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Offline Mortfini  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:56:55 PM(UTC)
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Rob Ryan?
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Offline dyeah_gb  
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:56:55 PM(UTC)
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Yes this thread is reactionary to the game but it is time to let him go. Last year he failed and this year has shown that he cannot adjust. It is time to find someone/anyone else to run this defense.

The O has plenty to account for with this game too and I wouldn't mind bringing forth the same question for the Offense. At the end of the day, the loss of Philbin has been felt by this team, especially on the fundamentals.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:58:31 PM(UTC)
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Lol noticed an exact thread by Mortfini at the exact same time. I guess these threads should be merged.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 8:59:02 PM(UTC)
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As a posted earier do you have any replacement ideas?

I know he does not fit green bays trash talking style or lack of but Rob Ryan is the best option out there
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#5 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:00:30 PM(UTC)
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2009 we sucked against every decent QB we faced.. Only to give up 50 to the cards in a WC loss

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Offline Mortfini  
#6 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:00:31 PM(UTC)
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It's far from over but I'm already thinking to next season
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#7 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:01:01 PM(UTC)
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#8 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:03:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mortfini Go to Quoted Post
As a posted earier do you have any replacement ideas?

I know he does not fit green bays trash talking style or lack of but Rob Ryan is the best option out there


About to be hired by the Rams apparently
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Offline Mortfini  
#9 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:03:28 PM(UTC)
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You might laugh but dam lovey can coach D
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Offline shield4life  
#10 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:04:09 PM(UTC)
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This team is one defensive coordinator away from a SB!
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Offline RajiRoar  
#11 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:04:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mortfini Go to Quoted Post
Rob Ryan?


Ryan is a ram


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Offline dyeah_gb  
#12 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:04:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mortfini Go to Quoted Post
As a posted earier do you have any replacement ideas?

I know he does not fit green bays trash talking style or lack of but Rob Ryan is the best option out there


Radom person at the bar, a circus dog or a monkey? The short answer is that You cant really go anywhere but up. The long answer is that it will be a tough year to find much from the outside due to all the vacancies. Lovie smith would be interesting if available.
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Offline shield4life  
#13 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:06:34 PM(UTC)
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Any DC that actually tries to adjust in game is an upgrade IMO. Capers seems to just stick to his gameplan and never adjust which is killing us.

Other words:

If the game plan works against a certain team this defense looks amazing!
If the game plan doesn't work against a certain team this defense looks horrible!

What makes me think that Capers never adjust and that's why they are still going down the field as I type!
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Offline Mortfini  
#14 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:08:13 PM(UTC)
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Having said that you don't know how this game would have went if we had a few more players back
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Offline dyeah_gb  
#15 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:11:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mortfini Go to Quoted Post
Having said that you don't know how this game would have went if we had a few more players back
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Agreed. Good talent can compensate for bad coaching.
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Offline wpr  
#16 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:11:13 PM(UTC)
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Typical results from DC. Great results first couple of years and then it all falls apart. I can't say why but it has happened more than once.
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Offline dyeah_gb  
#17 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:15:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Typical results from DC. Great results first couple of years and then it all falls apart. I can't say why but it has happened more than once.


Interesting point. It is like the one idea works and they ride it for as long as it lasts. I think the big trick by Capers was the 3-4 and original application of the LBs. Apparently, the adjustment in the roster just made his head explode. I do think it is not entirely his fault because of the injuries. But what is more painful though: continuing with business as usual or holding some accountable for 2 wasted years of potential title runs?
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#18 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:23:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb Go to Quoted Post
Interesting point. It is like the one idea works and they ride it for as long as it lasts. I think the big trick by Capers was the 3-4 and original application of the LBs. Apparently, the adjustment in the roster just made his head explode. I do think it is not entirely his fault because of the injuries. But what is more painful though: continuing with business as usual or holding some accountable for 2 wasted years of potential title runs?


I can't say it was injuries that brought down his prior teams. I was not the one who first mentioned his long term demise. I actually liked the signing. He turned a defense that was in total disarray around in one season.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:28:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mortfini Go to Quoted Post
Having said that you don't know how this game would have went if we had a few more players back
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Yeah. They would have given up 38 points instead of 45.

Injuries are an excuse.

Staley was playing on one arm.

Injuries don't explain a quarterback downfield without a defender within 10 yards.

Injuries don't explain a team that got its ass handed to them from start to finish.

Take away the following: Jones long reception. Harris long run. Two other big plays by Rodgers/Jones.

What do you have left?

A dodo egg.
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Offline all_about_da_packers  
#20 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:29:42 PM(UTC)
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It's amazing that people just assume all this is the fault of scheme.

Kaepernick's first TD: Clay completely jumps up the field, vacating his gap, and Neal spins inside, taking him out of his gap as well. Kaepernick just runs through it and scored.

Another play in the 2nd Q, Capers brings the blitz. Clay, again, vacates his gap by trying to get around the RB/FB through going around him. Kaepernick runs through the hole that creates and gets a first down.

Kaepernick's longest TD run in the game: Walden has set the edge and, instead of holding it decides to bite and moves towards the RB on the play-action. Kaepernick has an open lane to run through.

If you think any of that was planned by Capers, then you are absolutely an idiot.

The problem isn't the scheme. The game plan from last week would have worked. That said, Capers should have adjusted and had a spy on Kaepernick. He has some questions to answer, no doubt.

Beyond any single thing, though, we need play makers. Outside of Clay, there is no other playmaker on this team. Woodson isn't any more. Hayward has much to learn. Raji has his moments, but cannot be counted on for 60+ plays game in game out. Nick Collins is gone. Bishop is out injured.

We still need talent. More playmaking talent, to be precise. Changing some position coaches may be in the cards, but nothing will substitute for the fact that we never had the talent to match-up with a talented 49ers team. Add to that: 14 49ers points off 2 Packers' turnovers gave us a hole that was near impossible to climb out off.
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#21 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:35:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers Go to Quoted Post
It's amazing that people just assume all this is the fault of scheme.

Kaepernick's first TD: Clay completely jumps up the field, vacating his gap, and Neal spins inside, taking him out of his gap as well. Kaepernick just runs through it and scored.

Another play in the 2nd Q, Capers brings the blitz. Clay, again, vacates his gap by trying to get around the RB/FB through going around him. Kaepernick runs through the hole that creates and gets a first down.

Kaepernick's longest TD run in the game: Walden has set the edge and, instead of holding it decides to bite and moves towards the RB on the play-action. Kaepernick has an open lane to run through.

If you think any of that was planned by Capers, then you are absolutely an idiot.

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I agree with your point but who was supposed to teach and emphasize these fundamentals from training camp to the playoffs? Maybe the LB coach needs to be fired too then?

If someone is going to commit to the blitz and try to get a shot at the ball in the backfield but then misses the god damn tackle than its like playing a man down.
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#22 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:39:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers Go to Quoted Post
It's amazing that people just assume all this is the fault of scheme.

Kaepernick's first TD: Clay completely jumps up the field, vacating his gap, and Neal spins inside, taking him out of his gap as well. Kaepernick just runs through it and scored.

Another play in the 2nd Q, Capers brings the blitz. Clay, again, vacates his gap by trying to get around the RB/FB through going around him. Kaepernick runs through the hole that creates and gets a first down.

Kaepernick's longest TD run in the game: Walden has set the edge and, instead of holding it decides to bite and moves towards the RB on the play-action. Kaepernick has an open lane to run through.

If you think any of that was planned by Capers, then you are absolutely an idiot.

The problem isn't the scheme. The game plan from last week would have worked. That said, Capers should have adjusted and had a spy on Kaepernick. He has some questions to answer, no doubt.

Beyond any single thing, though, we need play makers. Outside of Clay, there is no other playmaker on this team. Woodson isn't any more. Hayward has much to learn. Raji has his moments, but cannot be counted on for 60+ plays game in game out. Nick Collins is gone. Bishop is out injured.

We still need talent. More playmaking talent, to be precise. Changing some position coaches may be in the cards, but nothing will substitute for the fact that we never had the talent to match-up with a talented 49ers team. Add to that: 14 49ers points off 2 Packers' turnovers gave us a hole that was near impossible to climb out off.


stop trying to be logical. We want to bitch dammit. we just watched the team we love play s shitty game.
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#23 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:39:52 PM(UTC)
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I still say that the Packers will stick by Capers as they have Mason. If Capers sucks next year then maybe they'll drop him, but I would be surprised if they let him go this offseason.
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#24 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:42:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb Go to Quoted Post
Who was supposed to teach and emphasize these fundamentals from training camp to the playoffs? Maybe the LB coach needs to be fired too then?




So we simply fire coaches at random? That's stupid. At least wait until the coaches + players speak to get a better sense of what went wrong.

My point is pretty simple, though: any proposed solution that stops at firing coaches is absolutely stupid. Any DC - playing 3-4 or 4-3 - is going to need more talent. Players may grow into playmakers (Burnett, Shields, Walden), and that'd be awesome. But the main problem requires someone else besides Clay to be a threat to make game-changing / impact plays.

Remember, we stuck with this team for more than half the game despite a bad offense. 2 Huge turnovers cost us 14 points. Scheme could have been better - no question. Capers has some questions to answer. But seriously, what good does firing a DC do for getting you more players capable of playing at a very high level?
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#25 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:49:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: all_about_da_packers Go to Quoted Post


Remember, we stuck with this team for more than half the game despite a bad offense. 2 Huge turnovers cost us 14 points. Scheme could have been better - no question. Capers has some questions to answer. But seriously, what good does firing a DC do for getting you more players capable of playing at a very high level?


On a purely objective level, I think there is adequate evidence to dump Capers with little downside. Last year's team was not riddled with injuries and gave up the most yards out of 32 teams.
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