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doddpower  
#81 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:34:15 PM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post
Ross' muffed punt and Rodgers absolutely stupid INT cost us 14 points. How many points did we lost by, again?



I really don't think the decision by Rodgers to throw it deep to Nelson on the INT was as bad as others are making it out to be. I think it was 3rd down, so throwing it that far is essentially the exact same thing as a punt, with at least some small chance of making a play. The problem was no one could make a tackle. I'm not trying to say I agree with it, but it's similar to a punt. Perhaps the punt team could have done a better job on limiting a return, but there's no guarantees and the 49'ers would have had the ball regardless. Had Rodgers just made a better throw to the right sidelines, which was the way Nelson was running, it could have been a completion. Again, imo, it was more of an execution issue, not the decision to throw it deep; both in terms of the location of the ball and the inability to make a tackle early in the return. The chances of converting that 3rd down were slim either way.

hardrocker950  
#82 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:49:39 PM(UTC)
This is what made my blood boil tonight!

Muffed punt - shit happens, but you CANNOT let it happen in such field position. The moment I saw that, I had a bad feeling. They might as well have handed them 7 on a silver platter right there.

I may have had my green tinted glasses on, but I saw many holds go uncalled which resulted in big plays for their offense. When he had all day to throw, it was obvious to me that something was wrong; sure enough I see holds, holds, and more holds. From what I saw on Kaep's big TD run - that is how he managed to go virtually untouched.

Containment? Was this even in the game plan? With a QB that likes to run, wouldn't this be a focal point? I guess not this time...

I wasn't a big fan of taking the FG on a 4th and 1. Safer of course, but a chance at taking the lead could have sparked some momentum.

Overall disappointed in the defense. aside from Shield's pick and Woodson making some plays - nothing overly impressive tonight. Of course with the holding mentioned above - they cannot take all the blame for blown plays.

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all_about_da_packers  
#83 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:52:13 PM(UTC)
See here is my problem with the decision: it's 3rd down and still early in the game. I fine with taking shots when our WRs are in advantageous positions, but Jordy was double covered. On top of that, there were at least 2 other options underneath. What exactly is the most pressing reason to throw it into double coverage? It's not like he had pressure in his face that he could not continue with his progressions.

Later on in the game, when it's obvious you need quick points and/or it's fourth down then I have no problem with throwing it up. But we are getting absolutely killed in Time of Possession, and I see no reason why you would want to treat it like a punt. The last thing our offense needed to do was worry about the 49ers offense field position. That's why you punt: to make the offense start off deep.

In third down in a game your offense has barely touched the ball you try to get the offense going by picking up first downs. Bad decision by Rodgers.
doddpower  
#84 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:56:58 PM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post
See here is my problem with the decision: it's 3rd down and still early in the game. I fine with taking shots when our WRs are in advantageous positions, but Jordy was double covered. On top of that, there were at least 2 other options underneath. What exactly is the most pressing reason to throw it into double coverage? It's not like he had pressure in his face that he could not continue with his progressions.

Later on in the game, when it's obvious you need quick points and/or it's fourth down then I have no problem with throwing it up. But we are getting absolutely killed in Time of Possession, and I see no reason why you would want to treat it like a punt. The last thing our offense needed to do was worry about the 49ers offense field position. That's why you punt: to make the offense start off deep.

In third down in a game your offense has barely touched the ball you try to get the offense going by picking up first downs. Bad decision by Rodgers.


I still think it was poor execution, not a bad decision. From what I remember (and I do need to rewatch it), Nelson had a chance at a catch as he was running across the field, but Rodgers threw it up the field, which forced Nelson to change directions and run right into the deep safety. Had he led Nelson in the direction he was running, it could have been a great play. I just think it was really bad execution. I suppose that can be called a bad decision by Rodgers too, but I think the play had a chance. Rodgers just didn't make the right throw.
Zero2Cool  
#85 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:12:08 AM(UTC)
I lost all interest in the game when the Packers came out without DuJuan Harris in the backfield, essentially telling the 49ers even though its a 3 point game, we are gonna pass, pass and pass again.
wpr  
#86 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:27:04 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I lost all interest in the game when the Packers came out without DuJuan Harris in the backfield, essentially telling the 49ers even though its a 3 point game, we are gonna pass, pass and pass again.


Yep. I was extremely disappointed when I was that. Play after play after play.
play2win  
#87 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:34:52 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I lost all interest in the game when the Packers came out without DuJuan Harris in the backfield, essentially telling the 49ers even though its a 3 point game, we are gonna pass, pass and pass again.


That's really it in a nutshell. How the hell was he expecting to win? What was McCarthy's plan? The guy can present as the biggest moron at some really important times for his team.

Packers had 16 rushes

49ers had 42 rushes.

Who was going to win with those numbers?
musccy  
#88 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:36:24 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I lost all interest in the game when the Packers came out without DuJuan Harris in the backfield, essentially telling the 49ers even though its a 3 point game, we are gonna pass, pass and pass again.


Although I agree this was a mistake, it wasn't the reason for the loss. Raji and Pickett letting Gore waltz through the middle while sipping on some tea early on didn't help, but ultimately the inability to contain and be disciplined, in particular cm3, walden, and jones was what did us in.
Zero2Cool  
#89 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:51:00 AM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
Although I agree this was a mistake, it wasn't the reason for the loss. Raji and Pickett letting Gore waltz through the middle while sipping on some tea early on didn't help, but ultimately the inability to contain and be disciplined, in particular cm3, walden, and jones was what did us in.


There is no one reason the Packers lost, other than they scored less points than the opposition. However, when you let the defense know you're going to pass, pass and pass some more, they can pin their ears back and murder your QB. This results into rushed passes and short drives that produce no points, and it puts your tired defense back on the field with inadequate rest. When people are tired, or exhausted, they make less sharp decisions.

DuJuan Harris was 11 for 53 yards and one TD in the first half. Explain what he did to deserve being left off the field? All he did was get yards and move the chains an extend drives. THAT is what you need your offense to do.
yooperfan  
#90 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:57:01 AM(UTC)
all_about_da_packers said: Go to Quoted Post
Not really.

We were arguably in this game until the start of the 4th Q.

Ross' muffed punt and Rodgers absolutely stupid INT cost us 14 points. How many points did we lost by, again?

(The muffed punt came at an absolute terrible time and very bad position on the field; Packers arguably had the momentum until them).


Oh yes really. That was an ass kicking!

doddpower  
#91 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:33:43 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
There is no one reason the Packers lost, other than they scored less points than the opposition. However, when you let the defense know you're going to pass, pass and pass some more, they can pin their ears back and murder your QB. This results into rushed passes and short drives that produce no points, and it puts your tired defense back on the field with inadequate rest. When people are tired, or exhausted, they make less sharp decisions.

DuJuan Harris was 11 for 53 yards and one TD in the first half. Explain what he did to deserve being left off the field? All he did was get yards and move the chains an extend drives. THAT is what you need your offense to do.


True, I agree. Although, Cobb was in the backfield on several snaps and did get some draws. But overall, I understand your point. McCarthy completely gave up on any possibility of a running game in the 2nd half.

Zero2Cool  
#92 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:40:55 PM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
True, I agree. Although, Cobb was in the backfield on several snaps and did get some draws. But overall, I understand your point. McCarthy completely gave up on any possibility of a running game in the 2nd half.


When Randall Cobb lines up in the backfield, I don't think any defense is really fearing the run that much. That's pretty much an indication of a draw or some variant of a screen.

I'd prefer DuJuan Harris back there because that keeps them guessing between run/pass. Cobb in the backfield says this is gonna be pass, please, tee off on our QB.
Gaycandybacon  
#93 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:26:08 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
When Randall Cobb lines up in the backfield, I don't think any defense is really fearing the run that much. That's pretty much an indication of a draw or some variant of a screen.

I'd prefer DuJuan Harris back there because that keeps them guessing between run/pass. Cobb in the backfield says this is gonna be pass, please, tee off on our QB.


I agree that's predictable. But I like when they're in a empty set and they motion him in the backfield. It makes it more unpredictable for a run/pass.
porky88  
#94 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:53:48 PM(UTC)
I wanted to take 24 hours to digest the game. I thought the 49ers overwhelmed Green Bay in all phases of the game. At halftime, it didn't feel like 24-21. It felt more like 35-21. It was that type of game. The coaching was bad, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I thought the offense gave us some glimpses. The Harris run and James Jones playing outstanding stand out. There were even big plays from Jermichael Finley and Greg Jennings, so the Packer offense was somewhat capable of moving the ball, even if you disregard the garbage touchdown at the end.

The head banger was the defensive breakdown on Kaepernick. A large portion of his yards came on breakdowns. The coverage was good and he found the lane and took off. The Packers had no answer for it, and they kept attempting the same thing repeatedly. Bring pressure. That’s not working, so they bring more pressure. I would rather have seen Kaepernick sit in the pocket and have to throw the ball. Instead, they let him play within his element, and he gave one of the all-time great performances.
gbguy20  
#95 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:06:25 PM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
I wanted to take 24 hours to digest the game. I thought the 49ers overwhelmed Green Bay in all phases of the game. At halftime, it didn't feel like 24-21. It felt more like 35-21. It was that type of game. The coaching was bad, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I thought the offense gave us some glimpses. The Harris run and James Jones playing outstanding stand out. There were even big plays from Jermichael Finley and Greg Jennings, so the Packer offense was somewhat capable of moving the ball, even if you disregard the garbage touchdown at the end.

The head banger was the defensive breakdown on Kaepernick. A large portion of his yards came on breakdowns. The coverage was good and he found the lane and took off. The Packers had no answer for it, and they kept attempting the same thing repeatedly. Bring pressure. That’s not working, so they bring more pressure. I would rather have seen Kaepernick sit in the pocket and have to throw the ball. Instead, they let him play within his element, and he gave one of the all-time great performances.


I couldn't believe it after halftime when the sideline reporter said what our plan was for the second half to contain kaepernick. "We need to bring more pressure." Fucking stunned.
AKampfan78  
#96 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 9:58:48 AM(UTC)
2 things that stick out to me after this loss and this season in general. First, after watching the Packers try to defend the read option, I became very annoyed. This is not some "new" offense, it has been around for a long time. The reason it fell out of popularity, in my opinion is 2 things people learned how to stop it and having a QB that can be effective from it became hard to find. Leaving a QB that exposed over an entire NFL season means he is open to getting hit a lot, if you can catch him that is.

The way to defend this play is to be disciplined football players. Trusting that the other guys will do their jobs and staying focused on yours! You have guys key one the QB and others key the RB and you take them down each play. Sitting there trying to find the ball and then make a play is how you get killed, case in point, Saturday night.


Desmond Bishop to JS Online: Stopping the option begins with fundamentals. "I think really it’s just technique," Bishop said. "I don’t think it’s really about being fast. I mean, you definitely have to be fast and explosive and athletic. But I think it’s technique. This person has this person. That person has that person. Everybody just stay disciplined. So with discipline and technique, I think we can stop it."

The other and IMO more troubling thing is that our offense seems to be stuck in one place and is not evolving at all. Look at the Patriots for example, Tom Brady is amazing and he has that team consistently playing great football but they have changed and evolved through the past seasons. Where is this at in Green Bay?!
doddpower  
#97 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 11:33:12 AM(UTC)
AKampfan78 said: Go to Quoted Post
The other and IMO more troubling thing is that our offense seems to be stuck in one place and is not evolving at all. Look at the Patriots for example, Tom Brady is amazing and he has that team consistently playing great football but they have changed and evolved through the past seasons. Where is this at in Green Bay?!


Well, two things come to mind to answer this question: 1.) Mike McCarthy is not even close to being Bill Belichick, and generally speaking, 2.) Aaron Rodgers is no Tom Brady. Seems straight-forward to me.
AKampfan78  
#98 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 2:59:42 PM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
Well, two things come to mind to answer this question: 1.) Mike McCarthy is not even close to being Bill Belichick, and generally speaking, 2.) Aaron Rodgers is no Tom Brady. Seems straight-forward to me.


I agree but I am not saying they have to be, but a little more creativity would help a lot!
Cheesey  
#99 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 4:23:09 PM(UTC)
The Packers got whipped in every aspect of the game. The score was closer then it should have been.
The week before, they made sure Peterson didn't get away, yet against the niners QB, they didn't keep a "spy" on him to make sure he didn't run away.
It was an awful showing, and reminded me of last season'e defense. (Or lack of D i should say)
And where were our great WR's? Seems that no one could get open.

It seemed that there was no preperation for what the Niners were going to do, and no half time adjustments.
doddpower  
#100 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 5:30:39 PM(UTC)
AKampfan78 said: Go to Quoted Post
I agree but I am not saying they have to be, but a little more creativity would help a lot!


Don't get me wrong, I understand. It's just that comparing McCarthy and/or Rodgers to Belichick and/or Brady is a bit unfair, at least at this point. What they continue to do as a team and organization is amazing, especially if they make it to yet another Super Bowl, and even more so if they win it this season. They are constantly able to evolve and adapt, despite the fact that Brady isn't half the athlete that Rodgers is. Comparing any team to the Patriots over the last decade or so is likely to make the comparing team look bad, as the Patriots are truly in a class of their own, imo. I know a lot of people hate the Patriots (me included, really), but the simple fact is their consistent production and evolution cannot be ignored. Not to mention they are consistently bringing in big time rookies with enormous potential, such as Chandler Jones and Dont'a Hightower this past season that should keep them competitive in the foreseeable future. They make their fair share of mistakes as well, but their consistently is very impressive.
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