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dyeah_gb  
#21 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:35:08 PM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post
It's amazing that people just assume all this is the fault of scheme.

Kaepernick's first TD: Clay completely jumps up the field, vacating his gap, and Neal spins inside, taking him out of his gap as well. Kaepernick just runs through it and scored.

Another play in the 2nd Q, Capers brings the blitz. Clay, again, vacates his gap by trying to get around the RB/FB through going around him. Kaepernick runs through the hole that creates and gets a first down.

Kaepernick's longest TD run in the game: Walden has set the edge and, instead of holding it decides to bite and moves towards the RB on the play-action. Kaepernick has an open lane to run through.

If you think any of that was planned by Capers, then you are absolutely an idiot.

...


I agree with your point but who was supposed to teach and emphasize these fundamentals from training camp to the playoffs? Maybe the LB coach needs to be fired too then?

If someone is going to commit to the blitz and try to get a shot at the ball in the backfield but then misses the god damn tackle than its like playing a man down.
wpr  
#22 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:39:43 PM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post
It's amazing that people just assume all this is the fault of scheme.

Kaepernick's first TD: Clay completely jumps up the field, vacating his gap, and Neal spins inside, taking him out of his gap as well. Kaepernick just runs through it and scored.

Another play in the 2nd Q, Capers brings the blitz. Clay, again, vacates his gap by trying to get around the RB/FB through going around him. Kaepernick runs through the hole that creates and gets a first down.

Kaepernick's longest TD run in the game: Walden has set the edge and, instead of holding it decides to bite and moves towards the RB on the play-action. Kaepernick has an open lane to run through.

If you think any of that was planned by Capers, then you are absolutely an idiot.

The problem isn't the scheme. The game plan from last week would have worked. That said, Capers should have adjusted and had a spy on Kaepernick. He has some questions to answer, no doubt.

Beyond any single thing, though, we need play makers. Outside of Clay, there is no other playmaker on this team. Woodson isn't any more. Hayward has much to learn. Raji has his moments, but cannot be counted on for 60+ plays game in game out. Nick Collins is gone. Bishop is out injured.

We still need talent. More playmaking talent, to be precise. Changing some position coaches may be in the cards, but nothing will substitute for the fact that we never had the talent to match-up with a talented 49ers team. Add to that: 14 49ers points off 2 Packers' turnovers gave us a hole that was near impossible to climb out off.


stop trying to be logical. We want to bitch dammit. we just watched the team we love play s shitty game.
rabidgopher04  
#23 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:39:52 PM(UTC)
I still say that the Packers will stick by Capers as they have Mason. If Capers sucks next year then maybe they'll drop him, but I would be surprised if they let him go this offseason.
all_about_da_packers  
#24 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:42:27 PM(UTC)
dyeah_gb said: Go to Quoted Post
Who was supposed to teach and emphasize these fundamentals from training camp to the playoffs? Maybe the LB coach needs to be fired too then?




So we simply fire coaches at random? That's stupid. At least wait until the coaches + players speak to get a better sense of what went wrong.

My point is pretty simple, though: any proposed solution that stops at firing coaches is absolutely stupid. Any DC - playing 3-4 or 4-3 - is going to need more talent. Players may grow into playmakers (Burnett, Shields, Walden), and that'd be awesome. But the main problem requires someone else besides Clay to be a threat to make game-changing / impact plays.

Remember, we stuck with this team for more than half the game despite a bad offense. 2 Huge turnovers cost us 14 points. Scheme could have been better - no question. Capers has some questions to answer. But seriously, what good does firing a DC do for getting you more players capable of playing at a very high level?
dyeah_gb  
#25 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:49:41 PM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post


Remember, we stuck with this team for more than half the game despite a bad offense. 2 Huge turnovers cost us 14 points. Scheme could have been better - no question. Capers has some questions to answer. But seriously, what good does firing a DC do for getting you more players capable of playing at a very high level?


On a purely objective level, I think there is adequate evidence to dump Capers with little downside. Last year's team was not riddled with injuries and gave up the most yards out of 32 teams.
all_about_da_packers  
#26 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:55:46 PM(UTC)
dyeah_gb said: Go to Quoted Post
On a purely objective level, I think there is adequate evidence to dump Capers with little downside. Last year's team was not riddled with injuries and gave up the most yards out of 32 teams.


And to counter: this year's defence, minus all playmakers (Bishop, Woodson, Collins) except Clay and playing 6 rookies at times was generally average. Even then, Clay missed like 4 games, too.

I'm not sure I can think of any other DC outside of Rex Ryan (he's out of the question) or Jim Bates (he ain't coming back) who could have done much better than Capers, given what Capers had.
K_Buz  
#27 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:57:53 PM(UTC)
Its like the D didn't expect the read-option and didn't prepare for it. I am open for a D Coordinator change. This is two years in a row that we have looked utterly lost...unprepared...silly out there.

(side note...as I watch Rodger's press conference...did he chip a tooth?)

musccy  
#28 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:03:34 PM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post
And to counter: this year's defence, minus all playmakers (Bishop, Woodson, Collins) except Clay and playing 6 rookies at times was generally average. Even then, Clay missed like 4 games, too.

I'm not sure I can think of any other DC outside of Rex Ryan (he's out of the question) or Jim Bates (he ain't coming back) who could have done much better than Capers, given what Capers had.


You're citing Collins to make your argument? He was released before F.A. and woodson is very close to the end if not already there. Clay missing 4 games in November has nothing to do with giving up 600 yards tonight.

shield4life  
#29 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:19:09 PM(UTC)
Truth be told Eric Walden shouldn't even be playing IMO, luckily for him there's always a LB getting injured.

IMO, Perry's speed and Bishop's middle present was missed today.

Executions was terrible out there.

Muffed punt ---> 7 points
Aaron Rodgers pulling a Brett Favre ---> 7 points

That we're 14 points that we just handed them over. Let's not forget also that Rodgers did fumble the ball and luckily he landed on it could of been a different outcome.

The muffed punt did really change momentum of this game, we had killed the crowd @ that point and we're going to ride down the momentum but just killed everything handed the momentum back to the 49ers and they didn't look back!
gbguy20  
#30 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:20:27 PM(UTC)
Mortfini said: Go to Quoted Post
You might laugh but dam lovey can coach D


I don't think we have the personnel to run Lovie's D
El3ment12  
#31 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:23:18 PM(UTC)
Does anyone else wonder if the D was really being run by Nick Collins in 2010? We have never been the same without him.
gbguy20  
#32 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:23:43 PM(UTC)
BRING BACK NICK
musccy  
#33 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:25:12 PM(UTC)
shield4life said: Go to Quoted Post
Truth be told Eric Walden shouldn't even be playing IMO, luckily for him there's always a LB getting injured.

IMO, Perry's speed and Bishop's middle present was missed today.

Executions was terrible out there.

Muffed punt ---> 7 points
Aaron Rodgers pulling a Brett Favre ---> 7 points

That we're 14 points that we just handed them over. Let's not forget also that Rodgers did fumble the ball and luckily he landed on it could of been a different outcome.

The muffed punt did really change momentum of this game, we had killed the crowd @ that point and we're going to ride down the momentum but just killed everything handed the momentum back to the 49ers and they didn't look back!


I don't buy the whole momentum thing...the Packers were gashed before and after that.

I agree with the execution. The OLBs (including cm3) were getting schooled on the edges looking lost, no discipline, and that's what really killed the team tonight.
all_about_da_packers  
#34 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:26:55 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
You're citing Collins to make your argument? He was released before F.A. and woodson is very close to the end if not already there. Clay missing 4 games in November has nothing to do with giving up 600 yards tonight.




You're missing the scope of my argument; it was not directed to tonight's game at all. To recap:

dyeah_gb stated: objective evidence (last year's performance) is adequate to justify Capers' firing.

My counter: the performance of this year (minus 3 of our 4 playmakers from last year + missing our best playmaker for a month + having to deal with having 6 rookies see extended playing time) where our defence was average in the rankings provides evidence that suggests Capers does not necessarily deserve to be fired.

We were abysmal tonight. But decisions based entirely on 1 game are pretty rash, and hardly favourable when compared to decisions based on an entire body of work because it provides a much larger sample size on which to base conclusions.
shield4life  
#35 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:28:00 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't buy the whole momentum thing...the Packers were gashed before and after that.

I agree with the execution. The OLBs (including cm3) were getting schooled on the edges looking lost, no discipline, and that's what really killed the team tonight.


I'm pissed how about you?
musccy  
#36 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:33:46 PM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post
You're missing the scope of my argument; it was not directed to tonight's game at all. To recap:

dyeah_gb stated: objective evidence (last year's performance) is adequate to justify Capers' firing.

My counter: the performance of this year (minus 3 of our 4 playmakers from last year + missing our best playmaker for a month + having to deal with having 6 rookies see extended playing time) where our defence was average in the rankings provides evidence that suggests Capers does not necessarily deserve to be fired.

We were abysmal tonight. But decisions based entirely on 1 game are pretty rash, and hardly favourable when compared to decisions based on an entire body of work because it provides a much larger sample size on which to base conclusions.


I understand what you're saying...and for the record I don't necessarily feel Capers should be fired...i'm on the fence...i'm worried about the personnel, esp. With meat on the line in a 3-4.
shield4life  
#37 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:36:55 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
I understand what you're saying...and for the record I don't necessarily feel Capers should be fired...i'm on the fence...i'm worried about the personnel, esp. With meat on the line in a 3-4.


What actually makes you think that keeping him would improve this defense?
doddpower  
#38 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:42:04 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
I understand what you're saying...and for the record I don't necessarily feel Capers should be fired...i'm on the fence...i'm worried about the personnel, esp. With meat on the line in a 3-4.


Capers is good at times, but he has consistently struggled against top tier QBs. He's often slow to adjust, if he adjusts at all, and consistently has communication issues throughout his defense. He can shine at times, but I don't think the drop-off would be substantial with another coordinator, and the right person could perhaps be much better. Sometimes it's necessary to get a fresh mind in, especially with the way the NFL is changing. In other words, Capers isn't horrible, generally speaking, but he is at times, and often when it matters most. There is never an excuse for giving up as many yards as they did today, especially in the divisional round of the playoffs. It just can't happen. With a performance that bad, one game has to weigh more than it ordinarily would, imo. His defense was once again humiliated on the big stage, and I don't see how the Packers can let that stand. It's all about accountability. Capers may be able to consistently produce average, but shaky, defenses, but some of the unexplainable collapses are absolutely unacceptable. I would find it hard to believe someone out there couldn't do more with this defense, and the Packers could perhaps find the next "bright-mind" in the process. It's likely a 'risk' worth taking.
all_about_da_packers  
#39 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:42:55 PM(UTC)
Don't get me wrong - I am also on the fence about keeping Capers and/or position coaches.

So, according to McCarthy: we did not execute. On D, we tried different things, but none of them worked because of bad execution. To add, says they did not do on Offense what they wanted.

This has become a broken record. I'm hoping McCarthy takes this as a kick in the balls and realizes he better scheme up improved personnel packages and schemes this off-season. I do not know how many times our offense has not been able to do what it wanted. And something needs to be done to ensure execution of Defense - I'm not sure simply adding players is going to fix that part of the equation.
shield4life  
#40 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:43:42 PM(UTC)
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