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Offline Porforis  
#101 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 4:12:49 PM(UTC)
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I think a sour ending has soured our view of many people. During the season, the only coaching-related complaints I heard were at McCarthy for not running enough slants and screens, campen for O line issues. Now, people are questioning Ted Thompson for not drafting big enough defenders, McCarthy's killer instinct, Capers for not adapting well enough, etc. While there's a lot of truth to the complaints, a lot of this is just frustration from this ugly, ugly defeat. There's problems that NEED to be fixed, but the only coaching change I really think might work is if we get rid of Capers for a very good D coordinator that would be willing to run a similar scheme. And I don't think that person exists. Beyond that, let Ted keep drafting (he got a lot of good picks this last draft, sadly several got hurt) and tattoo "Slant!" under one of McCarthy's eyelids, "Run!" under the other and I think we're in good shape.
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#102 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 4:26:26 PM(UTC)
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What happened to the WR going across the middle? Driver always did that, and made some big gains. I don't know why they stopped doing that. It kept the D off of Rodgers, as he would get the ball out fast.
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#103 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 5:20:20 PM(UTC)
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I didn't hear it, but my wife was listening to LeRoy Butler today, and he said after reviewing the film that Capers should be fired. Said SF ran nothing new, and that our defense was really unprepared and made no adjustments at the half.

I hold Butler's opinion in very high regard. Would love to see LeRoy take over as DC!
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#104 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 5:21:18 PM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
For those saying or thinking that we should let Capers go and move back to 4-3. Main question. Can Clay play MLB? Because he is not going to be a DE in the 4-3.



We could run that funky 4-3, 3-4 hybrid that Seattle runs. It's what clay ran in college.

And if Cullen Jenkins gets cut, he would be the PERFECT DE in the scheme (he has exp as a 4-3 end with us), like Red Bryant.

Problem is, outside of Pete Carroll and Gus Bradly (who is up for HC gigs) I don't know anyone who has exp with the system.

... A guy can dream...
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#105 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 5:42:58 PM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
For those saying or thinking that we should let Capers go and move back to 4-3. Main question. Can Clay play MLB? Because he is not going to be a DE in the 4-3.



Yeah, if you read my earlier longer post, I stated that CM3 would be the main wildcard in a switch to a 4-3. Other than that, I think the Packers personnel is much better suited for a 4-3. Perhaps CM3 alone would make the argument to stay with a 3-4, I don't know. I assume he would be an OLB on some plays, and rushing the passer on others. It would take some creativity. Nick Perry is much better suited as a 4-3 DE, and he is almost identical to CM3 in size, with the exception of weighing ~10 more lbs (which who knows how accurate weights ever are). Shea McClellin, 4-3 defensive end drafted by the Bears in the 1st round last year, is basically the same size as both CM3 and Perry, and he had a nice season (although he was mostly projected as a 3-4 OLB). Ositadimma "Osi" Umenyiora is 6'3 and 255 lbs as well according to Wikipedia, although it appears as if he's bigger, and I don't think many would argue that he fits the mold of a 4-3 DE fairly well.

The point is, it would take some creativity by the defensive coordinator, but I would think the flexibility of moving CM3 around could work to the defenses advantage, honestly. I don't really buy into the argument that it's impossible for CM3 to be a DE in a 4-3 system. He basically does the same thing on passing downs already, and the minority of base package calls would just require some creativity.
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#106 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 5:47:25 PM(UTC)
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
It really is amazing to me how poorly we are equipped to play the 3-4 defense, and how much better equipped we currently are to play a 4-3 as things stand today. Capers has made some really poor calls with our defense, and especially so when it mattered most over these past two seasons. He was the DC for the worst defense in NFL history.

In his defense, I will say Ted Thompson didn't get the job completely finished when it came to the personnel he has had to work with. Yes, we drafted 6 on his side of the ball last year. However, there was just so much more to do. A GM cannot continually count on first year players to turn one segment or group around. That is what he did with our pass rush, and he failed to adjust after losing his prize piece, Perry, for the season in week 4. He should have signed some insurance opposite Matthews, especially knowing that area of his defense is what hurt the secondary most the previous year.

We should make the switch to the 4-3, like, pronto!

Perry should flourish at DE. Make Matthews your WSLB, the playmaker. Hawk, opposite at SSLB with Bish in the middle. If Hawk proves unable to work out there as a starter, then we'll have a very high priced, experienced backup - but I think he'd be fine with this switch, maybe better. Draft another DE or two, and a good backup NT and we should be set.

If I were Ted, I would load up on both lines this draft, and allow for either a premiere WR or LB talent to be an early choice weighed against the line talent available should one fall.

3-4 defenses call for bigger players than we have, and faster players who are better in coverage as well. To me, Perry is no sure thing as a pass rushing LB in a 3-4 with the coverage responsibilities. Pickett won't last forever, especially if this staff refuses to get the players here for a reasonable rotation. Raji has no backup. None. And, what do we really have at DE?

3 years after winning SB XLV, maybe we will get a pass rush and a more stout defense. Switching to a 4-3 could really help. Can Capers do that effectively? Probably. Then again, maybe not. But, whoever's responsibility this winds up being is going to need more than what Ted gave Capers in 2011 and 2012.


3-4 does not necessarily call for bigger players. Just look at the 2 most known 3-4 teams. Bal and Pit. Both have had success with it for a long time. Pitt has one big guy in the middle and DE's that are both sub 300 where Bal has 300+ with two 330+. Their LBers are also smaller across the board compared to Baltimore.

It is a matter of the players making plays. Ours up front don't do that consistenlty. We had a high number of Sacks, but it seemed like when we didn't get a sack, we didn't get pressure.
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I didn't hear it, but my wife was listening to LeRoy Butler today, and he said after reviewing the film that Capers should be fired. Said SF ran nothing new, and that our defense was really unprepared and made no adjustments at the half.

I hold Butler's opinion in very high regard. Would love to see LeRoy take over as DC!


you just stuck a dagger into the cheesemiester's heart.
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I didn't hear it, but my wife was listening to LeRoy Butler today, and he said after reviewing the film that Capers should be fired. Said SF ran nothing new, and that our defense was really unprepared and made no adjustments at the half.

I hold Butler's opinion in very high regard. Would love to see LeRoy take over as DC!


Is pretty easy to sit back and say, when your balls are not on the line. I would like to hear what he had to say. What adjustments he thinks would have done something? I've heard terrible analysis from LeRoy along with good.
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#110 Posted : Monday, January 14, 2013 8:46:04 PM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Is pretty easy to sit back and say, when your balls are not on the line. I would like to hear what he had to say. What adjustments he thinks would have done something? I've heard terrible analysis from LeRoy along with good.


While I would also like to see more details and suggestions and don't think Butler would necessarily make a good coach, it is pretty obvious no significant adjustments were made during the game. Whether anybody else would have done any better with or without adjustments, is a lot harder to say.
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