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Offline nerdmann  
#51 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 7:42:44 PM(UTC)
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Anyone see Dungy and Harrison break it down at the half?

"This is what makes Aaron Rodgers the playmaker he is. He has Finley open underneath, but he doesn't want that 5 yards. He wants Nelson deep on a triple move."
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#52 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 7:51:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Anyone see Dungy and Harrison break it down at the half?

"This is what makes Aaron Rodgers the playmaker he is. He has Finley open underneath, but he doesn't want that 5 yards. He wants Nelson deep on a triple move."


He is taking the dump passes to Harris. This is just a sweet added weapon. It is like what we were doing with Green, but this guy seems to pound the Defence a little more when he runs. Slow drives work for me. It scares me the big play shit that we do all the time. It reminds me of old Buffalo Bills football where they won a lot, but they played so fast their defence didn't get much time to rest.

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#53 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 8:34:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Anyone see Dungy and Harrison break it down at the half?

"This is what makes Aaron Rodgers the playmaker he is. He has Finley open underneath, but he doesn't want that 5 yards. He wants Nelson deep on a triple move."


Agreed... but this is where your logic fails. If Rodgers really only cared about the stats.. he is going to take this mid routes all day long, complete a high percentage, save his body (to chase those records) and just keep rolling up numbers.

In this case... You know if he didn't care about scoring right before half time to possibly ice the game he might take the under route for half the yardage in place of the what 3 yard line.

So.. how is waiting to connect deep really helping his stat chase as you put it? And by the way.. go back and queue some mid career Brett film.. he was going for the homerun on almost every throw.. even if it was risky.
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#54 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 9:10:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Agreed... but this is where your logic fails. If Rodgers really only cared about the stats.. he is going to take this mid routes all day long, complete a high percentage, save his body (to chase those records) and just keep rolling up numbers.

In this case... You know if he didn't care about scoring right before half time to possibly ice the game he might take the under route for half the yardage in place of the what 3 yard line.

So.. how is waiting to connect deep really helping his stat chase as you put it? And by the way.. go back and queue some mid career Brett film.. he was going for the homerun on almost every throw.. even if it was risky.


I criticized Brett too.

Nice to see all those dump offs to Harris today.
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#55 Posted : Saturday, January 5, 2013 9:45:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
I criticized Brett too.

Nice to see all those dump offs to Harris today.


Rodgers has been taking the quick and/or check down throws often lately, and has for some time. Regardless of your opinion, this offense is built around the big play. That comes from the coaches down. The system is designed to move the ball down the field, not dink and dunk like some teams do. That aggressive approach, as was stated in the commentary tonight, is what makes Rodgers so dangerous. It's going to result in some sacks sometimes, but it also results in having one of the best offenses in the league, a super bowl championship recently, and back-to-back division titles. You may not like it, but unfortunately you're not an NFL coach designing a system. If McCarthy wanted more of a true west coast type of offense, I'm sure he would make it happen. That is obviously not the case. Most the plays are designed to look medium to deep first, and then check down if Rodgers has enough time. That's the biggest issue with dumping the ball off most the time is the quick pressure that forces Rodgers to scramble, undoubtedly making it more difficult to see the entire field. Fortunately, Rodgers is as good as any in doing so, though.

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#56 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:16:15 AM(UTC)
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Sitting at the game gives you a perspective you can not see on tv. All night long I watched Aaron Rodgers throwing to guys working themselves into the open. You can see it at the stadium 5 seconds before the throw. So while you sit on your butt watching the tv nerdmann complaining that he is going deep too much there are guys getting open and there is no reason not throw get the ball to them.
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#57 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 10:48:11 AM(UTC)
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Here is the break down on Aaron Rodgers attempted passes as reported by NFL.com.
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• 1st Quarter
1-10-GB 29 (9:20) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 18-R.Cobb to GB 36 for 7 yards (33-J.Sanford).
3-1-GB 38 (8:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 26-D.Harris.
2-8-GB 33 (4:06) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 26-D.Harris pushed ob at GB 49 for 16 yards (33-J.Sanford).
2-9- (3:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 88-J.Finley to MIN 40 for 10 yards (52-C.Greenway, 50-E.Henderson).
2-6-MIN 36 (2:22) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 26-D.Harris to MIN 24 for 12 yards (26-A.Winfield; 50-E.Henderson).
2-11-MIN 25 (1:10) (No Huddle) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 25-R.Grant to MIN 9 for 16 yards (33-J.Sanford).
Deep 0 Short 6 Sack 0

• 2nd Quarter
2-2-GB 44 (12:23) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 26-D.Harris to MIN 49 for 7 yards (52-C.Greenway).
2-11- (11:12) (No Huddle) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at GB 42 for -8 yards (69-J.Allen).
3-19-GB 42 (10:34) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 85-G.Jennings to MIN 45 for 13 yards (22-H.Smith).
2-6-GB 31 (7:53) (No Huddle) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 83-T.Crabtree to GB 41 for 10 yards (52-C.Greenway, 50-E.Henderson).
1-10-GB 41 (7:17) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep right to 89-J.Jones to MIN 39 for 20 yards (22-H.Smith).
2-8-MIN 37 (6:10) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 89-J.Jones to MIN 34 for 3 yards (20-C.Cook, 26-A.Winfield).
3-5-MIN 34 (5:26) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to 87-J.Nelson.
4-5-MIN 34 (5:20) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 85-G.Jennings pushed ob at MIN 2 for 32 yards (41-M.Raymond).
2-1-MIN 1 (4:09) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 88-J.Finley.
1-10-GB 38 (1:48) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 87-J.Nelson to MIN 40 for 22 yards (52-C.Greenway).
1-10-MIN 40 (1:23) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 85-G.Jennings to MIN 26 for 14 yards (22-H.Smith).
1-10-MIN 26 (:56) (No Huddle) 12-A.Rodgers pass deep right to 87-J.Nelson pushed ob at MIN 3 for 23 yards (24-A.Jefferson).
1-3-MIN 3 (:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 87-J.Nelson.
Deep 3 Short 9 Sack 1

• 3rd Quarter
3-2-GB 28 (13:58) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 89-J.Jones to GB 37 for 9 yards (24-A.Jefferson).
1-10-GB 37 (13:28) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at GB 33 for -4 yards (97-E.Griffen).
3-4-GB 43 (12:12) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 89-J.Jones to MIN 38 for 19 yards (22-H.Smith, 50-E.Henderson) [69-J.Allen].
1-10-MIN 38 (11:36) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 26-D.Harris to MIN 34 for 4 yards (50-E.Henderson).
2-6-MIN 34 (11:01) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 26-D.Harris to MIN 20 for 14 yards (22-H.Smith).
2-4-MIN 14 (9:45) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to 30-J.Kuhn.
3-4-MIN 14 (9:35) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to 88-J.Finley (22-H.Smith).
1-9-MIN 9 (9:32) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short middle to 30-J.Kuhn for 9 yards,
3-15-GB 40 (2:38) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to 18-R.Cobb.
Deep 0 Short 8 Sack 1

• 4th Quarter
3-4-GB 14 (14:18) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep left to 85-G.Jennings.
3-9-MIN 38 (12:39) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to 87-J.Nelson.

1-10-GB 31 (10:40) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 85-G.Jennings to GB 33 for 2 yards (20-C.Cook).
2-8-GB 33 (10:02) 12-A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep middle to 85-G.Jennings (98-L.Guion) [69-J.Allen].
3-8-GB 33 (9:57) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 30-J.Kuhn to GB 39 for 6 yards (52-C.Greenway).
3-8-GB 45 (5:03) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at GB 33 for -12 yards (99-C.Ballard).
3-5-GB 25 (3:25) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 87-J.Nelson to GB 31 for 6 yards (24-A.Jefferson).
2-12-GB 29 (2:00) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right to 82-R.Taylor to GB 29 for no gain (20-C.Cook).
Deep 3 Short 4 Sack 1

Totals:
Deep 6 Short 27 Sack 3

Deep pass results:
2nd Q 20 yard gain/ Incomplete / 23 yard gain
4th Q 3 Incomplete

Down and distance when Sacked:
2nd & 11
1st & 10
3rd & 8


6 deep passes out of 33. (9 out of 36 is you assume all sacks where going to be deep passes.) This hardly looks like a guy who is loading up for the deep passes all the time.

On two of the sacks they needed a little more than a short dunk. It is stupid to throw the ball 5 yards when you need 8 and hope the receiver gets the rest of the yards unless he is totally open like Harris was a couple of times.

3 of the incomplete deep passes were in the 4th Q when the game was more or less already determined. One can argue that GB was still trying to keep their foot on the petal and push the ball down field and score again like fans scream for all the time.
One of the deep passes was just before the half and like pack93 says time dictated the need to throw deep.
I am sure everyone but a select special few understand that teams, all teams need to take a few shots down field during the game. The only way to stretch the defense and make room of the underneath game is to keep the safeties back and you do that by sending receivers deep on a consistent basis and then actually throwing them the ball some of the time.
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#58 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 11:47:14 AM(UTC)
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - football evolves. You cannot run Bart Starr's offense and expect it to do well today. You cannot run Joe Montana's offense and expect it to do well today.

Things keep changing. The WCO is outdated (but its concepts are used by all 32 teams). If you run a strictly WCO, enjoy watching the Playoffs from home.
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#59 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:14:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers has been taking the quick and/or check down throws often lately, and has for some time. Regardless of your opinion, this offense is built around the big play. That comes from the coaches down. The system is designed to move the ball down the field, not dink and dunk like some teams do. That aggressive approach, as was stated in the commentary tonight, is what makes Rodgers so dangerous. It's going to result in some sacks sometimes, but it also results in having one of the best offenses in the league, a super bowl championship recently, and back-to-back division titles. You may not like it, but unfortunately you're not an NFL coach designing a system. If McCarthy wanted more of a true west coast type of offense, I'm sure he would make it happen. That is obviously not the case. Most the plays are designed to look medium to deep first, and then check down if Rodgers has enough time. That's the biggest issue with dumping the ball off most the time is the quick pressure that forces Rodgers to scramble, undoubtedly making it more difficult to see the entire field. Fortunately, Rodgers is as good as any in doing so, though.



I agree, this offense is built around the big play. Part of it is MM, it's not just AR.

They both want to obliterate Favre from the record books.

They also know that they have to start playing "for real" as the playoffs approach. Hence you have a team that underperforms all season, then "starts peaking at the right time."
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#60 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:16:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Here is the break down on Aaron Rodgers attempted passes as reported by NFL.com.


6 deep passes out of 33. (9 out of 36 is you assume all sacks where going to be deep passes.) This hardly looks like a guy who is loading up for the deep passes all the time.

On two of the sacks they needed a little more than a short dunk. It is stupid to throw the ball 5 yards when you need 8 and hope the receiver gets the rest of the yards unless he is totally open like Harris was a couple of times.

3 of the incomplete deep passes were in the 4th Q when the game was more or less already determined. One can argue that GB was still trying to keep their foot on the petal and push the ball down field and score again like fans scream for all the time.
One of the deep passes was just before the half and like pack93 says time dictated the need to throw deep.
I am sure everyone but a select special few understand that teams, all teams need to take a few shots down field during the game. The only way to stretch the defense and make room of the underneath game is to keep the safeties back and you do that by sending receivers deep on a consistent basis and then actually throwing them the ball some of the time.


Drink every time the announcers say "coverage sack."
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#61 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:21:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
I've said it before and I'll say it again - football evolves. You cannot run Bart Starr's offense and expect it to do well today. You cannot run Joe Montana's offense and expect it to do well today.

Things keep changing. The WCO is outdated (but its concepts are used by all 32 teams). If you run a strictly WCO, enjoy watching the Playoffs from home.


You can't run Starr's offense, because they changed the rules to favor the passing game. The WCO was developed to take advantage of these rule changes. It is based on fundamentals, high percentage passing. This does not mean ONLY short passes. When the DBs start to cheat up to jump the slants and short passes, then you throw deep over their heads.

It also involves alot of misdirection in the forms of screens and traps.

Now granted, the NFL has been favoring offenses nowadays to promote high scoring games and tv-ratings-grabbing highlight reels. So yes, maybe that does favor us a little. There are many rules now that hurt the defense, which I do believe are surreptitiously meant to help offenses. But I'm a pretty conservative guy. I like to adhere to fundamentals. To me, high percentage=success.

It's not like Jerry Rice and John Taylor never had long scoring plays. Our guys can get YAC too.
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#62 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:35:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
You can't run Starr's offense, because they changed the rules to favor the passing game. The WCO was developed to take advantage of these rule changes. It is based on fundamentals, high percentage passing. This does not mean ONLY short passes. When the DBs start to cheat up to jump the slants and short passes, then you throw deep over their heads.

It also involves alot of misdirection in the forms of screens and traps.

Now granted, the NFL has been favoring offenses nowadays to promote high scoring games and tv-ratings-grabbing highlight reels. So yes, maybe that does favor us a little. There are many rules now that hurt the defense, which I do believe are surreptitiously meant to help offenses. But I'm a pretty conservative guy. I like to adhere to fundamentals. To me, high percentage=success.

It's not like Jerry Rice and John Taylor never had long scoring plays. Our guys can get YAC too.


I totally get where you're coming from. But high percentage has changed. You're NOT gonna find quick slants as high percentage passes. LBs will be waiting to either smack the **** out of your WR or pick it off.

Defenses have evolved to take away the strengths of the WCO. So now, we gotta do something different.

Mike McCarthy's O is the shit. Seriously. It is. We setup deep and medium route passes and Aaron Rodgers is one of the few QB's in the NFL who can complete them consistently. Be thankful.

One thing that does suck - our OL isn't giving Aaron the time we need to give Aaron. If our OL was one measly second better, we'd be winning the SB with ease (of course, given our D remains in the top 10).
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#63 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 12:37:32 PM(UTC)
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Drink every time the announcers say "coverage sack."


I'm gonna want to have more than 2 drinks sorry.
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#64 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:03:51 PM(UTC)
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I totally get where you're coming from. But high percentage has changed. You're NOT gonna find quick slants as high percentage passes. LBs will be waiting to either smack the **** out of your WR or pick it off.

Defenses have evolved to take away the strengths of the WCO. So now, we gotta do something different.

Mike McCarthy's O is the shit. Seriously. It is. We setup deep and medium route passes and Aaron Rodgers is one of the few QB's in the NFL who can complete them consistently. Be thankful.

One thing that does suck - our OL isn't giving Aaron the time we need to give Aaron. If our OL was one measly second better, we'd be winning the SB with ease (of course, given our D remains in the top 10).


You're talking about Lovey's 'cover two' scheme. True, they try to take away slants. But a normal WCO also has screens and traps. It's not just based upon one concept. The concept is, do this until they take that away, then take advantage of THAT weakness, which is left open. If the CB covers you to the inside, you go to the outside. We see this with those back shoulder plays. Haven't been hitting them as consistently this season, because our timing's been off.

Aaron's unique ability to throw accurately deep, combined with the talent Ted has given us at WR (and TE) are what make this offense. This affords Mike the ability to get out of what would normally be fundamentals and key on "matchups."

IMO, matchups AND fundamentals would be even more bitchin. Long as we win it all, I guess it's all good.
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#65 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:16:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
I agree, this offense is built around the big play. Part of it is MM, it's not just AR.

They both want to obliterate Favre from the record books.


If you're going to troll, don't spit out the same line over and over. It makes it very obvious.
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#66 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:29:45 PM(UTC)
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If you're going to troll, don't spit out the same line over and over. It makes it very obvious.


He's not trolling - it is an observation he believes in and I don't think he is all that off base on his thinking. Like or not, Favre was a prick his last five years in GB. I don't think McCarthey liked him all that much, and I'm sure Rodgers set the bar that high to break Favre's records along with winning.

Favre is not the demigod a lot of Packers think he is. He acted like a petulant child when he arrived in GB, and left as a diva. Professionalism wasn't his thing, because his reputation was built on his talent.
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#67 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:38:39 PM(UTC)
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He's not trolling - it is an observation he believes in and I don't think he is all that off base on his thinking. Like or not, Favre was a prick his last five years in GB. I don't think McCarthey liked him all that much, and I'm sure Rodgers set the bar that high to break Favre's records along with winning.

Favre is not the demigod a lot of Packers think he is. He acted like a petulant child when he arrived in GB, and left as a diva. Professionalism wasn't his thing, because his reputation was built on his talent.


lol Didn't know that was in dispute.

Aaron makes no secret of how the situation continues to "motive him."
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#68 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 3:36:58 PM(UTC)
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Nobody's gonna get Favre's records. Peyton Manning is gonna come closest and he might get some of them. But Aaron's not gonna get any of them. Nothing against Aaron. He's gonna retire a better QB than Favre. But simply put, Favre played too many games for his records to be broken. So I don't even think Mike McCarthy even considers Favre's records.

I know you believe that Nerd, but in this case, with all due respect, you're wrong. Aaron's gotta play another 13 or 14 years without injury and the chances of that happening are slim. I don't see Aaron playing another 10.
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#69 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 6:23:06 PM(UTC)
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Aaron Rodgers cares about nothing else other than winning Super Bowls. Sure, other individual achievements may cross their mind here and there, but the desire to be a champion trumps everything else. It's not even close. To say otherwise is silly. I could care less if Rodgers never breaks any of Favre's records, so long as he wins a few more championships, and I'm sure he feels the same. Rodgers has said before that he wants to win a few championships, and likely retire. He knows that's what really matters and means the most in the long-run, regardless of anything Favre did or did not do. He's not in competition with Favre, he's in competition with current NFL teams. Would he like to break some of Favre's records? Sure. Who the hell wouldn't? What player wouldn't like to break any monumental NFL milestones. However, I can say with some certainly that most would trade multiple championships, especially as a key contributor, to individual success. Obviously the best of both worlds would be to do both, and we should all hope all Packer players do such things, as that would likely result in an elite team. If the Packers would truly a "stat padding" team, we would see a lot more running up the score like the Saints and Patriots do. The Packers rarely do that, much to the dismay of some Packer fans. Once they secure a win, they get fairly conservative and move forward.

What a silly argument Nerd continually tries to make. Dakota is right, he's entitled to his opinion, even if it's completely wrong and nonsensical.
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#70 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 6:47:12 PM(UTC)
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I've said it before and I'll say it again - football evolves. You cannot run Bart Starr's offense and expect it to do well today. You cannot run Joe Montana's offense and expect it to do well today.

Things keep changing. The WCO is outdated (but its concepts are used by all 32 teams). If you run a strictly WCO, enjoy watching the Playoffs from home.


I agree to a point, I think it is more cyclical on the defensive side.. fadish even. 3-4 comes in prominance.. then the 4-3... every now in then someone brings something to the table.. 46 for instance. People study it, rip some parts from it.. then incorporate it into the other base packages.

The offenses to a point do the same thing.. the spread that is all the rage.. go back and look at the run and shoot offenses. The pistol is about the only "new" evolving formation.. heck even the Packers ran the inverted wishbone some this year.. old school. RGIII is running a modified option offense for example.

The rules however are allowing some evolution to a degree if the route tree and the percentage of pass verses run.. but even that is a pattern. IE.. the fact that the Packers were forced to take defenses out of the two deep with runs and screens.. plays of that nature.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#71 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 7:41:12 PM(UTC)
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Aaron Rodgers cares about nothing else other than winning Super Bowls. Sure, other individual achievements may cross their mind here and there, but the desire to be a champion trumps everything else. It's not even close. To say otherwise is silly. I could care less if Rodgers never breaks any of Favre's records, so long as he wins a few more championships, and I'm sure he feels the same. Rodgers has said before that he wants to win a few championships, and likely retire. He knows that's what really matters and means the most in the long-run, regardless of anything Favre did or did not do. He's not in competition with Favre, he's in competition with current NFL teams. Would he like to break some of Favre's records? Sure. Who the hell wouldn't? What player wouldn't like to break any monumental NFL milestones. However, I can say with some certainly that most would trade multiple championships, especially as a key contributor, to individual success. Obviously the best of both worlds would be to do both, and we should all hope all Packer players do such things, as that would likely result in an elite team. If the Packers would truly a "stat padding" team, we would see a lot more running up the score like the Saints and Patriots do. The Packers rarely do that, much to the dismay of some Packer fans. Once they secure a win, they get fairly conservative and move forward.

What a silly argument Nerd continually tries to make. Dakota is right, he's entitled to his opinion, even if it's completely wrong and nonsensical.


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#72 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 8:24:40 PM(UTC)
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Anyone who starts at the QB position for more than 20 years is bound to put up numbers. I wouldn't be surprise if Aaron played for 20 years he'd be somewhere close to that but with less Interceptions and a ton more Lombardi's
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#73 Posted : Sunday, January 6, 2013 10:17:54 PM(UTC)
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Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy are obsessed with topping Favres amount of Super bowl championships. Idiots... they need to grow up and focus on football.
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#74 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 7:48:56 AM(UTC)
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I think it was a NFL Network interview where Rodgers said "you earn your pay-cheque in the regular season, and your legacy in the playoffs". I like that and I am glad that is how he views things as a Packer fan.
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#75 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 8:57:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Go to Quoted Post
I think it was a NFL Network interview where Rodgers said "you earn your pay-cheque in the regular season, and your legacy in the playoffs". I like that and I am glad that is how he views things as a Packer fan.


Aaron would not have said it with that darn English accent you just gave him.
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