Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
7 Pages<1234>»
Options
View
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline Wade  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 9, 2013 7:34:20 AM(UTC)
Wade

Rank: All Pro

Joined: 8/1/2009(UTC)
Location: nowhere of importance

Applause Given: 663
Applause Received: 670

I've owned two guns in my life.

A Colt .45 Combat Commander. Yes, semi-auto. Not sure why I bought it anymore. Probably because it looked cool made me feel macho. Soon realized I couldn't hit a damn thing with it. Being weak in the wrist, couldn't handle the recoil. ROFL.

A Winchester 94 30-30. Plain as can be. IMO one of the greatest rifles ever made. My hunting rifle. Where I hunted, there was a lot of brush -- never saw the point of getting a scope or a 30-06 that most people had. I wasn't going to have that long of a sight line unless I was shooting across roads or fields (one of which is illegal and the other of which I almost never was in a position to do -- I was always a driver, not a drive-to.

Don't have either one of them anymore. Getting rid of the .45 was surprisingly easy -- after all, like I said, I'd need a barn size target to hit anything. Letting the 30-30 go was painful, though, and every time like this I remember it, I get sad. Sometimes still to the point of regret. That was a great rifle. More, it was my dad's, and had serious sentimental value. But there's not much point to having a rifle in Iowa. Stupid flat state.

Damn that was a sweet rifle.




And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
Offline Cheesey  
#17 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:43:59 PM(UTC)
Cheesey

Rank: Most Valuable Player

Joined: 7/28/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 170
Applause Received: 371

Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
Ive commented on thid forum in the past about gun control and talked to others about it also.

The big issue is this - I feel like I'd like a gun and feel Id be sane to only use it when needed (to get rid of unwanted trash (j/k)) - but the problem is there are people out there that you cant trust with such a weapon - actually quite a bit.

So Id rather have laws that severely limit the amount of guns in the US then have them become so rampant that kids in school need metal detectors because they never know whom might bring one. Let alone outside people going to schools and shooting people.

The whole argument about people kill people and guns dont ... sure but crazy, mad, upset, irrational, depressed, curious, people do it also and guns make it alot easier.

me and my wife are thinking about moving back to the states and to be honest all the deaths and even seeing signs around at the bars in wisconsin about no concealed carry etc worries me. Heck my wife grew up in northern ireland and is really opposed to guns.

I honestly wonder how many people (children, adults, parents, friends etc) must die to shootings before change takes effect.

After living in london for the past 5 years I really feel the states should adapt much more control - perhaps not as strict as the UK but much more then there is ...

(not that the UK is perfect but some things are IMO better)


See, here lies the problem. You can "outlaw" guns all you want. But that does NOTHING to keep them out of the hands of those that you SHOULD be afraid of having guns, meaning, the bad people.
They already don't abide by the rules/laws, so more laws is the answer?
I don't understand why people don't understand that concept.
And as i have already said, it doesn't work. ALL the countries that have tried to outlaw guns have made it harder for honest good people to defend themselves when attacked. That's ALL it has done. Violent crime has risen in all those coutries.
And today i saw a guy on the local news, try to hold up a convienience store here using a knife. The little petite woman behind the counter pulled a gun, and without firing a shot caused the guy to run out of the store with nothing.
Just one more time a gun in the hands of a GOOD person, stopped a crime.
(And they did catch the guy later!)
One of the few times it was reported on the news!
UserPostedImage
Offline GermanGilbert  
#18 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:31:13 PM(UTC)
GermanGilbert

Rank: 4th Round Draft Pick

Joined: 11/18/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 34
Applause Received: 86

Originally Posted by: Cheesey Go to Quoted Post
See, here lies the problem. You can "outlaw" guns all you want. But that does NOTHING to keep them out of the hands of those that you SHOULD be afraid of having guns, meaning, the bad people.
They already don't abide by the rules/laws, so more laws is the answer?
I don't understand why people don't understand that concept.


To be honest, I really don't understand it.

USA (legal): 10.310 murders with guns p.a. (3.45 dead people per 100.000)
Germany (illegal): 155 murders with guns p.a. (0.19 dead people per 100.000)

If the concept is to let 17.5 people die instead of 1, I highly doubt it's a good one.

Edit: And having a gun to protect yourself when anyone tries to kill you won't work out either. If you only have a gun to protect yourself, it'll be your first shot in your life. Guess who's more experienced and therefore quicker, you or the guy who want to shoot you?
blank
Offline Zero2Cool  
#19 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:44:38 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool

Rank: Legend

Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI

Applause Given: 1,885
Applause Received: 2,082

Originally Posted by: GermanGilbert Go to Quoted Post
Edit: And having a gun to protect yourself when anyone tries to kill you won't work out either. If you only have a gun to protect yourself, it'll be your first shot in your life. Guess who's more experienced and therefore quicker, you or the guy who want to shoot you?


If you own a gun to protect yourself and you don't regularly take it out at a gun range, what's the point? That's like buying a Lamborghini and leaving it sit covered in the garage.
UserPostedImage
Offline dfosterf  
#20 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:49:21 PM(UTC)
dfosterf

Rank: All Pro

United States
Joined: 8/19/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 177
Applause Received: 394

For Starters.

There will be no real gun control until we as a nation abandon the PC nonsense and admit that young uneducated black men shoot one another at an extremely high rate.


...and whitey trusts very few black folk. Homie shoots one -another right and left, this cannot be good for your average redneck reader.

Maybe whitey ought to come off the drugs they are buying off homie.

The boofers look dumber, mostly incredibly dumb, in my life experiences,to the point that smart is invigorating and exceptional.

...talk about feeding the rednecks...

This is what whitey thinks...

My best bud calls me up after YEARS of non-communication...

He doesn't say hello.

He says,

"They MAKE YOU HATE THEM",
then he tells me the story, whatever it might be. (He's not talking about Snow White)

Gun control will not be solved until whitey do no hate blackey, and that ain't happen' on our watch, as, WE DON'T LIKE ONE ANOTHER, as a rule...

And whitey wants guns for the last defense...

PC may have a chance, I don't think so. That is the BEGINNING of hard-core reality, someone must bring it, I reckon it should be me.

At least here. Someone explain why my friend is wrong.

Edited by user Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:05:56 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

UserPostedImage
damn skippy I'm an owner. I currently own a full .00001924537805515393 % of the Green Bay Packers.



Offline GermanGilbert  
#21 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 5:54:49 PM(UTC)
GermanGilbert

Rank: 4th Round Draft Pick

Joined: 11/18/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 34
Applause Received: 86

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
If you own a gun to protect yourself and you don't regularly take it out at a gun range, what's the point? That's like buying a Lamborghini and leaving it sit covered in the garage.


The point is, that if you have a gun just to protect yourself, you usually will be the second guy to have it ready to use. Or - assuming you just want to protect yourself - you take it out if someone is yelling at you? 2nd would really scare me.

blank
Offline dfosterf  
#22 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:08:14 PM(UTC)
dfosterf

Rank: All Pro

United States
Joined: 8/19/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 177
Applause Received: 394

Originally Posted by: GermanGilbert Go to Quoted Post
The point is, that if you have a gun just to protect yourself, you usually will be the second guy to have it ready to use. Or - assuming you just want to protect yourself - you take it out if someone is yelling at you? 2nd would really scare me.



Incredible to so many, I'm not a big gun fan.

Many might remember my little brother has owned and run a gun shop / gun range. Actually, THE place the FBI/CIA/ATF etc. hung out in.

In Newington, if we have any cognoscenti, amongst us- Kev is my little bro. He was an 0331, that's why he cannot hear. Earnie an 0311.

I do not know if those two ever said anything about that.

_________________________

Tangent, for practical advice.

That is usually true, German. I always recommend a revolver, for anyone listening. The kids always buy the semi's. Those are in the movies. If I wake up with a situation, the poor-dumb-bastard (aka ptb) is eating my .44 mag. This is what I've always carried when authorized, and the recoil is over - dramatized. I have never woke up having to use it, but I have used it in this business, which is
really all you need to know, comparatively, as far as advice.


I am also a huge fan of a deer barrel shotgun. Perhaps a bigger fan of this.

Edited by user Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:35:42 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

UserPostedImage
damn skippy I'm an owner. I currently own a full .00001924537805515393 % of the Green Bay Packers.



Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#23 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:35:36 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

Joined: 9/26/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 13
Applause Received: 357

I guess the first thing is your interpretation of the 2nd amendment. It does not grant us the right to bear arms. It does not grant us the right to bear them to protect ourselves. The 2nd amendment protects our right to bear arms.

Second, the primary purpose, the primary purpose of all guns including assault rifles is what the owner of that gun wants it to be. If a person wants to kill many people that will be the purpose of the gun. If the person doesn't want to kill many, instead wants to hunt, or target shoot, that becomes the purpose of the gun. While you may not feel there is a place for them, others do. Some want them because they like shooting fast, some want them because they are fairly accurate while shooting multiple rounds, others want them because they can load the magizine at home, take the gun to the range to shoot, and not have to carry boxes of bullets and reload at the range.

Personally, I won't buy one, because they are just not my thing, but I am not everybody. The main question comes down to this. Why ban them? The story is, because doing so will stop or prevent shootings like CT, and that is just false. We have proven that by the ban on Fully Auto weapons. Banning them didnt stop people from shooting each other. and neither will banning these. If we limit to 10 rounds, the bad guys carry more magizines and more guns with 10 rounds each. we ban all guns, the bad guys will use knives, bombs or turn fertilizer sprayers into flame throwers.

Another reason not to, is the idea of the militia. While unlikely we are going to face a Red Dawn. It is not impossible. If that unlikely possibility would happen, we need to be armed with personal weapons equivalent to what the enemy would have.

Criminals and whackjobs who are breaking the law killing people, are not going to care if the gun they are killing people with an illegal weapon. Laws like this only impact people who will obey them, the people that would obey a ban like this, are not the people we need to protect ourselves from.

We need to protect our kids and people as much as possible. Those kids in CT could have been saved, had we built the school with security doors that when closed only open from the inside. And that could be done without taking any right or limiting any right. Banning or taking away a right because of a lie is not something we want to do. lets put our efforts to ways that actually can help resolve the problem.
The world needs ditch diggers to Danny!!!
UserPostedImage
thanks Post received 1 applause.
Wade on 1/11/2013(UTC)
Offline dfosterf  
#24 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:49:16 PM(UTC)
dfosterf

Rank: All Pro

United States
Joined: 8/19/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 177
Applause Received: 394

I may have about 20 "guns" in my house.

In this day and age, with ALL the history, and taking into account THIS administration?

Am I registering any of my guns that I might possibly own ?

Good luck with that. I'm only kidding, I'm an excellent pavlovian dog, just like you.

I got no problem with gov't taking your guns. You deserve it for re-electing the commie.

He can even take mine, as long as I get to tell all you butt-wipes, "I told you so."

YOU f*cked this country, not him.

It's OK not to respond, I never expect much.

Edited by user Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:11:13 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

UserPostedImage
damn skippy I'm an owner. I currently own a full .00001924537805515393 % of the Green Bay Packers.



thanks Post received 1 applause.
Wade on 1/11/2013(UTC)
Offline Formo  
#25 Posted : Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:12:32 PM(UTC)
Formo

Rank: All Pro

Joined: 8/12/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 215
Applause Received: 152

Originally Posted by: GermanGilbert Go to Quoted Post
To be honest, I really don't understand it.

USA (legal): 10.310 murders with guns p.a. (3.45 dead people per 100.000)
Germany (illegal): 155 murders with guns p.a. (0.19 dead people per 100.000)

If the concept is to let 17.5 people die instead of 1, I highly doubt it's a good one.

Edit: And having a gun to protect yourself when anyone tries to kill you won't work out either. If you only have a gun to protect yourself, it'll be your first shot in your life. Guess who's more experienced and therefore quicker, you or the guy who want to shoot you?


It's not Germany.. but many have been citing UK's gun crime rate vs. US's...
UserPostedImage
Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!
Offline Dulak  
#26 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 2:43:17 AM(UTC)
Dulak

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

Joined: 1/19/2009(UTC)
Location: London, UK (from kenosha)

Applause Given: 153
Applause Received: 100

Originally Posted by: Formo Go to Quoted Post
It's not Germany.. but many have been citing UK's gun crime rate vs. US's...


interesting video ...

after living in london for the past 6 years (having grew up in wisconsin); I can say these things to go along with that clip.

- less guns and less gun deaths here in the UK
- I can walk anywhere I want in london on a saturday nite and Im not really worried about anything (I couldnt do that in chicago)
- the stats about more violent crime in britain ... Ive been complaining about this since I got here ... excuse my french but the british are pussys when it comes to crime and punishment and deterrance. Remember those riots? ... they happened because people could do it. Britain; especially london is a melting pot for europe - many people from other countries come here and commit multiple crimes and often they keep doing it with hardly a sense of justice. I remember reading about a polish guy; age 22, came here and went on a robbery string and killing some old lady (10 mins from where I live) and he'd only been in the country for 2 weeks.

One time I was at the supermarket and they had 8 cops and 2 paddy wagons to arrest 2 teenagers for stealing. Another time it took 2 cops to wake some drunk person on a bus up because you arnt 'allowed' to touch them.

Here the british police have one hand tied behind their back and to be honest most of them feel this is the right thing to do - and they wonder why so much crime happens here. Same with the riots last year ... Its just like the spoilt child; dont punish him and then you wonder why they act up. (btw they 'attempted' to look tough and handed out sentences that were above normal for here to look strong on crime when they are obviously not).

My wife works for the governement and hears about many stats concerning this ...

my point is britain's high violent crime rate isnt because a lack of guns its because of their pussy stance on deterrance and punishment.

I remember seeing a sign at a local fair and it said "please dont carry a knife with you and please put it in the bin because you could hurt someone" - that tells it all.


oh and before I forget - in britain there are tons of south africans living here
- because that place is a scary place to live ... and comparing the US to there is not something to do. (not that I would know but they would and they are all here not wanting to go back)
Offline Porforis  
#27 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:42:57 AM(UTC)
Porforis

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 8/22/2009(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee, WI

Applause Given: 168
Applause Received: 333

Originally Posted by: GermanGilbert Go to Quoted Post
To be honest, I really don't understand it.

USA (legal): 10.310 murders with guns p.a. (3.45 dead people per 100.000)
Germany (illegal): 155 murders with guns p.a. (0.19 dead people per 100.000)

If the concept is to let 17.5 people die instead of 1, I highly doubt it's a good one.

Edit: And having a gun to protect yourself when anyone tries to kill you won't work out either. If you only have a gun to protect yourself, it'll be your first shot in your life. Guess who's more experienced and therefore quicker, you or the guy who want to shoot you?


I'll concede in advance that Germany is leauges ahead of the U.S. when it comes to gun violence. That being said, your statistics don't take into account that many murders in the U.S. take place in locations where guns are banned, and many more by people who are not legally allowed to own a gun. While we can certainly make it more difficult for people to obtain guns, the fact that guns are illegal for some people to own and illegal to posses in some areas do not significantly affect the murder rates. I'm not saying that our gun violence and murder rates wouldn't drop significantly if we ended up banning guns, I'm just saying that it wouldn't be as dramatic as you think.

As far as your final comment goes, any gun owner that doesn't regularly go to ranges to practice his shot is negligent at best. Using that to say that you'll be screwed anyways when someone busts into your house with a gun is weak at best, and even if I'd rather have a fighting chance than to cower in a corner and hope he's in a good mood.

One final thought: I don't "get" Germany's culture and have a high school level knowledge on its history. But America values its guns differently than most of the world, some of that is bad and some of that is good. America's population density is substantially less than basically every European nation and as a result, we have a lot more woodlands. In addition, there are many more people in rural areas which means that if someone is in your house, you can't necessarily count on police showing up within a few hours. Heck, in Milwaukee recently there was even a lot of hooplah over police taking 4 hours to respond to a suspected home invasion as well as other similar incidents.

With that low population density and rural areas, comes deer and other wildlife which causes a hazard for humans as well as overpopulation issues when it comes to deer, while you can hunt with bows it's not as efficient in many cases.
UserPostedImage
Offline Porforis  
#28 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:45:14 AM(UTC)
Porforis

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 8/22/2009(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee, WI

Applause Given: 168
Applause Received: 333

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
I guess the first thing is your interpretation of the 2nd amendment. It does not grant us the right to bear arms. It does not grant us the right to bear them to protect ourselves. The 2nd amendment protects our right to bear arms.


Key point you brought up that I like that you almost never hear people bring up: The bill of rights isn't about what you're allowed to do. It's about what the government isn't allowed to do to you. It's meant to protect the citizen from the government, not the government graciously giving "rights" to the people.
UserPostedImage
thanks Post received 1 applause.
Wade on 1/11/2013(UTC)
Offline Porforis  
#29 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 7:49:43 AM(UTC)
Porforis

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 8/22/2009(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee, WI

Applause Given: 168
Applause Received: 333

Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post

- I can walk anywhere I want in london on a saturday nite and Im not really worried about anything (I couldnt do that in chicago)


Using one of the worst gun crime cities in the country as a basis of comparison really isn't fair, and even then there's plenty of areas of Chicago that are far from dangerous. I've lived three different places in Milwaukee (two in Milwaukee proper, one in Wauwatosa) and frequently take walks between the hours of 10PM and 2AM and don't need to watch my back or worry. I've also lived in Minneapolis, and two smaller cities with populations around 50,000.

That being said, I do mostly agree with you that the U.K.'s crime rate isn't an issue because of a lack of guns. It's really, really hard to compare different countries simply because the demographics, social values, geography, population disbursement, and countless other factors are simply too different to ignore.
UserPostedImage
Online gbguy20  
#30 Posted : Friday, January 11, 2013 10:16:42 AM(UTC)
gbguy20

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/28/2009(UTC)

Applause Given: 203
Applause Received: 285

Gun control is one the most irrelevant issues we have right now, I cannot stand the fact that it seems to be the only one getting any media attention though.
call me Dan
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest
7 Pages<1234>»
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error

Tweeter

Recent Topics
1m / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

13m / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

28m / Random Babble / DakotaT

51m / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

58m / Green Bay Packers Talk / musccy

9h / Green Bay Packers Talk / DoddPower

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Gilligan

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

14-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / DarkaneRules

13-Sep / Around The NFL / sschind

13-Sep / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

13-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / DoddPower

13-Sep / Green Bay Packers Talk / steveishere

13-Sep / Random Babble / macbob


Copyright © 2006-2014 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.