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Offline Porforis  
#31 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:46:33 AM(UTC)

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Nor did Aaron's stat whoring.

Fucking assholes.


Yeah, all that stat whoring with the slants everybody's been screaming at him about when we were having all kinds of success through the air. Clearly we should have just ran the ball, scoring 5 out of the last 6 possessions wasn't enough. We would have scored TDs on all 5 of those possessions if we would have just handed the ball off. Aaron also needs to throw the ball away after 4 seconds even if he's in the pocket or if there's no pressure.

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#32 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:50:28 AM(UTC)

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Give it a break. Tramon was up being physical with a WR. Exactly what we want him to do. His hands hit the WR in the facemask. It wasn't intentional, it happens when playing physical. Woodson, Harris have had it happen also.

The problem was containment of Peterson on the left edge of the defense. He couldn't run up the middle, and had little success to the defensive right. Almost all of his gains was because he was able to bounce outside the defensive left.


Call me a wuss, but immediately going for the facemask at the snap and continuing to go at it for about 10 seconds afterwards when the play clearly wasn't running to his side of the field isn't being physical. It's being stupid, because the WR probably did something dickish to him the previous play. Whether or not the facemask at the beginning was intentional or not doesn't matter anyways, I'm surprised he didn't get ejected for continuing to go after the guy after the play was blown dead.

There's playing physical, and there's being overly aggressive at a very stupid time when you can't afford to be giving free first downs with the game on the line. I'll take a super-smart and disciplined football player over a super-physical football player any day.
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#33 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:47:15 AM(UTC)

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Call me a wuss, but immediately going for the facemask at the snap and continuing to go at it for about 10 seconds afterwards when the play clearly wasn't running to his side of the field isn't being physical. It's being stupid, because the WR probably did something dickish to him the previous play. Whether or not the facemask at the beginning was intentional or not doesn't matter anyways, I'm surprised he didn't get ejected for continuing to go after the guy after the play was blown dead.

There's playing physical, and there's being overly aggressive at a very stupid time when you can't afford to be giving free first downs with the game on the line. I'll take a super-smart and disciplined football player over a super-physical football player any day.


Except, that is not what happened. Tramon was attempting to Jam the WR. And he missed somewhat and hit the guy in the facemask. And they started going after each other, Tramon was pulled down, and they went after each other. It happens all the time. It has happened with Woodson, it has happened with Harris before Tramon. It happens with the Packers WR and defenders at times.


You all want them to be physical, until being physical results in a penalty. Then the same actions that were praised a play earlier becomes stupid.
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#34 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 10:06:04 AM(UTC)

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Except, that is not what happened. Tramon was attempting to Jam the WR. And he missed somewhat and hit the guy in the facemask. And they started going after each other, Tramon was pulled down, and they went after each other. It happens all the time. It has happened with Woodson, it has happened with Harris before Tramon. It happens with the Packers WR and defenders at times.

You all want them to be physical, until being physical results in a penalty. Then the same actions that were praised a play earlier becomes stupid.


I really don't get how you can look at Tramon's facial expression on that play and think "Gee, he's all business and just jamming the WR". If he used half that intensity on Adrian Peterson, maybe Tramon would have had a few more tackles on the game. Regardless, we're disagreeing on intent and we'll never know what his intention was. I also don't understand how anything beyond jamming the WR is "being physical". Yeah, okay he may have screwed up on a jam and hit the guy in a facemask. Dumb mistake but a mistake. Everything after that is extracurricular, the play is on the other side of the field, and completely optional.

I'm not saying Tramon needs to fall to the ground and get into the fetal position, but he doesn't need to drag the guy down with him, get back up and start going at it again after the play was over. That's not being physical, and I can't think of a single circumstance where I would be cheering on such a boneheaded move, and comparing Tramon's discipline issue on that play to Woodson and Harris doesn't really support your argument as Woodson soaks up a ton of penalties, and Harris wasn't much better. Stupid is stupid and myself and many others here will call it out whether it pays off or not.
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#35 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 10:29:13 AM(UTC)

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I really don't get how you can look at Tramon's facial expression on that play and think "Gee, he's all business and just jamming the WR". If he used half that intensity on Adrian Peterson, maybe Tramon would have had a few more tackles on the game. Regardless, we're disagreeing on intent and we'll never know what his intention was. I also don't understand how anything beyond jamming the WR is "being physical". Yeah, okay he may have screwed up on a jam and hit the guy in a facemask. Dumb mistake but a mistake. Everything after that is extracurricular, the play is on the other side of the field, and completely optional.

I'm not saying Tramon needs to fall to the ground and get into the fetal position, but he doesn't need to drag the guy down with him, get back up and start going at it again after the play was over. That's not being physical, and I can't think of a single circumstance where I would be cheering on such a boneheaded move, and comparing Tramon's discipline issue on that play to Woodson and Harris doesn't really support your argument as Woodson soaks up a ton of penalties, and Harris wasn't much better. Stupid is stupid and myself and many others here will call it out whether it pays off or not.


I would like to know how you can look and See his facial expression during that play. I sure as hell can't.

sure, he doesn't NEED to go after him. But, that is easy for us to say from the cheap seats. Its football and it happens. You all sound like a bunch of kids who have never played a physical game. Shit happens and sometimes tempers fly. and this time it happened at a bad time. that is about it.
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#36 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 10:39:51 AM(UTC)

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I would like to see Tramon fall down in front of AP this week. At least then we have a chance of AP tripping and falling. Better odds of a tackle that way.
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#37 Posted : Wednesday, January 2, 2013 1:30:58 PM(UTC)

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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
I would like to know how you can look and See his facial expression during that play. I sure as hell can't.


I should have said "after the play", watching the way he calmly gets up, punches Simpson in the face, gives him two little slaps to the facemask, headbutts him it's clear that he was just defending himself after Simpson half-dragged him down. That's what happens when you show someone they can't be cheap with you in football, right? You get flagged then slap the dude around some more and headbutt him some more? Guess I haven't been paying attention.

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sure, he doesn't NEED to go after him. But, that is easy for us to say from the cheap seats. Its football and it happens. You all sound like a bunch of kids who have never played a physical game. Shit happens and sometimes tempers fly. and this time it happened at a bad time. that is about it.


Kind of like how it's easy for us to say from the cheap seats that players shouldn't commit illegal blocks in the back 5 yards behind the return man on the other side of the field. But it's football and it happens and just because we have the brains to say "Gee, that wasn't a good time to let your anger get the best of you or show him that he can't just push you around without getting hurt back", we're a bunch of kids and wusses. Because only kids and wusses take a look at the good of the team and say that's more important than getting back at somebody that did something you didn't like.
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