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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#91 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 2:41:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Salary aside, if they have CM3, Perry on the outside and Bishop inside they can afford to have Hawk run around out there.

I am not a big Hawk fan one way or the other. He does some things adequately and other things not so well.



he is worth 5.2 mil plus 1.6 for his signing bonus on the 2013 cap.
If they release him they will have 3 years of cap to eat.
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Trading Hawk is the only way of getting rid of him at this point then huh?
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#92 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 2:46:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mortfini Go to Quoted Post
Having said that you don't know how this game would have went if we had a few more players back
Worthy
Perry


At best, I'd say we would have been gashed for 100 less yards and that's giving a LOT of credit to Worthy and Perry. And even then, it'd be pretty pitiful. We were the healthiest we've been all season, if we're going to use injuries as an excuse then this is probably the worst time of year to use it.
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#93 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 2:54:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Trading Hawk is the only way of getting rid of him at this point then huh?


good luck with that.
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#94 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 2:57:04 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
I forgot his name. Oops! But... I would like to see him gone. He's degressed since the superbowl year tremendously. I could say he hasn't been good since the 09' season to be honest. He may never be injured but the guy isn't that fast and pretty much a liability in coverage.


really?

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Offline Pack93z  
#95 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 3:07:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
I think it depends on how much cap can be saved, because the guy is never going to be better than steady. The 3-4 features the linebackers, and if you have mediocrity at any of the positions than it carries on throughout the defense. I think Manning was drafted to replace Hawk, now whether he will be ready or not by next season remains to be seen. Manning was hurt all through training camp last year, but was a good contributor on special teams - hope he's given a chance next year.


I don't think there is anyway the Hawk is not a Packer next season, for several reasons.

1. This was his best year in Green Bay to date as a whole. He has physical limitations in his game, speed mostly, but he is and always has been as consistent as we have. I am not his biggest fan when looking at value in terms of his play vs his contract, but the guy makes plays.

I would love to have a ass kicker like a young Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis.. or a Bowman. Bishop was missed this season.. he has that element to his game, he just lacks blue chip speed.


2. 4.8 Million of cap dollars to be absorbed yet.


Hawk is being used as a scapegoat this season.. hasn't always been the case, but the guy produced this year.

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I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#96 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 3:29:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Trading Hawk is the only way of getting rid of him at this point then huh?


Trade or cut makes no difference. We would gain about 2 million in cap space if we move him before next season.
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#97 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 3:32:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Trade or cut makes no difference. We would gain about 2 million in cap space if we move him before next season.


Bingo.

Cap number 7,050,000 - Cap hit to move him.. 4,800,000
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#98 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 3:35:38 PM(UTC)
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For those saying or thinking that we should let Capers go and move back to 4-3. Main question. Can Clay play MLB? Because he is not going to be a DE in the 4-3.

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#99 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 3:57:50 PM(UTC)
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It really is amazing to me how poorly we are equipped to play the 3-4 defense, and how much better equipped we currently are to play a 4-3 as things stand today. Capers has made some really poor calls with our defense, and especially so when it mattered most over these past two seasons. He was the DC for the worst defense in NFL history.

In his defense, I will say Ted Thompson didn't get the job completely finished when it came to the personnel he has had to work with. Yes, we drafted 6 on his side of the ball last year. However, there was just so much more to do. A GM cannot continually count on first year players to turn one segment or group around. That is what he did with our pass rush, and he failed to adjust after losing his prize piece, Perry, for the season in week 4. He should have signed some insurance opposite Matthews, especially knowing that area of his defense is what hurt the secondary most the previous year.

We should make the switch to the 4-3, like, pronto!

Perry should flourish at DE. Make Matthews your WSLB, the playmaker. Hawk, opposite at SSLB with Bish in the middle. If Hawk proves unable to work out there as a starter, then we'll have a very high priced, experienced backup - but I think he'd be fine with this switch, maybe better. Draft another DE or two, and a good backup NT and we should be set.

If I were Ted, I would load up on both lines this draft, and allow for either a premiere WR or LB talent to be an early choice weighed against the line talent available should one fall.

3-4 defenses call for bigger players than we have, and faster players who are better in coverage as well. To me, Perry is no sure thing as a pass rushing LB in a 3-4 with the coverage responsibilities. Pickett won't last forever, especially if this staff refuses to get the players here for a reasonable rotation. Raji has no backup. None. And, what do we really have at DE?

3 years after winning SB XLV, maybe we will get a pass rush and a more stout defense. Switching to a 4-3 could really help. Can Capers do that effectively? Probably. Then again, maybe not. But, whoever's responsibility this winds up being is going to need more than what Ted gave Capers in 2011 and 2012.
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#100 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 3:59:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post


Hawk is being used as a scapegoat this season.. hasn't always been the case, but the guy produced this year.


I think he was better than many people may think.
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