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#26 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 6:56:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
You might want to burn clock and keep their RB off the field, no? Keep our defense off the field, and prevent them from wearing down?

Move the chains. Score points. Dominate time of possession.


You are arguing two different issues.
1. You said Rodgers is a stat whore because he throws the deep ball when a player is open because he wants to get a lot of yardage into his stats.
2. Now you are saying he doesn't run the clock effectively.

They are two separate issues.

1. It makes no sense at all to check down to a short pass if you can see a receiver coming open further down field. It is stupid football to ignore him and throw a short pass for the sake of the clock. Why take 10 plays to move the ball the same number of yards against a struggling secondary that you can get in 3? The goal is to score not to see who can consume the most time. When you trail in a game the goal is to score as quick as you can. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE DOWN BY 2 OR MORE SCORES.
Taking 10 plays instead of 3 allows for more mistakes to occur. (Incompletions, interceptions, not getting the required yards for a first down and having the clock run out on you before you score.) Ultimately you move the ball the same number of yards. Nothing changes in Rodgers stats very much. He ends up with more attempts and completions. Maybe his completion percent is higher. Nothing you suggest makes him a stat whore. He ended up the year 8th in total yards. Not much of a stat whore.

2. Time of possession. It is the OC or HC that gives the QB the plays. Aaron Rodgers just works with what he has. If Mike was more concerned with the clock than scoring he would call more running plays. They could use up 2 min and not even get 10 yards. Big deal. He wants the ball in the endzone. Thus they pass the ball instead of running it. Sure Rodgers can audible to a run but MN secondary is weak. They had players come out of the game making them more susceptible to the pass. Why change to a run and burn clock when you can move 30 yards down field in a single play?

Ultimately Aaron is working with whatever the defense is giving him. If they put 8 men in the box he doesn't run he passes. If they go cover 2 with deep safeties he runs or throws short. If they pull the safeties up and have single coverage outside he is looking deep. Until you have studied film for hundreds of hours on the other team's tendencies and then stand behind the center and see what the defense doing you can't say jack. Watching the tv does not give you the whole story.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 12:03:34 PM(UTC)
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Nerd, I could pick apart some of your spasticated statements bit by bit as others have already done. Instead I'll just remind you that we scored 34 points. 34. That should be enough to win any game. The offense wasn't the problem last Sunday. End of.
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 12:11:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mi_keys Go to Quoted Post
Nerd, I could pick apart some of your spasticated statements bit by bit as others have already done. Instead I'll just remind you that we scored 34 points. 34. That should be enough to win any game. The offense wasn't the problem last Sunday. End of.


This.

You score 34 points and you lose, the problem is the D didn't do enough. This alone should have won the game:
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The D gets the fail. The numbers don't lie. They made Christian Ponder look like Peyton Manning.
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 12:55:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
This.

You score 34 points and you lose, the problem is the D didn't do enough. This alone should have won the game:


Aaron Rodgers doesn't deserve a fail. He deserves a medal.

The D gets the fail. The numbers don't lie. They made Christian Ponder look like Peyton Manning.


I'm not saying the D is free from shit suckage. Tramon Williams completely shit himself. I posted on that too.

This issue goes beyond this one game. It is an ongoing issue.
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 12:58:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
You are arguing two different issues.
1. You said Rodgers is a stat whore because he throws the deep ball when a player is open because he wants to get a lot of yardage into his stats.
2. Now you are saying he doesn't run the clock effectively.

They are two separate issues.

1. It makes no sense at all to check down to a short pass if you can see a receiver coming open further down field. It is stupid football to ignore him and throw a short pass for the sake of the clock. Why take 10 plays to move the ball the same number of yards against a struggling secondary that you can get in 3? The goal is to score not to see who can consume the most time. When you trail in a game the goal is to score as quick as you can. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE DOWN BY 2 OR MORE SCORES.
Taking 10 plays instead of 3 allows for more mistakes to occur. (Incompletions, interceptions, not getting the required yards for a first down and having the clock run out on you before you score.) Ultimately you move the ball the same number of yards. Nothing changes in Rodgers stats very much. He ends up with more attempts and completions. Maybe his completion percent is higher. Nothing you suggest makes him a stat whore. He ended up the year 8th in total yards. Not much of a stat whore.

2. Time of possession. It is the OC or HC that gives the QB the plays. Aaron Rodgers just works with what he has. If Mike was more concerned with the clock than scoring he would call more running plays. They could use up 2 min and not even get 10 yards. Big deal. He wants the ball in the endzone. Thus they pass the ball instead of running it. Sure Rodgers can audible to a run but MN secondary is weak. They had players come out of the game making them more susceptible to the pass. Why change to a run and burn clock when you can move 30 yards down field in a single play?

Ultimately Aaron is working with whatever the defense is giving him. If they put 8 men in the box he doesn't run he passes. If they go cover 2 with deep safeties he runs or throws short. If they pull the safeties up and have single coverage outside he is looking deep. Until you have studied film for hundreds of hours on the other team's tendencies and then stand behind the center and see what the defense doing you can't say jack. Watching the tv does not give you the whole story.


If the person downfield was in fact, already open, then there would be no need to wait the extra 7 seconds to get the ball out, no?

And this is not Aaron's obsession alone. But Aaron and Mike are obsessed with obliterating Favre from the record books. THAT is why they abandon the run. THAT is why they throw deep constantly.

They know that Aaron is unlikely to play as long as Favre, so they need to break his records in a shorter amount of time.

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#31 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 1:27:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If the person downfield was in fact, already open, then there would be no need to wait the extra 7 seconds to get the ball out, no?

And this is not Aaron's obsession alone. But Aaron and Mike are obsessed with obliterating Favre from the record books. THAT is why they abandon the run. THAT is why they throw deep constantly.

They know that Aaron is unlikely to play as long as Favre, so they need to break his records in a shorter amount of time.



lol, you are amazing. Not even worth a rebuttal, as it's basically like stealing candy from a baby. It's amazing how knowledgeable you are of the inner minds of Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy, though. Typical troll talk.
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 1:35:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If the person downfield was in fact, already open, then there would be no need to wait the extra 7 seconds to get the ball out, no?

And this is not Aaron's obsession alone. But Aaron and Mike are obsessed with obliterating Favre from the record books. THAT is why they abandon the run. THAT is why they throw deep constantly.

They know that Aaron is unlikely to play as long as Favre, so they need to break his records in a shorter amount of time.



Who are you Bus Cook? This is one of the most moronic statements I have ever read. I can not imagine the TWO of them are sitting down and agreeing to, not do what it takes to win the game, but break Favre records. Other than Favre and his momma who really gives a shit about the records?

Just to show you how ridiculous your comment is here are the run/pass totals for the month of December. (I just don't want to waste time looking further. And that is about the time the overall run game got healthy enough to be utilized more.)

Dec 2 vs MN 36 runs/35 pass. wait forgot two sacks so 37 passes.
Dec 9 vs Det 25/24 plus 3 sacks total 27 passes.
Dec 16 @ Chi 23/21 plus 4 sacks total 25 passes.
Dec 23 Vs TN 35/40 1 sack total 41 passes.
Dec 30 @ MN 16/40 plus 5 sacks 45 passes.

The first 4 games show nothing, NOTHING that would indicate some evil plot to get the sacred Favre records. The run vs pass break down is nearly 50-50. The main reason final game in MN was so lopsided in pass over runs was that they got down 13-0 and 20-7 and HAD to try and catch up. Keep in mind the MN secondary was weak and should have been exploited.
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#33 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 1:35:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
lol, you are amazing. Not even worth a rebuttal, as it's basically like stealing candy from a baby. It's amazing how knowledgeable you are of the inner minds of Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy, though. Typical troll talk.


oops. I was too busy looking for a rebuttal. You win.
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#34 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:14:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Who are you Bus Cook? This is one of the most moronic statements I have ever read. I can not imagine the TWO of them are sitting down and agreeing to, not do what it takes to win the game, but break Favre records. Other than Favre and his momma who really gives a shit about the records?

Just to show you how ridiculous your comment is here are the run/pass totals for the month of December. (I just don't want to waste time looking further. And that is about the time the overall run game got healthy enough to be utilized more.)

Dec 2 vs MN 36 runs/35 pass. wait forgot two sacks so 37 passes.
Dec 9 vs Det 25/24 plus 3 sacks total 27 passes.
Dec 16 @ Chi 23/21 plus 4 sacks total 25 passes.
Dec 23 Vs TN 35/40 1 sack total 41 passes.
Dec 30 @ MN 16/40 plus 5 sacks 45 passes.

The first 4 games show nothing, NOTHING that would indicate some evil plot to get the sacred Favre records. The run vs pass break down is nearly 50-50. The main reason final game in MN was so lopsided in pass over runs was that they got down 13-0 and 20-7 and HAD to try and catch up. Keep in mind the MN secondary was weak and should have been exploited.


So, Mike McCarthy doesn't have a tendency to abandon the run, therefore what I say is incorrect?
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:15:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If the person downfield was in fact, already open, then there would be no need to wait the extra 7 seconds to get the ball out, no?

And this is not Aaron's obsession alone. But Aaron and Mike are obsessed with obliterating Favre from the record books. THAT is why they abandon the run. THAT is why they throw deep constantly.

They know that Aaron is unlikely to play as long as Favre, so they need to break his records in a shorter amount of time.



Then why does Mike McCarthy want to run the ball even when we weren't effective?

Aaron said countless times that the super bowl is better than the MVP. All he wants to do is win..

LOL and the funny thing is remember that Lions game at halftime Mike McCarthy said to his team? "throw the stats out the window" Pretty much proves that he doesn't give 2 shits about records and or stats.
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:16:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
So, Mike McCarthy doesn't have a tendency to abandon the run, therefore what I say is incorrect?


If you're talking about this previous game. We ran the ball early. At halftime it was 20-10. Who wouldn't pass the ball?
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:21:25 PM(UTC)
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So, Mike McCarthy doesn't have a tendency to abandon the run, therefore what I say is incorrect?


noooo. You saying Mike's abandoning the run is his pursuit of Favre's records is wrong. AND this started with you complaining about Aaron Rodgers not Mike. You are waffling all over the place on this thread. It is like watching a dingy in the North Atlantic.

Pick one thing to bitch about and stay with it man.

AND one game in the last 5 where they pass a lot does not prove your hypothesis of them going for said records.
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:30:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
noooo. You saying Mike's abandoning the run is his pursuit of Favre's records is wrong. AND this started with you complaining about Aaron Rodgers not Mike. You are waffling all over the place on this thread. It is like watching a dingy in the North Atlantic.

Pick one thing to bitch about and stay with it man.

AND one game in the last 5 where they pass a lot does not prove your hypothesis of them going for said records.


It's been going on for years.

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#39 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:32:26 PM(UTC)
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Dec 2 vs MN 36 runs/35 pass. wait forgot two sacks so 37 passes.
Dec 9 vs Det 25/24 plus 3 sacks total 27 passes.
Dec 16 @ Chi 23/21 plus 4 sacks total 25 passes.
Dec 23 Vs TN 35/40 1 sack total 41 passes.
Dec 30 @ MN 16/40 plus 5 sacks 45 passes.



I can honestly say that those stats are pretty damn good.. That's about 2 sacks per game on about 175 passes.
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:36:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
It's been going on for years.



oh. ok. go get the stats that prove Aaron Rodgers is going for Favre stats and not trying to win.

This just in- my wife announced the only record Aaron is trying to break is the most Super Bowl wins by a QB. Damn I knew there was a reason I married her besides her great body.
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#41 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:41:10 PM(UTC)
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oh. ok. go get the stats that prove Aaron Rodgers is going for Favre stats and not trying to win.

This just in- my wife announced the only record Aaron is trying to break is the most Super Bowl wins by a QB. Damn I knew there was a reason I married her besides her great body.


Is there any player in the league that doesn't want to win? Weeeee!!


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#42 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 2:55:44 PM(UTC)
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Is there any player in the league that doesn't want to win? Weeeee!!




no kidding
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#43 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 3:17:40 PM(UTC)
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Don't argue with nerdman!!!!!
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Everything is a conspiracy in his world!!!

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#44 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 3:26:58 PM(UTC)
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Don't argue with nerdman!!!!!
He WILL send the black helicopters to your house!!!!

Everything is a conspiracy in his world!!!

"stat-whore" a phrase that will now live forever on this forum.

Nerdman says it. it's the truth, and he will continue to say it until he thinks he has convinced everyone else it's the truth.




It is the truth. I read it in the Book of Nerdman.And the copters can't find me. I got tin foil on my head. He told me it would keep me safe.
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#45 Posted : Tuesday, January 1, 2013 3:52:57 PM(UTC)
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It is the truth. I read it in the Book of Nerdman.And the copters can't find me. I got tin foil on my head. He told me it would keep me safe.


Solid arguments, to be sure.

Nerdmann says it's true, but it makes me pee my pants. Therefore it must not be true.
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#46 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:41:22 AM(UTC)
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Solid arguments, to be sure.

Nerdmann says it's true, but it makes me pee my pants. Therefore it must not be true.


Well at least some of them have backed up their arguments. So far basically all you've done is said "This is what I think happens therefore it's true"
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If the person downfield was in fact, already open, then there would be no need to wait the extra 7 seconds to get the ball out, no?

And this is not Aaron's obsession alone. But Aaron and Mike are obsessed with obliterating Favre from the record books. THAT is why they abandon the run. THAT is why they throw deep constantly.

They know that Aaron is unlikely to play as long as Favre, so they need to break his records in a shorter amount of time.



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#48 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:00:41 PM(UTC)
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Well at least some of them have backed up their arguments. So far basically all you've done is said "This is what I think happens therefore it's true"


Let's take the emotion out of it, shall we? Let's examine these arguments without the usual homer obsessions and accusations and personal attacks.

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lol, you are amazing. Not even worth a rebuttal, as it's basically like stealing candy from a baby. It's amazing how knowledgeable you are of the inner minds of Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy, though. Typical troll talk.


Nerdmann cannot know what is in the minds of Mike McCarthy and AR. Therefore it is impossible for Aaron Rodgers to pass up open receivers short and wait for something to open up deep.

Nerdmann is a troll, therefore it is impossible for Aaron Rodgers to be a stat whore.

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Who are you Bus Cook? This is one of the most moronic statements I have ever read. I can not imagine the TWO of them are sitting down and agreeing to, not do what it takes to win the game, but break Favre records. Other than Favre and his momma who really gives a shit about the records?

Just to show you how ridiculous your comment is here are the run/pass totals for the month of December. (I just don't want to waste time looking further. And that is about the time the overall run game got healthy enough to be utilized more.)

Dec 2 vs MN 36 runs/35 pass. wait forgot two sacks so 37 passes.
Dec 9 vs Det 25/24 plus 3 sacks total 27 passes.
Dec 16 @ Chi 23/21 plus 4 sacks total 25 passes.
Dec 23 Vs TN 35/40 1 sack total 41 passes.
Dec 30 @ MN 16/40 plus 5 sacks 45 passes.

The first 4 games show nothing, NOTHING that would indicate some evil plot to get the sacred Favre records. The run vs pass break down is nearly 50-50. The main reason final game in MN was so lopsided in pass over runs was that they got down 13-0 and 20-7 and HAD to try and catch up. Keep in mind the MN secondary was weak and should have been exploited.


Only Favre and his momma care about Favre's records. Therefore Aaron Rodgers cannot possibly care about them.

In the month of Dec, 2012, the run pass ratio is 50/50, therefore it is impossible for Aaron Rodgers to pass up open receivers short to wait for something to open up long.

In this last game, the Packers had to come from behind, therefore it is impossible for Aaron Rodgers to pass up open receivers underneath and wait for someone to come open deep.

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Then why does Mike McCarthy want to run the ball even when we weren't effective?

Aaron said countless times that the super bowl is better than the MVP. All he wants to do is win..

LOL and the funny thing is remember that Lions game at halftime Mike McCarthy said to his team? "throw the stats out the window" Pretty much proves that he doesn't give 2 shits about records and or stats.

Mike McCarthy wants to run the ball even when it's not effective. Therefore it is impossible for Rodgers to hold the ball even though there are guys open underneath.

Aaron says that the Superbowl is better than MVP. Therefore it is impossible for him to ignore guys who come open underneath.
Mike McCarthy told his team to "throw stats out the window" at halftime of the Lions game. Therefore he cannot possibly care about statistics.

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noooo. You saying Mike's abandoning the run is his pursuit of Favre's records is wrong. AND this started with you complaining about Aaron Rodgers not Mike. You are waffling all over the place on this thread. It is like watching a dingy in the North Atlantic.

Pick one thing to bitch about and stay with it man.

AND one game in the last 5 where they pass a lot does not prove your hypothesis of them going for said records.


Although Nerd can't know what is in the minds of Mike or Aaron, this person knows for certain that Mike abandoning the run has nothing to do with Favre's records.

Nerd is complaining about Aaron, not Mike. Therefore he is waffling like a dingy. All dingies are wrong, therefore Nerd is wrong.

There was only one game in the last five in which the team passed alot, therefore it is neither possible that Mike has a tendency to abandon the run, not is it possible for Aaron to pass up guys who come open underneath.

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oh. ok. go get the stats that prove Aaron Rodgers is going for Favre stats and not trying to win.

This just in- my wife announced the only record Aaron is trying to break is the most Super Bowl wins by a QB. Damn I knew there was a reason I married her besides her great body.


Nerd doesn't post statistics proving that Aaron is going for Favre's stats. Therefore it must not be true.

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Is there any player in the league that doesn't want to win?


All NFL players value the team over their individual glorification or personal agendas. Aaron Rodgers is an NFL player. Therefore it is impossible for him to put himself before the team.

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Don't argue with nerdman!!!!!
He WILL send the black helicopters to your house!!!!

Everything is a conspiracy in his world!!!

"stat-whore" a phrase that will now live forever on this forum.

Nerdman says it. it's the truth, and he will continue to say it until he thinks he has convinced everyone else it's the truth.


Nerdmann is a conspiracy theorist. Therefore if he says the sky is blue, it must be some other color.

Did I leave any out? I only went back to the previous page.
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#49 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:26:53 PM(UTC)
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Let's take the emotion out of it, shall we? Let's examine these arguments without the usual homer obsessions and accusations and personal attacks.



Nerdmann cannot know what is in the minds of Mike McCarthy and AR.

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Nerdmann is a troll,

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Only Favre and his momma care about Favre's records.

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In the month of Dec, 2012, the run pass ratio is 50/50,

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In this last game, the Packers had to come from behind,

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Mike McCarthy wants to run the ball even when it's not effective.

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Aaron says that the Superbowl is better than MVP.

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Mike McCarthy told his team to "throw stats out the window" at halftime of the Lions game.

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Although Nerd can't know what is in the minds of Mike or Aaron, this person knows for certain that Mike abandoning the run has nothing to do with Favre's records.

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Nerd is complaining about Aaron, not Mike. Therefore he is waffling like a dingy. therefore Nerd is wrong.

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There was only one game in the last five in which the team passed alot,

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Nerd doesn't post statistics proving that Aaron is going for Favre's stats. Therefore it must not be true.

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NFL players value the team over their individual glorification or personal agendas.

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Nerdmann is a conspiracy theorist.

TRUE GLAD WE AGREE ON THIS.


well done young man.

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Offline doddpower  
#50 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:06:37 PM(UTC)
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Nerdmanns post aren't even worth reading, imo. I'll skip over his like I have so many others in the past.
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