Join Our Green Bay Packers Interactive Community!

We have been providing fans with the best source of Packers information since 2006!
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
3 Pages123>
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline RajiRoar  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:29:16 AM(UTC)
Laser Gunns

Rank: 3rd Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 9/30/2009(UTC)

Applause Given: 43
Applause Received: 256

UPDATE: I added S, and DE to the list.

feel free to dispute my ramblings, or toss up prospects you like more!

TE:
draft: Tyler Eifert, Zach Ertz,Joseph Fauria.
free agency: Fred Davis, Jared Cook
reasoning: MM's offense is all figured out, and we havent had a consistant running attack since Ahman Green. I propose we follow the steps of Bill and Brady and adopt a scheme that involves the TEs much more. IF you can get 2 stud TEs, who can block and act as recievers, you have an instant schematic nightmare for opposing D-coordinators. in these TE sets, we would (ideally) have the ability to run or pass effectivly without having to swap sets. Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers LOVE using the no-huddle, this style of offense would fit PERFECTLY to that. And it gives us essencially 2 extra chip-blockers to help our tackles in protection.

RB:
Draft: Le'Veon Bell, Montee Ball,Stepfan Taylor
free agency: Steven Jackson
reasoning: Da'Juan Harris has some burst, that is for sure. Bur as a starter, he diddn't really do anything to give him an iron grip on the job. The backs I listed can probably be had mid 2nd or later. Alot of draft people have Lacey as the #1 back, I just dont trust any RB running behind that monster line of Alabama.

S:
Draft: T.J. McDonald, D.J. Swearinger (late)
Free Agency: Jairus Byrd.
Reasoning: Assuming Chuck and his 10mil cap hit are gone these are the guys I like. Byrd will probably command top-dollar. so he is extremely unlikley, but the man is worth it. I picked these two safeties becasue of their willingnes to tackle, something we despratly neeed. Swearinger reminds me alot of Bob Sanders (not the coach) could he be an injury risk? maybe. I think he's worth the gamble with a leter pick (3rd+). McDonald will probably be a 2nd rounder, and IMO a prime trade-back pick. There are also a bunch of 6-3+ safties worth a look in the later rounds.. would not be a bad idea in a division with Calvin and Marshall, Kam Chancellor has been a good template for showing that bigger SS's can be effective.

DE:
Draft: William Gholston, Margus Hunt
Free Agency: Chris Canty (only if cheap)
Reasoning: This draft is loaded on the DL, and there are a ton of good prospects. What I am looking for most at DE is strength and size, the rest is up to the coaches. As everyone has noticed over the last few years, our DL is usually on the losing end at the LoS.. Ted had done an AWFUL job of finding players who fit this scheme. Wynn, Wilson, Neal and Raji (to an extent) have been failures. The jury is still out on Worthy's knee, and we still have Pickett at DE. The group gets no push in pass rush and seem pretty easy to run on by teams that are any good. Hunt has a frame similar to JJ Watt, but for whatever reason, Hunt (source Clayton) has not been able to add size to get closer to that 290-300-esh area that he needs to be at. Gholston is as physically gifted as they come, much like his cousin Vernon, although seemingly much better on the field.

ILB:
WR:
C:
LT:

Message modified by user Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:31:47 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified



MintBaconDrivel

Dec, 11, 2012 - FOREVER!
Offline PackerTraxx  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:00:38 PM(UTC)
PackerTraxx

Rank: 2nd Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/13/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 18
Applause Received: 127

Makes sense. But I'm a firm believer in BPA so it depends on how the draft shapes up. We can use upgrades at nearly every position except QB and possibly OLB if Perry comes through. I would take any of the top 12-15 players if they fell to us.

Edit: I should say if the Packer are confident Perry will be an impact player.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
thanks Post received 1 applause.
nerdmann on 1/17/2013(UTC)
Offline Bigbyfan  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:09:53 PM(UTC)
Bigbyfan

Rank: 4th Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 26
Applause Received: 81

One move I would like is to upgrade the MLB position with a more physical presence. One possible solution to this is to cut AJ Hawk and use that money on Baltimore FA Dannell Ellerbe. IMO he has had the most impact of any of their LB. Although an argument could be made that Paul Kruger has had the most impact, another potential FA.
blank
Offline Pack93z  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:17:38 PM(UTC)
Pack93z

Rank: Hall of Famer

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Bronze: 2012

United States
Joined: 3/16/2007(UTC)
Location: North Central Wisconsin

Applause Given: 399
Applause Received: 1,078

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan Go to Quoted Post
One move I would like is to upgrade the MLB position with a more physical presence. One possible solution to this is to cut AJ Hawk and use that money on Baltimore FA Dannell Ellerbe. IMO he has had the most impact of any of their LB. Although an argument could be made that Paul Kruger has had the most impact, another potential FA.


A couple of thoughts on this post.

1) Hawk remaining signing bonus chews up most of his cap savings by cutting his base salary.. we would still owe.

2) Bishop and Smith will be back next season.. Bishop especially brings the wood. Smith is a very good young developing player. Depth is not an issue in terms of ILB.

Could we use a blue chip head knocking Backer.. absolutely.. but we have a head knocker coming back next season. Lacks blue chip speed.. but can lay the wood.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

UserPostedImage
Offline Bigbyfan  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:29:21 PM(UTC)
Bigbyfan

Rank: 4th Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 26
Applause Received: 81

1. Good point about the signing bonus. I'm not very cap savvy and wasn't aware of the structure of his contract structure.

2. Yes Bishop and Smith are coming back, but Ellerbe's pass coverage skills are by far better than either of them. If you pair Bishop and Ellerbe, the Packers would have a poor man's version of the 49ers inside linebackers Willis and Bowman. That could do a lot for this defense.

I am fully aware that Thompson chooses to stay away from the bigger names in FA and build through the draft and "bargain" FA, but this is a scenario I would love to happen.
blank
Offline Pack93z  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:32:16 PM(UTC)
Pack93z

Rank: Hall of Famer

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Bronze: 2012

United States
Joined: 3/16/2007(UTC)
Location: North Central Wisconsin

Applause Given: 399
Applause Received: 1,078

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan Go to Quoted Post


2. Yes Bishop and Smith are coming back, but Ellerbe's pass coverage skills are by far better than either of them. If you pair Bishop and Ellerbe, the Packers would have a poor man's version of the 49ers inside linebackers Willis and Bowman. That could do a lot for this defense.


See.. and I thought for a second year player, Smith was giving us that boost as a coverage backer. Personally, I am really high on the rotation of Hawk, Bishop and Smith. I think with a bit more seasoning, Smith may become that an excellent player for this team and scheme.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

UserPostedImage
Offline PackerTraxx  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:33:43 PM(UTC)
PackerTraxx

Rank: 2nd Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/13/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 18
Applause Received: 127

I think Ted Thompson will spend the money in FA is he feels it's worth it but he won't reach. He did with Woodson. However, there aren't many FA's like that and he now has less cap room to work with.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
Offline PackerTraxx  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:49:08 PM(UTC)
PackerTraxx

Rank: 2nd Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/13/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 18
Applause Received: 127

My wish for the draft would be for a blue chip player to fall to us at any position except QB or OLB(I still have high hopes for Perry). Even if it was a receiver which most would say we don't need. Of course, this is assuming the rest of the draft goes normal or better for TT.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
Offline Bigbyfan  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:49:53 PM(UTC)
Bigbyfan

Rank: 4th Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 26
Applause Received: 81

Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
See.. and I thought for a second year player, Smith was giving us that boost as a coverage backer. Personally, I am really high on the rotation of Hawk, Bishop and Smith. I think with a bit more seasoning, Smith may become that an excellent player for this team and scheme.



I believe he can be a good player too. My only issue is that he is a bit undersized for the position, which seems to be an issue for a lot of our players.
blank
Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 3:53:23 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

Joined: 9/26/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 13
Applause Received: 398

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan Go to Quoted Post
One move I would like is to upgrade the MLB position with a more physical presence. One possible solution to this is to cut AJ Hawk and use that money on Baltimore FA Dannell Ellerbe. IMO he has had the most impact of any of their LB. Although an argument could be made that Paul Kruger has had the most impact, another potential FA.


I'm not sold on Ellerbe, I think he looks better than he actually is because of the players surrounding him. Playing between Suggs, lewis, Ngata and Reed will make many plays look good. I also don't like his size. I want to see our MLBers run 255-260 with speed. Like Clay in the middle.
The world needs ditch diggers to Danny!!!
UserPostedImage
Offline doddpower  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:17:36 PM(UTC)
DoddPower

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Gold: 2011

United States
Joined: 9/24/2007(UTC)
Location: Visalia, CA

Applause Given: 2,093
Applause Received: 530

Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
See.. and I thought for a second year player, Smith was giving us that boost as a coverage backer. Personally, I am really high on the rotation of Hawk, Bishop and Smith. I think with a bit more seasoning, Smith may become that an excellent player for this team and scheme.



Any concern about DJ Smith coming back from his injury? I thought it was pretty nasty.

Offline shield4life  
#12 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:44:32 AM(UTC)
shield4life

Rank: 3rd Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Location: Montreal

Applause Given: 3
Applause Received: 24

What we need this off season:

Offense:

HB - WR - CENTER

*Let's hope Ted Thompson actually signs Steven Jackson this off season, rather have him over any HB that's on this team.

Steven Jackson / Benson / Harris

Defense:

MLB / DE / DT / Safety

IMO Safety & D-line most important voids to fill in.
Glad To Be A Packers Fan.
Offline shield4life  
#13 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:46:27 AM(UTC)
shield4life

Rank: 3rd Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Location: Montreal

Applause Given: 3
Applause Received: 24

Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
I think Ted Thompson will spend the money in FA is he feels it's worth it but he won't reach. He did with Woodson. However, there aren't many FA's like that and he now has less cap room to work with.


Expect some players to be cut ...

Woodson / Hawk / Driver ... possibly 3 packers that won't be around ...

Saturday is gone too, can't seem to remember if he got a two year deal or just one.
Glad To Be A Packers Fan.
Offline QCHuskerFan  
#14 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:19:23 AM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan

Rank: 6th Round Draft Pick

Joined: 12/30/2010(UTC)

Applause Given: 96
Applause Received: 161

There is no way Ted Thompson will ever ante up money for Jackson. And I pray to God in thanks for that.

Jackson is exactly why Ted Thompson doesn't play in the FA market. Why pay top/ high dollar for someone on the downhill side of their career? And Jackson is declining. Maybe if Jackson would sign for the minimum, ok. But anything above that? No.

Defensively, MLB is more of a need to me than safety. Hawk is average and needs replaced in 2014 anyway. Our next 2 are coming off major injuries and are a concern. Jones did well, all things considered, but... Upgrades are very necessary, in my opinion.
thanks Post received 1 applause.
nerdmann on 1/17/2013(UTC)
Offline RajiRoar  
#15 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:09:10 AM(UTC)
Laser Gunns

Rank: 3rd Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 9/30/2009(UTC)

Applause Given: 43
Applause Received: 256

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
.

Jackson is exactly why Ted Thompson doesn't play in the FA market. Why pay top/ high dollar for someone on the downhill side of their career? And Jackson is declining. Maybe if Jackson would sign for the minimum, ok. But anything above that? No.


I doubt he will go for minimum, but i'm pretty sure SJAX would be cheap, he wants a ring, not a payday.


MintBaconDrivel

Dec, 11, 2012 - FOREVER!
Offline play2win  
#16 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:36:15 AM(UTC)
play2win

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 3/29/2012(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee

Applause Given: 1,076
Applause Received: 725

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
There is no way Ted Thompson will ever ante up money for Jackson. And I pray to God in thanks for that.

Jackson is exactly why Ted Thompson doesn't play in the FA market. Why pay top/ high dollar for someone on the downhill side of their career? And Jackson is declining. Maybe if Jackson would sign for the minimum, ok. But anything above that? No.

Defensively, MLB is more of a need to me than safety. Hawk is average and needs replaced in 2014 anyway. Our next 2 are coming off major injuries and are a concern. Jones did well, all things considered, but... Upgrades are very necessary, in my opinion.


I agree. Harris will be great, if they just give the guy the carries. Green too.

As for Hawk, Ted invested quite a lot in him, and his ceilings are readily apparent. I thought he played much better this year, but he remains a bit of of a liability in coverage across the middle, and seems just a bit slow for the position. Brad Jones, while I thought his play improved as well, I just don't see him as a nose for the ball kind of MLB that we need to shut down the run at the line. He seems too small and has difficulty getting off blocks. His 2 sacks came against JAX and TEN. I thought his height would help him more in coverage.

We could use a real upgrade in the middle of our Linebacking corps. Right now, it seems we don't have those players you fear over the middle.

thanks Post received 1 applause.
QCHuskerFan on 1/17/2013(UTC)
Offline nerdmann  
#17 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:07:35 PM(UTC)
nerdmann

Rank: Most Valuable Player

Joined: 9/14/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 2,709
Applause Received: 664

Offensive needs: C, WR, QB

Defensive needs: NT, OLB, S
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Offline play2win  
#18 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:09:17 PM(UTC)
play2win

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 3/29/2012(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee

Applause Given: 1,076
Applause Received: 725

Do we switch to a 4-3? That could really factor in big with how we approach this draft.

NE made the switch last season, and it wasn't without some pain for them. DAL looks to be making the switch. A good 3-4 takes some special players, and we appear short on some of those up front. It will be interesting to see how they go from here to upgrade our D. Regardless of scheme, I do think MLB is a position calling out for an upgrade, even if Bish comes back.

Figure Perry and Worthy are both prototypical 4-3 players. It wouldn't take a whole lot to make that change. I would love to see some giants added to our DL, players who can bull rush to the passer, and who are stout against the run.
Offline QCHuskerFan  
#19 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:25:01 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan

Rank: 6th Round Draft Pick

Joined: 12/30/2010(UTC)

Applause Given: 96
Applause Received: 161

I don't see the switch happening. Management likes the 3-4 because it is easier/ cheaper to find 8 LB's than it is to find 8 DL. The 3-4 is arguably better for special teams also because you have more LB's instead of DL available.

Then there is our current roster. CM3 is a special player in the 3-4. In the 4-3, he would be wasted. Much like Aaron Kampman was in the transition the other way. The difference is CM3>>>>> Kampy. So why would you make a change that essentially nullifies your best player? It would be like installing the Wildcat on Offense. If you take Aaron Rodgers away from the ball, the other team wins. Putting Matthews as a 4-3 LB would be to the advantage of the Bears, Lions, etc.

But I've been wrong before. Lots. More than anyone else, I bet. Just ask my wife.
Offline RajiRoar  
#20 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:53:30 PM(UTC)
Laser Gunns

Rank: 3rd Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 9/30/2009(UTC)

Applause Given: 43
Applause Received: 256

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
CM3>>>>> Kampy.


dontchu talk bad about kampy!Shame on you

you used way too many ">"s.



MintBaconDrivel

Dec, 11, 2012 - FOREVER!
Offline play2win  
#21 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:05:01 PM(UTC)
play2win

Rank: 1st Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 3/29/2012(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee

Applause Given: 1,076
Applause Received: 725

Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
I don't see the switch happening. Management likes the 3-4 because it is easier/ cheaper to find 8 LB's than it is to find 8 DL. The 3-4 is arguably better for special teams also because you have more LB's instead of DL available.

Then there is our current roster. CM3 is a special player in the 3-4. In the 4-3, he would be wasted. Much like Aaron Kampman was in the transition the other way. The difference is CM3>>>>> Kampy. So why would you make a change that essentially nullifies your best player? It would be like installing the Wildcat on Offense. If you take Aaron Rodgers away from the ball, the other team wins. Putting Matthews as a 4-3 LB would be to the advantage of the Bears, Lions, etc.

But I've been wrong before. Lots. More than anyone else, I bet. Just ask my wife.


Hey, I was looking up some switch history articles earlier, one on NE's switch to a 4-3, and some commentary about what GB might expect in doing the same. Author had exact same response regarding Matthews. I just do not see it quite like the Kampman thing at all. Matthews is great in coverage. He's also adept at blowing up running plays. But, I do see an advantage to keeping him as a pass rusher in a 3-4. Matthews is a true LB with awesome pass rush skills. Kampman was a true DE with awesome pass rush skills, but not many of those guys can cover well.

We just need better players at a couple of key positions to shore up our weaknesses.

... and my wife would never tell you that I'm ever wrong... Big Grin ugh. I just hope Perry and Worthy come back healthy, and that we can add the right talent at the right positions.
Offline RajiRoar  
#22 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 2:31:30 PM(UTC)
Laser Gunns

Rank: 3rd Round Draft Pick

United States
Joined: 9/30/2009(UTC)

Applause Given: 43
Applause Received: 256

we won't go back to a 4-3, Mike McCarthy said something to the effect of wishing he'd switched to a 3-4 earlier. after we hired Dom/fired Sanders.


MintBaconDrivel

Dec, 11, 2012 - FOREVER!
Offline PackerTraxx  
#23 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:04:19 PM(UTC)
PackerTraxx

Rank: 2nd Round Draft Pick

Joined: 8/13/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 18
Applause Received: 127

One of the advantages for years was that most teams ran a 4-3 so there were more 3-4 type players available for the teams that ran it. The year we switched I believe there were 10 or 12 other teams that also switched. Add this to the teams that were running it and the talent pool became somewhat diluted. At least that's a theory of mine. On the other hand the players just keep getting bigger and faster so I'm not sure what effect this has overall.
Why is Jerry Kramer not in the Hall of Fame?
thanks Post received 1 applause.
play2win on 1/17/2013(UTC)
Offline QCHuskerFan  
#24 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:15:11 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan

Rank: 6th Round Draft Pick

Joined: 12/30/2010(UTC)

Applause Given: 96
Applause Received: 161

Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Hey, I was looking up some switch history articles earlier, one on NE's switch to a 4-3, and some commentary about what GB might expect in doing the same. Author had exact same response regarding Matthews. I just do not see it quite like the Kampman thing at all. Matthews is great in coverage. He's also adept at blowing up running plays. But, I do see an advantage to keeping him as a pass rusher in a 3-4. Matthews is a true LB with awesome pass rush skills. Kampman was a true DE with awesome pass rush skills, but not many of those guys can cover well.

We just need better players at a couple of key positions to shore up our weaknesses.

... and my wife would never tell you that I'm ever wrong... Big Grin ugh. I just hope Perry and Worthy come back healthy, and that we can add the right talent at the right positions.


My analogy with Kampman was in taking arguably the best player in our front 7 and moving him out of his best position to make plays. Kampy was a great 4-3 end. He was a fair (being gentle!) OLB. CM3 is arguably one of the best defensive playmakers in the business. He would be a good OLB in a 4-3. But he is a great OLB in a 3-4. Put your playmakers in a position to make plays.

Different analogy. Would you consider installing a Zone Read offense for AR? No, because every time he would run would be one less time he could pass. He's a top 3 QB in the league. So why change and take him out of his element?

Another thought. Most of us see a need for better DL next year. That's with only filling 6 positions. Imagine what our quality would be like if we had to fill 8? If you can't find 6 good wide bodies, what makes you think we could find 8?
Offline DakotaT  
#25 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:28:41 PM(UTC)
DakotaT

Rank: Super Bowl MVP

Joined: 8/18/2008(UTC)

Applause Given: 668
Applause Received: 1,373

To me, our biggest need is DL, and that depends on the resigning of Pickett. Raji and Pickett should be platooning at the NT position, not playing next to each other, so they can stay fresh. But that would mean Mike Neal needs to stay healthy and take the next step, along with Worthy at the other DE. So I could see us picking up another DE with a high pick, and a developmental NT is definitely needed because Daniels is just not big enough to play the position. I fully expect to see Pickett resigned because I think he wants to be a Packer and will take a little less to stay. There is no such thing as being too stacked on the DL.

UserPostedImage
thanks Post received 1 applause.
nerdmann on 1/17/2013(UTC)
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest
3 Pages123>
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error

Tweeter

Recent Topics
48m / Green Bay Packers Talk / yooperfan

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / uffda udfa

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / dyeah_gb

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / polargrizz

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / porky88

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / warhawk

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Rios39

10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

25-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

24-Nov / Green Bay Packers Talk / DoddPower