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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:47:09 AM(UTC)
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Donald Driver was paid $2.3 million for the 2012 season. The Packers will not be paying Driver that amount in 2013, therefore they can re-allocate that money to another WR, Greg Jennings, who earned $7.3 million for the 2012 season. You add that $2.3 to what Jennings received during 2012 and you get $9.6 million.

The WR franchise tender is going to be around $10.357 million for 2013.



I feel this way because I can't remember a single Ted Thompson drafted "star" that he has let go elsewhere. I think Jennings is a Green Bay Packer for the 2013 season and if he shows he's over this injury bug that got him a little bit in 2011 and a good portion of 2012, I see him getting a 3 or 4 deal during the season.



Here's my source for the 2013 franchise numbers - link.


This says about ~$500k lower, but not sure ...
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Edit, forgot to add that the Packers are carrying about $7 million from 2012 to 2013's salary cap.

Bob McGinn said:
The salary cap will increase minutely next year to about $121.3M. Green Bay will roll over what's left under the present cap, or $7.1M, into 2013 because all of their moves are designed to facilitate contract extensions for Clay Matthews, B.J. Raji and [Aaron] Rodgers in the next six to nine months.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:57:49 AM(UTC)
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I like it. This has been a tough year for him with the groin injury and surgery, missing a ton of games, but he came back and played at a high level. Even if he might have been a half step slower, which it seemed.

Not sure he will command the giant $ in FA, but he may.

If he gets the tag, will he be disgruntled? That's my main concern. Sometimes, I wish that Ted were a better communicator with his players. Then I remember this is business.
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post


I feel this way because I can't remember a single Ted Thompson drafted "star" that he has let go elsewhere.



I agree with this. I don't worry about what Thompson does or does not do with "stars".

Thompson's weakness is what he does with talent at the one or two tiers below "star". (Especially, IMO, with OL talent.) That is the talent he lets get away (Wahle, Wells). That is the talent he most frequently errs with in free agency (Klemm, O'Dwyer, Saturday, Hutchinson). And that is the talent he errs with over and over again in the draft (Colledge, Spitz, Moll, various starters on various other teams).

Thompson insists on not overpaying in free agency. As a general matter, that is what we should want from a general manager. And we especially want it with respect to tier 1 stars -- since overpaying a tier 1 player can restrict other opportunities for years. But overpaying is sometimes necessary.

And because he's good at assessing talent in general, and has a lot of data on his own star players that he doesn't have with other team's star players, he knows when overpaying that star really isn't overpaying at all. What might look like a risk to us, really isn't. He's not going to let Rodgers go, and he's not going to let Matthews go. And, if he believes Jennings is truly a tier 1 star, he's not going to let him go just because he is going to cost mega-gazillions.

I personally think Jennings is gone because I don't think Thompson thinks of him as a tier 1 star in the way he thinks about Rodgers and Matthews. (I disagree and I'll bitch if he goes, but when thinking rationally, on this I'll go with Thompson's track record over mine. He doesn't get the stars wrong.) But if Ted Thompson believes Jennings is tier 1, he won't be going anywhere.

I'm not as confident that Ted Thompson will do the right thing regarding the tier 2 talent that the team needs to go back to the Super Bowl. But I am confident he'll get the tier 1 talent decisions correct more than often enough.




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#4 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:42:44 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Donald Driver was paid $2.3 million for the 2012 season. The Packers will not be paying Driver that amount in 2013, therefore they can re-allocate that money to another WR, Greg Jennings, who earned $7.3 million for the 2012 season. You add that $2.3 to what Jennings received during 2012 and you get $9.6 million.

The WR franchise tender is going to be around $10.357 million for 2013.



I feel this way because I can't remember a single Ted Thompson drafted "star" that he has let go elsewhere. I think Jennings is a Green Bay Packer for the 2013 season and if he shows he's over this injury bug that got him a little bit in 2011 and a good portion of 2012, I see him getting a 3 or 4 deal during the season.



Here's my source for the 2013 franchise numbers - link.


This says about ~$500k lower, but not sure ...
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Edit, forgot to add that the Packers are carrying about $7 million from 2012 to 2013's salary cap.



GB is a better team with him than without him.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 8:43:36 AM(UTC)
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Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I agree with this. I don't worry about what Thompson does or does not do with "stars".

Thompson's weakness is what he does with talent at the one or two tiers below "star". (Especially, IMO, with OL talent.) That is the talent he lets get away (Wahle, Wells). That is the talent he most frequently errs with in free agency (Klemm, O'Dwyer, Saturday, Hutchinson). And that is the talent he errs with over and over again in the draft (Colledge, Spitz, Moll, various starters on various other teams).

Thompson insists on not overpaying in free agency. As a general matter, that is what we should want from a general manager. And we especially want it with respect to tier 1 stars -- since overpaying a tier 1 player can restrict other opportunities for years. But overpaying is sometimes necessary.

And because he's good at assessing talent in general, and has a lot of data on his own star players that he doesn't have with other team's star players, he knows when overpaying that star really isn't overpaying at all. What might look like a risk to us, really isn't. He's not going to let Rodgers go, and he's not going to let Matthews go. And, if he believes Jennings is truly a tier 1 star, he's not going to let him go just because he is going to cost mega-gazillions.

I personally think Jennings is gone because I don't think Thompson thinks of him as a tier 1 star in the way he thinks about Rodgers and Matthews. (I disagree and I'll bitch if he goes, but when thinking rationally, on this I'll go with Thompson's track record over mine. He doesn't get the stars wrong.) But if Ted Thompson believes Jennings is tier 1, he won't be going anywhere.

I'm not as confident that Ted Thompson will do the right thing regarding the tier 2 talent that the team needs to go back to the Super Bowl. But I am confident he'll get the tier 1 talent decisions correct more than often enough.






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Jennings has another year or two before the down side.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:51:43 PM(UTC)
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Jennings has had Favre and Rodgers. I don't want to disrespect the guy, but both of those guys can make WRs look better than they are. I really don't think we need to break the bank on the guy and I would rather use the money filling other needs and draft somebody at WR to work his way up the depth chart. Cobb, Nelson and Jones have carried the load quite well. I also like the idea of increasing TE focus and having a 2 TE attack as part of the offensive scheme like NE is employing.
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TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
Jennings has had Favre and Rodgers. I don't want to disrespect the guy, but both of those guys can make WRs look better than they are. I really don't think we need to break the bank on the guy and I would rather use the money filling other needs and draft somebody at WR to work his way up the depth chart. Cobb, Nelson and Jones have carried the load quite well. I also like the idea of increasing TE focus and having a 2 TE attack as part of the offensive scheme like NE is employing.


:-k

diddn't someone mention this in another post?
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TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
Jennings has had Favre and Rodgers. I don't want to disrespect the guy, but both of those guys can make WRs look better than they are. I really don't think we need to break the bank on the guy and I would rather use the money filling other needs and draft somebody at WR to work his way up the depth chart. Cobb, Nelson and Jones have carried the load quite well. I also like the idea of increasing TE focus and having a 2 TE attack as part of the offensive scheme like NE is employing.


Very true, however, Greg Jennings is open an awful lot. He has a hip move that is duplicated by no one that gets him some really good separation. That's why he's so dangerous in the slot.
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I don't see a single way this'd happen.

The closest thing would be a franchise tag and trade kind of thing. Something we've all called for with Flynn and Jenkins in 2012 and 2011, respectively.

Not Ted's style.

There's a couple of ways people would fit this under the cap and justify spending 10 million dollars on Greg.

One calls for us to cut Tramon. I've gone into that one in the Jennings vs Williams thread, so I won't do it again here.

The other one's to re-allocate Driver's money, like Kevin suggested. Not a big fan of this one, either.

You're going to be operating awfully close to the cap, while we have very capable players at the position and could sign a 3rd, 4th WR a lot cheaper/draft one in april. Doesn't seem like it benefits us a whole lot for the risk we're taking, when we have a couple of must-sign players in line to get a contract extension.

Jennings is expendable at this point, while guys like Raji, Matthews, Williams etc leave you awfully thin at a certain position.

Next to that, Jennings is just not as talented as people tend to give him credit for. He's good, no doubt about it, but he's going towards 30, has some injury problems and has always been one tier below the elite.

He's not coming back.
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