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play2win  
#41 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:59:17 AM(UTC)
I'll say this, the players know. If McCarthy is going to continue to mismanage important games against the elite teams in the NFL, some of these players may NOT wish to return to GB.

I have lost a considerable amount of confidence in Mike McCarthy. Really foolish game planning on both sides of the ball.
K_Buz  
#42 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:01:54 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I'll say this, the players know. If McCarthy is going to continue to mismanage important games against the elite teams in the NFL, some of these players may NOT wish to return to GB.


Speaking of game mis-management, was anyone else thinking we had to go for it with 11 mins left in the 4th and near midfield instead of punting?
Zero2Cool  
#43 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:10:22 AM(UTC)
K_Buz said: Go to Quoted Post
Speaking of game mis-management, was anyone else thinking we had to go for it with 11 mins left in the 4th and near midfield instead of punting?


What was the score at the time and did the defense give any indication they could stop the 49ers?
K_Buz  
#44 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:17:21 AM(UTC)
I believe we were down 14 at the time and it was a little bit into the 4th quarter so, no, our defense had shown no signs of stopping their offense. We punted and it was downed inside the 10.
DakotaT  
#45 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:31:00 AM(UTC)
K_Buz said: Go to Quoted Post
I believe we were down 14 at the time and it was a little bit into the 4th quarter so, no, our defense had shown no signs of stopping their offense. We punted and it was downed inside the 10.


Yeah, I thought we should have gone for it at that point. I had a discussion with Mike McCarthy about it through my television, but he is stubborn. [-(
gbguy20  
#46 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:03:16 PM(UTC)
K_Buz said: Go to Quoted Post
Speaking of game mis-management, was anyone else thinking we had to go for it with 11 mins left in the 4th and near midfield instead of punting?


myself and a few others were screaming about it in gameday chat. The game was sealed when we punted right there.
play2win  
#47 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:05:32 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
myself and a few others were screaming about it in gameday chat. The game was sealed when we punted right there.


Yep. Some really basic football tenants went out the window yesterday, when it really mattered.
gbguy20  
#48 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:10:17 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Yep. Some really basic football tenants went out the window yesterday, when it really mattered.


Granted, you'd be hard pressed finding a coach who would go for it with 11 minutes left not even at midfield yet. But in the playoffs, when ur down 2 scores and ur defense has been getting its ass handed to it all damn day, u need to make a gutsy call. That was the time and place to make that call, to give our team a chance to close the gap.
TheKanataThrilla  
#49 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:13:56 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, I thought we should have gone for it at that point. I had a discussion with Mike McCarthy about it through my television, but he is stubborn. [-(


Me too it made no sense to me to punt when it didn't seem to make much difference as our D wasn't stopping anything. Hell giving them the ball around midfield probably would have saved us some clock.

Cal2GreenBay  
#50 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:45:13 PM(UTC)
I think no amount of game planning would have mattered. They were the more physical team on the line and we don't have the athletes to contain a QB like Kaepernick.

The coaches tried to have a spy for Kaep and it didn't work.

The coaches tried, and the players tried.

They were the Better team.

Retool or reload. Doesn't matter, change must happen or we will remain second tier for a long time
stevegb  
#51 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:13:51 PM(UTC)
I thought we already retooled, (well our defense that is) by spending about 6 draft picks on it. I think our main difference between our defense of 2010 and our previous 2 years' defense is the loss of our superstar safety nick collins and the loss of cullen jenkins, none of the guys we have aquired over the past 2 years are up to their standards... yet.

blueleopard  
#52 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:42:45 PM(UTC)
Need a change of philosophy or an increase in speed. Tramon Williams looked like an idiot too.
Gaycandybacon  
#53 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:23:20 PM(UTC)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHA DID YOU JUST SAY, THAT WE NEED TO FIND A NEW QB?!?!?!? Because our defense couldn't stop a nosebleed against a running quarterback? That is probably the most idiotic post yet. Only thing I agree on is letting capers go. We didn't have time to run the ball on offense of course we're not gonna get anything going.
Cal2GreenBay  
#54 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:27:22 PM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHHA DID YOU JUST SAY, THAT WE NEED TO FIND A NEW QB?!?!?!? Because our defense couldn't stop a nosebleed against a running quarterback? That is probably the most idiotic post yet. Only thing I agree on is letting capers go. We didn't have time to run the ball on offense of course we're not gonna get anything going.


Who said to change QBs? Anyone?
Gaycandybacon  
#55 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:46:33 PM(UTC)
Cal2GreenBay said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron has peaked, sad for me to say,

Kaepernick is the future and it is now.


Looks like it needs to happen again, or else Aaron may be a one Super Bowl guy like Favre.



Sure sounded like it.
Cal2GreenBay  
#56 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:11:00 PM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
Sure sounded like it.


You may want to take reading comprehension class again.

That statement said Rodgers is as good as can be. He won't be getting faster. The future of the NFL
Is Kapernick, Wilson, and RG3.

Not once does it SURE SOUND LIIKE I said to replace Rodgers

I said, for the packers to compete, they need a stronger dlineman, a stronger offensive line and better athletes to defend against this new generation of QB.
Rodgers is as good as he can be. Now they need to make the team around him better if they want to play a more physical team with a dynamic QB.

Read more carefully before jumping to inaccurate conclusions.
Gaycandybacon  
#57 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:17:26 PM(UTC)
Cal2GreenBay said: Go to Quoted Post
You may want to take reading comprehension class again.

That statement said Rodgers is as good as can be. He won't be getting faster. The future of the NFL
Is Kapernick, Wilson, and RG3.

Not once does it SURE SOUND LIIKE I said to replace Rodgers

I said, for the packers to compete, they need a stronger dlineman, a stronger offensive line and better athletes to defend against this new generation of QB.
Rodgers is as good as he can be. Now they need to make the team around him better if they want to play a more physical team with a dynamic QB.

Read more carefully before jumping to inaccurate conclusions.


Lol whatever.[wasntme] Should of been more specific, on the whole need bigger, stronger, and faster guys to push them around.[sarcasm] I agree with the Seattle, 49ers defenses. They look hell of a lot bigger on fields than offenses are today.

I just was poking fun on the first post. It just sounded like oh Rodgers might be done, when you said he "peaked".
blueleopard  
#58 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:20:34 PM(UTC)
If there's anything about us Packers fans, it's that we're too stubborn with the old way of playing football.

The read-option is NOT the Wildcat. The Wildcat was run by who again? The Dolphins with Ronnie Brown and which QB?

Teams are doing this with capable starters. Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Robert Griffin III, and Colin Kaepernick are all capable QB's. Other than RG3, all these quarterbacks are pass-first guys. This is a real scheme, and it's going to present teams with problems for a long time.

You need evidence? Look no further than what we already saw. The Falcons and Packers are among the NFL's elite. The Packers couldn't stop it. The Falcons barely contained it. This shit is real.
Gaycandybacon  
#59 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:25:15 PM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
If there's anything about us Packers fans, it's that we're too stubborn with the old way of playing football.

The read-option is NOT the Wildcat. The Wildcat was run by who again? The Dolphins with Ronnie Brown and which QB?

Teams are doing this with capable starters. Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Robert Griffin III, and Colin Kaepernick are all capable QB's. Other than RG3, all these quarterbacks are pass-first guys. This is a real scheme, and it's going to present teams with problems for a long time.

You need evidence? Look no further than what we already saw. The Falcons and Packers are among the NFL's elite. The Packers couldn't stop it. The Falcons barely contained it. This shit is real.


Well it's similar to the wildcat because 1 year the defenses couldn't stop it. Next year it was pretty much a non factor. I could see that happening again. It's not a safe offense to run either unless you got a Tebow type build. Kaepernick wasn't really running those plays either as Troy Aikman stated, most of those runs he was taking off after droping back.
Cal2GreenBay  
#60 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:38:25 PM(UTC)
blueleopard said: Go to Quoted Post
If there's anything about us Packers fans, it's that we're too stubborn with the old way of playing football.

The read-option is NOT the Wildcat. The Wildcat was run by who again? The Dolphins with Ronnie Brown and which QB?

Teams are doing this with capable starters. Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Robert Griffin III, and Colin Kaepernick are all capable QB's. Other than RG3, all these quarterbacks are pass-first guys. This is a real scheme, and it's going to present teams with problems for a long time.

You need evidence? Look no further than what we already saw. The Falcons and Packers are among the NFL's elite. The Packers couldn't stop it. The Falcons barely contained it. This shit is real.


Blue Leopard, great post. My sentiments exactly. The old way is not exactly the best way.
As for the other post argument that this will be stopped next year. Really? How?

The wildcat was stopped in the season it was implemented. The reason it was stopped was because it was a FLAWED strategy. Put the running back in the QB role and run from there. There's no real threat of pass. It's just a wrinkle in the run game. Ronnie Brown(a running back) or Tebow.

Tebow is not a dynamic runner, and was a halfback running in the QB position. He was a flea flicking QB at best and even though his package was run well in Denver, it made the team one dimensional.

At this point, the Packers are ALSO one dimensional because the only top flight part of the offense is Aaron's passing ability. The run game is not up to par, and Aaron is a good but not ELITE runner at the QB position. The packers need a dynamic running back to complement Aaron at this point to make the offense be multi-dimensional. Aaron's not going to get any faster.

There's no glaring flaw in the READ OPTION play as with the wildcat, if you have the 3 factors: A good passing game, a good running game, and a dynamic running QB.

It is so hard to defend the READ OPTION(not wildcat)part of an offense with a pass first QB with Dynamic running ability because the threat of a good running game, a good passing game, and a super fast QB is too much for a defense to account for. You can't cover ALL of it.
You have to give up something. The packers had to bank on Kaepernick beating them, and he did. They weren't going to lose by passing, or by Frank Gore's running.

This is not something that the NFL defenses will easily solve. This is also not something that will go away because the QBs will injure themselves by being too careless(like RG3).

Russell Wilson, Kaepernick KNOW HOW TO RUN and KNOW HOW TO AVOID CONTACT. They are going to surive and be around.

This is not a fad, or a one hit wonder. This style of quarterback is the evolution of football.
Terry Bradshaw on FOX said it, Tom Jackson on ESPN said it, and many NFL writers said it.

We are witnessing a new style and it's exciting.
Change is not that easy for everyone, I guess...
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