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Offline Pack93z  
#51 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 9:08:55 AM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Boykin I would agree with. Not Ross though. Just over a month up from the practice squad and primarily doing nothing but Special teams.


But there is also the element of Cobb coming off an injury and who else would return kicks if something came up and Cobb not available? Ross was an insurance policy so to speak of.. as what other options are there past Cobb?

Personally, with Cobb nicked.. I would leave Ross back for all returns.
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#52 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 9:10:50 AM(UTC)
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Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
On the other hand, neither Boykin nor Ross have shown us much of anything significant in their limited opportunities, and who knows how they'll hold up under pressure in the postseason. If it's 4th and goal from the 6 with 20 seconds left in the super bowl and we're down 6, who do you want out there as the #4 - Driver, Ross, or Boykin? I'm also in the "DD should have retired last year" camp but I haven't seen enough of Ross or Boykin in high-pressure situations to make me more comfortable with them than Driver.


From the 6, speed does not matter as much so DD could be in the mix Driver might do a better job of "legally" pushing off the defender and getting open. That said Donald has dropped more than his share this year and last year so he is no guarantee to make the catch any more than the young guys.

From the 30 and beyond the answer would be Ross or Boykin.

I am in neither camp on when should Driver retire. I am willing to accept the judgement of those who actually know football players and their abilities. Therefore to answer your original question I want the players who Mike sends out on to the field. He sees them in practical and knows.

The reason it was nice to keep Driver on the roster this years was injuries. He may not have made a lot of catches but it was nice to have someone with his experience as a backup when other receivers were not able to play.
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#53 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 9:12:24 AM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Boykin I would agree with. Not Ross though. Just over a month up from the practice squad and primarily doing nothing but Special teams.


I was referring to his special team play not his receiving abilities. Sorry to have been too vague.
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#54 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 9:16:42 AM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Every kickoff? All 3 times including the last onside kick that he grabbed and walked OB with? Boykin did not practice all week and I don't expect him to be ready to go unless possibly for the SB when we get there.

The question is, if Nelson should aggrivate his Hammy, and goes down, are we better off with Ross or Driver as the replacement for our #4 WR? We can sit back and take touchbacks and go from the 20 if the worry over getting Cobb hurt is that big. Better have him fair catch all punts in that case also. But the damage to the offensive gameplan would be far worse if Ross has to become our #4.


You can't just assume, pre-game, that the Vikings will put points on the board just twice and that one of those will be followed up with an onside kick.

On the contrary, I figured that, between a kicker who's good from anywhere within 60 yards, an option QB and with the best running back in the league by far, we'd take quite a few points from field goals with them stalling in the redzone.

If that's the case, Ross touches the ball 5 or 6 times. You just can't predict that.

And yes, I'd take Cobb off of punt returns, as well, now that we have a good 2nd option who's not as important to our offensive gameplan.

I remember having this discussion about Tramon Williams in the past.

I get it when you have a guy like Patrick Peterson, who's just head and shoulders above the rest of the return team in Arizona, but whenever you have a back-up who's doing just as good a job, why not go with him?

And good point on Boykin, of course. But that doesn't change anything. Ross has been with the team for the entire season, as well. He should know the offense. He should be able to catch a ball. I reckon his route running still isn't that crisp, as that was one of his main knocks coming out of college, but with his speed, fluidity and shiftiness he should be able to get some kind of seperation... Something Driver can't do anymore.

Leadership, knowledge etc are all good and well, but when you can't keep up physically, it's little use. I know he compensates with smarts, but there's only so much compensation you can do.

I know his snap count was way higher than Ross' or Boykin's, but I don't see what he, at this point in his career, brings to the field that one of those young guys couldn't.

Take, next to the numbers that I previously mentioned, that he makes one reception every 19 offensive snaps that he's in the game... That's not very pretty. That means that he both doesn't get a whole lot of snaps, even in an injury-riddled WR group, and when he does, he doesn't even do a whole lot with them.

In all honesty, if one of our receivers went down again, I'd go three receiver sets before I'd sent in either Driver, Ross or Boykin. We have Harris, we have Green, we have Kuhn. From our RB group alone you could get some nice passing yardage. Then add to that that we're still carrying four TEs and there's enough ways to come out pretty strong, without having to rely on Driver.
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Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
But there is also the element of Cobb coming off an injury and who else would return kicks if something came up and Cobb not available? Ross was an insurance policy so to speak of.. as what other options are there past Cobb?

Personally, with Cobb nicked.. I would leave Ross back for all returns.


This, and I believe I've seen Ross on punt/k.o. coverage as well.

Also, as Rockmolder mentioned, in the event that one of the top 4 wrs go down it's not like this team has to stick with 4 wr sets. They've been using TEs and extra rbs in pass pro who can easily slide into the open for a checkdown such as we've seen with Crabtree, Kuhn, and Harris.

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#57 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 12:00:39 PM(UTC)
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
From the 6, speed does not matter as much so DD could be in the mix Driver might do a better job of "legally" pushing off the defender and getting open. That said Donald has dropped more than his share this year and last year so he is no guarantee to make the catch any more than the young guys.

From the 30 and beyond the answer would be Ross or Boykin.


I am in neither camp on when should Driver retire. I am willing to accept the judgement of those who actually know football players and their abilities. Therefore to answer your original question I want the players who Mike sends out on to the field. He sees them in practical and knows.

The reason it was nice to keep Driver on the roster this years was injuries. He may not have made a lot of catches but it was nice to have someone with his experience as a backup when other receivers were not able to play.


Agree 100%. I think we might be able to use DD's roster spot for something more useful, but if Nelson and someone else (Finley included) went down, we could use another more physical WR in certain situations. No need to have 4 speedsters and Crabby out on the field, everyone brings something different to the table.
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#58 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 3:13:42 PM(UTC)
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A couple of Driver tweets.. yes he noticed and I don't think these are a coincidence.

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Donald Driver ‏@Donald_Driver80

My boy @Ravens Ray Lewis will walk out of the tunnel for the last time at M&T Bank Stadium. #Atruerolemodel#



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Donald Driver ‏@Donald_Driver80

Ravens and Colts game was a special moment. To see my boy Ray Lewis giving the Love. Awesome! Amazing! Congrats Ray!!!!!!
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#59 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 6:43:47 PM(UTC)
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Okay.. now this a bit much.

https://www.facebook.com/ActivateDonaldDriver

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Donald Driver has been a great asset to the Green Bay Packers and our community. As fans, lets join together, like this page, and convince the Packers to re-activate Donald Driver. Lets have Donald Driver end this season with a smile on his face!
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#60 Posted : Monday, January 7, 2013 8:04:53 PM(UTC)
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That will have Ted quivering in his boots.
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