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Offline macbob  
#26 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:08:16 PM(UTC)
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Here's my thoughts as Dom Capers on how to stop AP:

Look, the dude's not married, right? Fill his Green Bay hotel bed with a couple of hot bodies to wear him out all night, then he won't have the legs to last four quarters.

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#27 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:27:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
But Zombie.. want a fact.

The Packers ran over 20 times the first game they played the Vikes.. won.. ran 16 times the second game.. lost.

Now.. prove that fact wrong.. or the many that I have posted with regards to running the ball over 20 time vs under and the winning percentages between the two. Your not the only one that pays attention to history. Big Grin


Holy No Ability to Stay On Topic Batman!

We're talking about Dom Capers and stopping the Vikings.
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#28 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:31:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: macbob Go to Quoted Post
Here's my thoughts as Dom Capers on how to stop AP:

Look, the dude's not married, right? Fill his Green Bay hotel bed with a couple of hot bodies to wear him out all night, then he won't have the legs to last four quarters.

Packerchick? 4PackGirl? Whistle



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#29 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:47:46 PM(UTC)
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OK, I can't make it any more clear than this. When the Vikings' QB has a solid day, we lose. When the Vikings' QB has a bad day, we win. AD cannot be stopped. We never stopped him before and we probably won't stop him until 2016.

AD has run 200+ yards and 170+ yards in defeats. It doesn't matter what AD does. What matters is what their QB does.

Here you go. I went back 4 years and there's not a single exception to my thesis. Not one.

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2009
Brett Favre 24-31-271-3-0 Result - 30-23 Vikings
Brett Favre 17-28-244-4-0 Result - 38-26 Vikings

2010
Brett Favre 16-29-212-1-3 Result - Packers 28-24
Brett Favre 17-38-208-0-1 Result - Packers 31-3

2011
Christian Ponder 13-32-219-2-2 Result - Packers 33-27
Christian Ponder 16-34-190-0-1 Result - Packers 45-7

2012
Christian Ponder 12-25-119-1-2 Result - Packers 23-14
Christian Ponder 16-28-234-3-0 Result - Vikings 37-34

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#30 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 2:55:56 PM(UTC)
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What zombieslayer said.

What nerdmann said.

Plus if the Packers are up by 17-21 at the half, it won't matter.
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#31 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 7:27:31 PM(UTC)
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This is why... with AP shut down.. the Vikes have had nothing. We now have a lead built and with maybe another score, we care less if he starts ripping some runs. We only have 17 points and this game is almost sealed.

And yes, he can be contained with a solid front and holding the edges.
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#32 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 7:37:34 PM(UTC)
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And yes, he can be contained with a solid front and holding the edges.


AND the help of Packerchick & 4PackGirl...thanks, ladies!
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#33 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 2:09:47 AM(UTC)
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Just got an email from Dom.

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Dear Zombieslayer,
Thanks for the tips. I've been taking to heart what you wrote. It is all about stopping the pass with the Vikings. Luckily for us, we didn't need to. Joe Webb seemed to enjoy throwing it to ants on the ground instead of Vikings Wide Receivers.

Regardless, you were right. From here on out, we'll let Adrian get his yards and focus more on stopping the pass.

Love,

Dom


So yes, once again, I'm right.

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#34 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 7:40:08 AM(UTC)
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You know, you could have come in and said, yes we can contain AP and without him, they had nothing. And for this game in Lambeau in the cold and with a suspect QB (either Ponder or Webb) it was the right move to sell out for stopping AP.

This thread wasn't about being right or wrong.. it was about taking away the one element of the Vikings for this game.. so we could advance. We did... so take your Dom email and... Big Grin

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#35 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 11:42:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
You know, you could have come in and said, yes we can contain AP and without him, they had nothing. And for this game in Lambeau in the cold and with a suspect QB (either Ponder or Webb) it was the right move to sell out for stopping AP.

This thread wasn't about being right or wrong.. it was about taking away the one element of the Vikings for this game.. so we could advance. We did... so take your Dom email and... Big Grin



Heh. Sometimes I wonder about you, amigo.

I make things so obviously sarcastic that I'd assume everyone would get it. I guess not. Face. Palm.

But what I said in the other thread, I believe. Fate handed us this game. We got lucky, and to be arrogant about beating the Vikings would be a bad thing. Webb Wrecks Grossmanned the Vikings to the point that all 11 defenders could key up on AD. It wasn't even fair. Just a complete joke.

The only good that game out of this game for us besides the victory is we were able to move the chains consistently. That's a good sign.
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#36 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:48:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
The only good that game out of this game for us besides the victory is we were able to move the chains consistently. That's a good sign.


Yeah, but there were a lot of bad signs:

We ended up with only two more yards total offense than the Vikings--326 to 324.

We only won by 14 against a team with their starting QB sitting on the bench, in a game where we won the turnover battle 3-0.

This game should have been a blow out.
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#37 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:03:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: macbob Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, but there were a lot of bad signs:

We ended up with only two more yards total offense than the Vikings--326 to 324.

We only won by 14 against a team with their starting QB sitting on the bench, in a game where we won the turnover battle 3-0.

This game should have been a blow out.


The game was over at halftime, everything after that was garbage time yards. The vikings got a fluke TD on a blown coverage with just a few minutes left in the game when they had absolutely no chance of making it a game.

I wouldn't look too hard at the stats for this game.
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#38 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:06:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: macbob Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, but there were a lot of bad signs:

We ended up with only two more yards total offense than the Vikings--326 to 324.

We only won by 14 against a team with their starting QB sitting on the bench, in a game where we won the turnover battle 3-0.

This game should have been a blow out.


It was never as close as the score would suggest.

Pretty much the whole second half, they knew we were gonna run it just to burn clock.
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#39 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:16:17 PM(UTC)
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Stats smats. We won. It was a playoff game. Gift wraped or not fuck it. A good team performance. Offense, Defense, and special teams all showed up. The queens defense is not bad and we shredded them passing and running. One thing we need to clean up is communication it seems like people get deep on us more times than not. But it looks like with Woody back he shuts down that slot plus his aggressiveness against AP. Looks like the ageless wonder. DAMN we've missed him.
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#40 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 6:52:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Heh. Sometimes I wonder about you, amigo.

I make things so obviously sarcastic that I'd assume everyone would get it. I guess not. Face. Palm.

But what I said in the other thread, I believe. Fate handed us this game. We got lucky, and to be arrogant about beating the Vikings would be a bad thing. Webb Wrecks Grossmanned the Vikings to the point that all 11 defenders could key up on AD. It wasn't even fair. Just a complete joke.

The only good that game out of this game for us besides the victory is we were able to move the chains consistently. That's a good sign.


Me and sarcasm are not bed fellows.. there is no doubt about it in this media.

But I will agree.. there is no reason to be arrogant about this win. But we did what we had to do to take the next step into the playoffs. Stop AP from taking over the game.
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#41 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:12:46 PM(UTC)
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Me and sarcasm are not bed fellows.. there is no doubt about it in this media.

But I will agree.. there is no reason to be arrogant about this win. But we did what we had to do to take the next step into the playoffs. Stop AP from taking over the game.


Alright. Sarcasm aside, I'll shoot straight.

We stopped AD because their QB situation was so bad, we could throw 11 people at AD. It was a joke. If the Vikings had an all All-Star OL and an All-Star FB, then it might have been more fair.

I'm not gonna gloat about this win. We didn't stop AD. Joe Webb stopped AD.

That's what I was getting at.
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#42 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:20:03 PM(UTC)
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See and what I am saying is it really wouldn't have mattered with Ponder either.. he of zero starts in cold weather. He that needs the play action to assist him at this point. Could have he shocked the world again.. possibly.. but not probable.

Oh and if that is your honest opinion.. I really am at a loss with your sarcasm. lol.

AP drives that offense.. much like Rodgers drives ours. Take them out at their strength.

At the end of the day... we just believe in different fundamentals in the game of football.
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#43 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:42:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Alright. Sarcasm aside, I'll shoot straight.

We stopped AD because their QB situation was so bad, we could throw 11 people at AD. It was a joke. If the Vikings had an all All-Star OL and an All-Star FB, then it might have been more fair.

I'm not gonna gloat about this win. We didn't stop AD. Joe Webb stopped AD.

That's what I was getting at.


Well, maybe. Can you imagine what the Vikings might have done with Webb's running ability AND AD if the Packer defense had played as undisciplined (especially the linebackers) as they did a week ago?

AD got 99 yards. That's a good day for anyone but him. So they didn't shut him down. But the D played disciplined and fundamental football and that was sufficient to contain him at the level of "good". Sure, not having a pass option with Webb helped. But I'm not sure the difference between what Ponder offered and what Webb offered. Based on what I've seen of the two, the difference seems to be that Ponder throws fluff balls that allow DBs to close and/or intercept, whereas Webb throws bounce passes that no one can catch.

I'm bugged about the second half. It's like after the Pack went up by 21 no one on either team seemed to care anymore. They went from fighting hard to putting in the time until the end. Were it not for the lack of removing starters, most of the second half looked like a preseason second-half not like a postseason one.

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