Discussion Board
Welcome Guest! You can login or register. Login or Register.
3 Pages123>

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
CaliforniaCheez  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:45:04 PM(UTC)
The loss in the playoffs to the 49'ers had a lot of plays where their QB just blew past Walden and Matthews. Matthews was on the ground a lot. He and Walden never demonstrated much outside containment or concern for the overall scheme.

Greene just could not get them to show any intelligence or ability to get the job done. Greene did not have them adjust and he never pulled them for their poor performance.

Will McCarthy fire him and get a better OLB coach?
all_about_da_packers  
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:50:41 PM(UTC)
CaliforniaCheez said: Go to Quoted Post
The loss in the playoffs to the 49'ers had a lot of plays where their QB just blew past Walden and Matthews. Matthews was on the ground a lot. He and Walden never demonstrated much outside containment or concern for the overall scheme.

Greene just could not get them to show any intelligence or ability to get the job done. Greene did not have them adjust and he never pulled them for their poor performance.

Will McCarthy fire him and get a better OLB coach?



Perhaps the most sensible thread of the night (I'm serious).

Clay has absolutely been horrible at containment. I get he has the athleticism and motor to make things happen from scratch, but he has generally been horrendous at playing containment.

I would guess 'No' because McCarthy seems to be loyal, and Green has done a good enough job to help his players develop (especially Moses this season). But, boy, based on what I was seeing tonight Kevin Green would be the first coach on defense who has some serious explaining to do.
dyeah_gb  
#3 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:58:15 PM(UTC)
CaliforniaCheez said: Go to Quoted Post
The loss in the playoffs to the 49'ers had a lot of plays where their QB just blew past Walden and Matthews. Matthews was on the ground a lot. He and Walden never demonstrated much outside containment or concern for the overall scheme.

Greene just could not get them to show any intelligence or ability to get the job done. Greene did not have them adjust and he never pulled them for their poor performance.

Will McCarthy fire him and get a better OLB coach?


I think this a valid question. I see a pattern here that the question "should xxx be fired" should be applied to just about every element of the staff. This is not just a reactionary. It really is a matter of thinking critically about what this team believes it is capable of and how much practice and preparation helps bring the team to its full potential. In the end, any staff changes should not be a vindication of a playoff loss (like DC with 4th and 26), it should be about pointing this team in the right direction to get a title.
gbguy20  
#4 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:04:20 PM(UTC)
CaliforniaCheez said: Go to Quoted Post
The loss in the playoffs to the 49'ers had a lot of plays where their QB just blew past Walden and Matthews. Matthews was on the ground a lot. He and Walden never demonstrated much outside containment or concern for the overall scheme.

Greene just could not get them to show any intelligence or ability to get the job done. Greene did not have them adjust and he never pulled them for their poor performance.

Will McCarthy fire him and get a better OLB coach?


Walden was pulled after colin's long td run, moses replaced him. defense did not improve. just sayin
CaliforniaCheez  
#5 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:14:37 PM(UTC)
Matthews is a one trick pony.
Has he improved since he was a rookie?
Has he learned yet how to properly stretch his hamstrings before playing or are they always getting injured?
Can he cover anyone in space better?
Does he play under control or over run plays?


Do Walden and Zombo really lack the talent or could they improve with better coaching?

Why would a rookie like Moses show so much discipline? Is it because he has the least amount of Kevin Greene coaching?
gbguy20  
#6 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:16:22 PM(UTC)
CaliforniaCheez said: Go to Quoted Post
Matthews is a one trick pony.
Has he improved since he was a rookie?

Has he learned yet how to properly stretch his hamstrings before playing or are they always getting injured?
Can he cover anyone in space better?
Does he play under control or over run plays?


Do Walden and Zombo really lack the talent or could they improve with better coaching?

Why would a rookie like Moses show so much discipline? Is it because he has the least amount of Kevin Greene coaching?


uihauhauhauhaahaha
wpr  
#7 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:55:54 AM(UTC)
I am always willing for the Packers to improve whether it be changing player personnel or position coaches or coordinators.
Not sure all the OLB failures are Greene's fault. Not sure a different position coach would have made a difference.

CM3 is exactly what they knew he would be. A pass rusher from the LB position who occasionally is in the right place to tackle the RB as he comes his way. hat he is not is a guy who can do everything and excel at it.

I don't see how he can be a pass rusher and still stay outside to watch contain. They seem to be two different responsibilities. If he vacates his position to pressure the QB some one else (A safety?) has to rotate out and cover contain.
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:09:20 AM(UTC)
I'd rather see Kevin Greene as the DC than fired.
play2win  
#9 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:45:24 AM(UTC)
CaliforniaCheez said: Go to Quoted Post
Matthews is a one trick pony.
Has he improved since he was a rookie?
Has he learned yet how to properly stretch his hamstrings before playing or are they always getting injured?
Can he cover anyone in space better?
Does he play under control or over run plays?


Do Walden and Zombo really lack the talent or could they improve with better coaching?

Why would a rookie like Moses show so much discipline? Is it because he has the least amount of Kevin Greene coaching?


Seems more a personnel issue overall. Last year we were in need of pass rush opposite Matthews. This year we were in need of pass rush opposite Matthews. How many years does this go unaddressed? Well, I can count two in a row now. Unaddressed.

I know we drafted Perry. We needed more. Way more. And when players go down with injury, it is the GM's responsibility to find another player at the position. Didn't happen, two years in the running.

Can anyone here believe we are STILL talking about Walden and Zombo???!!!!

Fucking A!!!!!!
gbguy20  
#10 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:20:36 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Seems more a personnel issue overall. Last year we were in need of pass rush opposite Matthews. This year we were in need of pass rush opposite Matthews. How many years does this go unaddressed? Well, I can count two in a row now. Unaddressed.

I know we drafted Perry. We needed more. Way more. And when players go down with injury, it is the GM's responsibility to find another player at the position. Didn't happen, two years in the running.

Can anyone here believe we are STILL talking about Walden and Zombo???!!!!

Fucking A!!!!!!


So we needed more after we drafted Perry? who should we have skipped in the draft then? Hayward? Worthy?

You guys can bitch and bitch all you want saying that certain needs aren't addressed. Almost our entire draft went defense, and man did our draft produce this year. Sure, when Perry went down as you said Ted Thompson could have went out and replaced him, but you seem to forget, there isn't all that many talented free agent gems out there in the middle of the season. I understand everyone is frustrated, but at least be realistic with your demands.
play2win  
#11 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:26:53 AM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
So we needed more after we drafted Perry? who should we have skipped in the draft then? Hayward? Worthy?

You guys can bitch and bitch all you want saying that certain needs aren't addressed. Almost our entire draft went defense, and man did our draft produce this year. Sure, when Perry went down as you said Ted Thompson could have went out and replaced him, but you seem to forget, there isn't all that many talented free agent gems out there in the middle of the season. I understand everyone is frustrated, but at least be realistic with your demands.


There is more to building a playoff winning team than the draft. When was Perry lost for the season? What did Ted do to replace him?

Damn right I will bitch about the stupid shit I witnessed this season. While there was a lot of good, especially with some of the younger guys we brought in, there was a lot of bad.

We did nothing in FA. We made no trades to upgrade our talent. Ted has to own that if he wants to continue to build his team strictly via a draft & develop philosophy. It clearly is not working in totality. Some of it works great, but I think he could provide better balance.
gbguy20  
#12 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:32:03 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
There is more to building a playoff winning team than the draft. When was Perry lost for the season? What did Ted do to replace him?

Damn right I will bitch about the stupid shit I witnessed this season. While there was a lot of good, especially with some of the younger guys we brought in, there was a lot of bad.


Like I said, who was there to bring in? No one.
play2win  
#13 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:34:15 AM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Like I said, who was there to bring in? No one.


He could have tried a trade.
gbguy20  
#14 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:44:15 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
He could have tried a trade.


1)How do you know he didn't?
2)Trades sure happen all the time in the NFL.
3)Who should he have traded for? Who or what should he have given up?
play2win  
#15 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:51:21 AM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
1)How do you know he didn't?
2)Trades sure happen all the time in the NFL.
3)Who should he have traded for? Who or what should he have given up?


The hypotheticals there are immense. Fact of note is he has made none, neither trades nor FA signings, with 2 seasons of the exact same needs staring him right in the face: pass rush opposite Matthews.

True or no? He had time to try to address this even after Perry was lost for the year.

Two years later, we still see Walden and Zombo out there. You may call it "bitching," but these are very real problems, and concerns there are not unfounded.
gbguy20  
#16 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:07:20 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
The hypotheticals there are immense. Fact of note is he has made none, neither trades nor FA signings, with 2 seasons of the exact same needs staring him right in the face: pass rush opposite Matthews.

True or no? He had time to try to address this even after Perry was lost for the year.

Two years later, we still see Walden and Zombo out there. You may call it "bitching," but these are very real problems, and concerns there are not unfounded.


The fact that you are holding it against him for not replacing a player midseason is kind of ridiculous, and when you cool off from last night you will realize that. I'll play ball with your other comment though, who should he have signed in the offseason then?
play2win  
#17 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:48:08 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
The fact that you are holding it against him for not replacing a player midseason is kind of ridiculous, and when you cool off from last night you will realize that. I'll play ball with your other comment though, who should he have signed in the offseason then?


No, I hold it against Ted Thompson for letting this go on for two years. I like Ted, a lot, but this is exactly what killed us LAST year. Would you not, as GM, have had plans A, B, and C at the ready to increase pass rush, after the worst defense in NFL history was notched up there by YOUR team?

I don't have the answers, but it is clear the one guy who should have didn't either. I'm just a fan, but I've followed this team for 50 yrs. We have a ton of potential, but it all goes to waste when these important areas of the team go unchecked.
Zero2Cool  
#18 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:55:06 PM(UTC)
I don't think Mike McCarthy will fire Kevin Greene, maybe promote, but not fire. Erik Walden filled in very well for Nick Perry when he was spelled from time to time. No team in the NFL has 22 starting caliber backups at each starting position and DEMANDING as such is absurdly unreasonable.

Kevin Greene is doing fine.
gbguy20  
#19 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:58:19 PM(UTC)
How many players could he possibly have at 1 position?
Gaycandybacon  
#20 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:38:00 PM(UTC)
I love it. After a loss everyone that is anyone criticizes everyone on the Packers. Even the players that play their hearts out.

Here's my thoughts:

For the defense, for as good as Capers has been the fist 2 seasons with us. We need to find someone new. Maybe even get a whole new defensive staff. Or else this scheme is gonna get picked apart from year to year. It happens guys.
Compared to 2010, injures caught up to us. We lost all our pass rushers and d-line depth plus the secondary didn't play good enough down the stretch, especially in run support.
Rss Feed
Users browsing this topic
Guest
3 Pages123>
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error

Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (3h) : @PGPackersNews Nelson, Adams and Cobb combined for five receptions. That's a formula for losing.
Zero2Cool (5h) : Do you see them not getting separation?
Cheesey (6h) : I'd like to see our WRs get some separation.
Zero2Cool (7h) : McCarthy protecting Hundley: "Our passing game, we can sit here and pick it apart all we want, but let's just blame it on head coach today."
Zero2Cool (7h) : Brett Hundley: "All I can say is don't write us off."
Zero2Cool (7h) : yinzer is als o 8 - 1 ...nice start dudes
Zero2Cool (8h) : dhazer is 8 - 1 this week so far in pick'em ...dayum
Zero2Cool (10h) : @Michael_Cohen13 Kevin King has been standing on the sideline for a few plays now. #Packers have been rolling with House and Hawkins. Not su
Zero2Cool (11h) : Justin McCray will start at LG today. What a ride for him the last two years. Arena Football League, free agent/unemployed, #Packers starter
yooperfan (11h) : Here we go gang!!!!
Zero2Cool (11h) : WR willie snead OUT
musccy (11h) : no worries...appreciate the pointers to find it.
Zero2Cool (12h) : i couldn't find another alternative so ... no more feed here
Zero2Cool (12h) : ya justin.tv flipped their vision on streaming
musccy (12h) : just did, thanks zero. Used to use Justin...not sure they work anymore
Zero2Cool (12h) : sure is gusty winds here i can hear the wind blowing an rain falling
Zero2Cool (12h) : check the top thread in packers forum section
musccy (12h) : Thanks zero!
Zero2Cool (12h) : http://goatdee.net/ <-- usually has good links
Zero2Cool (12h) : muscy, nerdmann usually has al ink in chat
Zero2Cool (12h) : and the tarp is back on the field
musccy (12h) : dumb question...ways to watch game online? Don't want to wait for game pass tonight
uffda udfa (12h) : Bakh and Bulaga active. Linsley, too. Lane Taylor, Out.
buckeyepackfan (13h) : Looks pretty clear after that
buckeyepackfan (13h) : Radar showing another band of showers probably within the hour.
Zero2Cool (13h) : and now its not raining at all
Zero2Cool (13h) : Right now it's just rain. Not light, not pouring.
buckeyepackfan (13h) : Light showers? Or heavy downpour?
Zero2Cool (14h) : It's raining in Green Bay.
uffda udfa (17h) : @RapSheet just said on NFL Morning the org does NOT expect 12 to return due to significant break.
uffda udfa (17h) : Schefter reporting doctors believe 12 can resume throwing in 6 weeks.
uffda udfa (18h) : Since 2008, Packers 3-7-1 without Aaron Rodgers
buckeyepackfan (18h) : The Brett Hundley era starts today! May it be a short successful run!
buckeyepackfan (18h) : GAMEDAY!
buckeyepackfan (18h) : GOOD MORNING PACKER FANS!
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2017 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 7:30 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 8 @ 3:25 PM
at Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 15 @ 12:00 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 AM
- BYE -
Monday, Nov 6 @ 7:30 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
RAVENS
Sunday, Nov 26 @ 7:30 PM
at Steelers
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 10 @ 12:00 PM
at Browns
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
at Panthers
Saturday, Dec 23 @ 7:30 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 12:00 PM
at Lions
Think About It
Think About It
Recent Topics
11m / Green Bay Packers Talk / DoddPower

12m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

37m / Green Bay Packers Talk / Porforis

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

14h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

14h / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

22-Oct / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

22-Oct / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

21-Oct / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

21-Oct / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

21-Oct / Green Bay Packers Talk / Dulak

21-Oct / Around The NFL / Dulak

21-Oct / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

21-Oct / Green Bay Packers Talk / Smokey

Headlines