTC)
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It almost looked like we threw that game. Mcmillian had a horrible penalty on Rudolph in the end zone that ended up being a badly overthrown ball. When you give a team six chances on a goal line stand, you don't deserve to win. There's 8 points the Vikings shouldn't have had.

As for the tackling, they better bring their lunch pails next week and start sticking some fucking shoulder pads into AP's thighs instead of this fucken ole shit the threw out there today.

That ball that got tipped up and ended up being a completion, well the tip of that ball hit the ground - and if I can see that in live action - WTF is wrong with the refs? It pisses me off that we had to challenge that Ponder sack too.

This week I don't want to hear one fuckin word from Pickett or Raji - no finger pointing on the field when they do stuff Peterson either. I wanted to jump through the screen and kick Raji in the nutz more than once today.
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Offline all_about_da_packers  
#13 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 12:51:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
This week I don't want to hear one fuckin word from Pickett or Raji - no finger pointing on the field when they do stuff Peterson either. I wanted to jump through the screen and kick Raji in the nutz more than once today.


Honestly, Pickett and Raji should be able to talk as much as they want. Both were routinely either occupying blockers to allow our ILB or a DB to come through and have a shot at Peterson, or (especially Raji) were beating the O-line to stop Peterson or at least cause him to change directions. I cannot recall Peterson gashing through the middle of the field for big gains; he seemed to do real damage by bouncing it outside.

The majority of our problems seemed to be the inability of our DBs to tackle (or cover, for that matter). I'll be interested to see the rating/reviews that are done on the game (ProfootballFocus and McGinn specifically), but on initial reaction I think our two big bodies generally did what they needed to do, it's just that everyone else basically could not get their job done.

For what it is worth, I find it very interesting contrasting Raji's post-game comments with Clay's. Raji basically said he had no idea what could be done differently to stop All Day, while Clay said there were a lot of opportunities missed (Hawk seemed to be echoing Clay in his post-game comments, too). My initial reaction is that based on the way Raji and Pickett played, there isn't much more they can reasonably be expected to do in order to stop AD. Everyone else needs to look in the mirror and realize the poor outing they had.

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Offline nerdmann  
#14 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 1:20:11 AM(UTC)
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Wtf was Zombo today?

We needed a run stuffer, not a coverage guy who never heard of containment.
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Offline all_about_da_packers  
#15 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 1:31:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Wtf was Zombo today?


You mean the player who got blocked and taken out of a run play by a fucking QB (recall what Stafford did when we last played the Lions)?

This might be the first time I say this all season: Nick Perry would have been quite valuable to have against the Vikings.
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Offline wpr  
#16 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 2:59:30 AM(UTC)
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team lack of effort.
I think they prefer to play vikings again and not let the scummy bears into the playoffs. Win once at home then on to sunny CA to play the 9ers. Aaron Rodgers gets home cooked meal from momma. The weather plays to Aaron Rodgers and the offense.
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Offline dyeah_gb  
#17 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 7:15:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
team lack of effort.
I think they prefer to play vikings again and not let the scummy bears into the playoffs. Win once at home then on to sunny CA to play the 9ers. Aaron Rodgers gets home cooked meal from momma. The weather plays to Aaron Rodgers and the offense.


I agree with this point. I might be crazy, but I would rather face the vikings,49ers and whoever knocks ou the Falcons than the Bears.

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Offline vikesrule  
#18 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 7:45:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: blueleopard Go to Quoted Post
Al Harris would've given it no mind and lay out AP.


Instead of Whoopi Harris's cheap shot, you mean like this......


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Offline DakotaT  
#19 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 9:07:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vikesrule Go to Quoted Post
Instead of Whoopi Harris's cheap shot, you mean like this......


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Still calling an open field tackle on a runner in full speed a cheap shot? That Al Harris sure had some pin point control. Sarcasm
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#20 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 9:15:05 AM(UTC)
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Give it a break. Tramon was up being physical with a WR. Exactly what we want him to do. His hands hit the WR in the facemask. It wasn't intentional, it happens when playing physical. Woodson, Harris have had it happen also.

The problem was containment of Peterson on the left edge of the defense. He couldn't run up the middle, and had little success to the defensive right. Almost all of his gains was because he was able to bounce outside the defensive left.
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#21 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 9:23:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Give it a break. Tramon was up being physical with a WR. Exactly what we want him to do. His hands hit the WR in the facemask. It wasn't intentional, it happens when playing physical. Woodson, Harris have had it happen also.

The problem was containment of Peterson on the left edge of the defense. He couldn't run up the middle, and had little success to the defensive right. Almost all of his gains was because he was able to bounce outside the defensive left.


They should play Mike Neal out at OLB for this next game. Walden and Moses just can't cut it. Maybe the offense can get their first first down in the first quarter this next game so everybody isn't tiree throughout. The Packers D was on the field the whole first quarter.
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#22 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 9:26:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Give it a break. Tramon was up being physical with a WR. Exactly what we want him to do. His hands hit the WR in the facemask. It wasn't intentional, it happens when playing physical. Woodson, Harris have had it happen also.

The problem was containment of Peterson on the left edge of the defense. He couldn't run up the middle, and had little success to the defensive right. Almost all of his gains was because he was able to bounce outside the defensive left.


And you know that it wasn't on purpose for a fact? I certainly don't. Looked to me like he was just pissed off and lacked discipline. Either way, as I said earlier, there were many more as big or bigger plays that lead to the loss other than this particular play, though. But still, guys have to maintain their composure in the playoffs, especially the veterans (and the Head Coach).

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#23 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 9:49:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
They should play Mike Neal out at OLB for this next game. Walden and Moses just can't cut it. Maybe the offense can get their first first down in the first quarter this next game so everybody isn't tiree throughout. The Packers D was on the field the whole first quarter.


I saw a couple times, that Neal went wide on the Right when Matthews was rushing in the middle. I think Neal is better from the Right. We could move Matthews to LOLB and move Neal outside on those occasions. Peterson also seems to bounce outside that way better also.

And with the way the Center of the Dline was holding up, I would widen the MLB.


Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
And you know that it wasn't on purpose for a fact? I certainly don't. Looked to me like he was just pissed off and lacked discipline. Either way, as I said earlier, there were many more as big or bigger plays that lead to the loss other than this particular play, though. But still, guys have to maintain their composure in the playoffs, especially the veterans (and the Head Coach).



Yes, I can all but guarantee that it wasn't in purpose. Watch the play again. He was trying to jam him, hitting his shoulders. And because of the movement of the WR, he glanced off and hit his head and face.
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#24 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 10:55:52 AM(UTC)
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Our OLBs are not so great against the run and Matthews, bless him, but he looked a step slower this game from the last. I worry about him and his health.
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#25 Posted : Monday, December 31, 2012 11:32:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vikesrule Go to Quoted Post
Instead of Whoopi Harris's cheap shot, you mean like this......


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I can't believe you and yours are STILL whipping that out, lol

WE WON THAT GAME, ASSHOLE, it was all you had, then.

You got NEW MATERIAL, less than 24 hrs old, and you went there. I think you need remedial smack talk training.

You may have (understandably) lost your touch.

It's been awhile.

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