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QCHuskerFan  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:06:24 PM(UTC)
TT is a dumba**. He could have traded for any defensive player he wanted in midseason. He had the perfect trade material. Who wouldn't have wanted Rodgers in a trade in mid October?

Sarcasm.
yooperfan  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:26:26 PM(UTC)
In a word: No.
Porforis  
#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:36:09 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
TT is a dumba**. He could have traded for any defensive player he wanted in midseason. He had the perfect trade material. Who wouldn't have wanted Rodgers in a trade in mid October?

Sarcasm.


Hey, I was saying we should trade Rodgers for Ponder. Rodger's last game? His backup torches the Lions for 400+ yards.

And look at the Vikings when Ponder went down.

Therefore, Ponder >>> Rodgers.
Gaycandybacon  
#24 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:47:54 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
The hypotheticals there are immense. Fact of note is he has made none, neither trades nor FA signings, with 2 seasons of the exact same needs staring him right in the face: pass rush opposite Matthews.

True or no? He had time to try to address this even after Perry was lost for the year.

Two years later, we still see Walden and Zombo out there. You may call it "bitching," but these are very real problems, and concerns there are not unfounded.


Walden played well early in the season, so did Moses. So they felt confident sending Perry on IR and playing with those guys. They just didn't cut it when it counted.

I'm not blaming Ted Thompson or Mike McCarthy or Dom for this. They had to work with what they had. I bet there was nothing better out there.

We will probably part ways with Walden and Zombo out if they don't preform well. Which I think Walden will be gone. Zombo still has a chance. He's been hurt.
Wade  
#25 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:27:02 AM(UTC)
1. Walden: Walden's biggest problem IMO is his inconsistency. He's played great (e.g., playoff game against Minnesota, IMO). And he's played horrible (e.g., playoff game against SF). I give him a bit of a mulligan for 2011 because of "home/personal issues" -- regardless of who is in right or not, those things can affect productivity in many ways. But I don't know what to think given 2012's performance. Where does consistency come from? Can it be developed by the right coach? Is it a question of "growing up"? Can he do a James Jones and go from maddingly inconsistent to a rock? Based on how "the light went on" or whatever you want to call it happened with Jones, I want Walden back AND competing for a starting spot.
2. Perry. Jury's still out here. If the key word for Walden is "inconsistent", the key word for Perry is "potential". He's a first rounder, so the potential is clearly there. But prior to his injury, had he really shown all that much since being drafted. I'm not saying he won't be a great player. Though I'm on record as saying at the time I didn't like the pick, I think he does have to be considered the front-runner/presumptive starter in 2013 because of his draft position. I think it's his job to lose.
3. Free agency. It's almost pointless to talk about big names, since it is so unlikely that Ted Thompson will ever be a major player at the beginning of free agency, but what do people think of Avril from Detroit. I seem to recall a story somewhere that Detroit is *not* going to be franchising him this go-round. Would he fit the Packer system? Is he overrated/underrated? Is he someone worth "over-spending"?
4. Greene (original thread). I think the Packers interior underperformed big time in the SF game. It seems to me the ILBs were part of that, and so it is a black mark for Greene in my book. But the failure in the center was so systematic (Raji was back to his first-2/3rds-of-season underwhelming, as was the secondary; even my man, Ryan Pickett, had a less than stellar game in-between the plays he missed because of injury). I think all the defensive coaches deserve more scrutiny because of it, but I don't think Greene should be singled out.
wpr  
#26 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:39:30 AM(UTC)
Isn't Green the OLB coach? I don't know who is responsible for coaching the inside ones.
Zero2Cool  
#27 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:40:03 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Isn't Green the OLB coach? I don't know who is responsible for coaching the inside ones.


Winston Moss.
wpr  
#28 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:51:15 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Winston Moss.


That's right. I knew someone had the position. I looked at he website and he is not under the defense. He is listed under HC.
Code:

Head Coach

    Mike McCarthy
    Winston Moss - Assistant Head Coach/Inside Linebackers

Offensive Coaches

    Tom Clements - Offensive Coordinator
    Edgar Bennett - Wide Receivers
    James Campen - Offensive Line
    Jerry Fontenot - Tight Ends
    Joel Hilgenberg - Assistant Offensive Line
    Ben McAdoo - Quarterbacks
    John Rushing - Offensive Assistant/Special Teams
    Alex Van Pelt - Running Backs

Defensive Coaches

    Dom Capers - Defensive Coordinator
    Kevin Greene - Outside Linebackers
    Scott McCurley - Defensive Quality Control
    Darren Perry - Secondary - Safeties
    Mike Trgovac - Defensive Line
    Joe Whitt Jr. - Secondary - Cornerbacks

Special Teams Coaches

    Shawn Slocum - Special Teams Coordinator
    Chad Morton - Special Teams Assistant

Strength & Conditioning Staff

    Mark Lovat - Strength & Conditioning Coordinator
    Thadeus Jackson - Strength & Conditioning Assistant
    Zac Woodfin - Strength & Conditioning Assistant
wpr  
#29 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 6:53:34 AM(UTC)
I finally found a code that works for me without doing a 1000 edits. =d>
yooperfan  
#30 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:26:20 AM(UTC)
I'm curious, I don't see an inside linebackers coach on the roster.
Winston Moss was but now it appears that they have none.
What's up with that?
wpr  
#31 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:32:23 AM(UTC)
yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm curious, I don't see an inside linebackers coach on the roster.
Winston Moss was but now it appears that they have none.
What's up with that?


Moss is listed under Mike in the HC section. Dumb way to do it.
Pack93z  
#32 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:33:54 AM(UTC)
yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm curious, I don't see an inside linebackers coach on the roster.
Winston Moss was but now it appears that they have none.
What's up with that?


Since all assistants are at the moment, unsigned for 2013 but the new league year is over a month away why any of them would not be on the staff at the moment.

Just looked.. Moss is still there.


http://www.packers.com/t...8-422b-acf3-59d09345a58d
Pack93z  
#33 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:34:41 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Moss is listed under Mike in the HC section. Dumb way to do it.


Assistant Head Coach.. still don't get that one, but alas that is the title.
wpr  
#34 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:38:57 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Assistant Head Coach.. still don't get that one, but alas that is the title.


yeah yeah yeah. I know. Asst HC. RollEyes
warhawk  
#35 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:51:43 AM(UTC)
We need to get healthy and keep adding to the talent base. THREE first round draft picks losing Perry, Sherrod, and, Bulaga and losing Bishop hurt just as bad. Having Benson along with these guys would have been nice, too.
That's a pretty damn long list of good football players.

These are good football players you need when it's playoff time. Look at SF. The Oline is loaded with #1's and I think I saw where they have had them all the entire year. You put our #1's back on the field for the whole year and I think we get a better game against these better teams.
That's what the hell you pay them that kind of money for.


yooperfan  
#36 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:20:12 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Moss is listed under Mike in the HC section. Dumb way to do it.


Thanks, I missed that.

PackerTraxx  
#37 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:42:26 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Assistant Head Coach.. still don't get that one, but alas that is the title.


Named Ass't Head Coach so the only way he can be hired away while under contract is as Head Coach.
Pack93z  
#38 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:04:11 PM(UTC)
PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
Named Ass't Head Coach so the only way he can be hired away while under contract is as Head Coach.


Yeah.. I get that, the no lateral moves in the NFL without current teams permission.

But why is the question?

He hasn't been an overly in demand coach coupled with the fact that he has been unable to move up the ranks of the Packers at all.
PackerTraxx  
#39 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:30:41 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah.. I get that, the no lateral moves in the NFL without current teams permission.

But why is the question?

He hasn't been an overly in demand coach coupled with the fact that he has been unable to move up the ranks of the Packers at all.



From that standpoint - I don't know why either. Although Bishop has developed nicely, Smith is more than one could expect, Jones seems to be getting better; then we have Hawk, whom we hoped would be better.
longtimefan  
#40 Posted : Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:10:12 AM(UTC)
Before season started I heard he wanted out because Packers wouldnt promote him (dont know what he wanted but do know he wanted to move up)

So I dont think he is fired but is just allowed to leave----UNLESS they got him to change his mind..I havent heard anything more then what I did at training camp time frame
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