Green Bay Packers Forum

Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
10 Pages«<78910>
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline doddpower  
#121 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 3:55:33 PM(UTC)

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Gold: 2011

Rank: Veteran Member
United States
Joined: 9/24/2007(UTC)
Location: Visalia, CA
Applause Given: 2,576
Applause Received: 668
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I dunno. How do we know that the problem hasn't been Campen but the personnel department (scouts, etc.) who haven't identified the right talent? Maybe with the exception of Sitton, Campen simply has been given average/below-average pro talent to work with? How many failed Packer linemen have gone on to notable improvement post-GB?




There is no way to properly quantify this. But He's been given some nice talent, undoubtedly, imo, especially with guys like Bulaga, who has really struggled being consistent. And then there's the whole flipping players between positions too much, such as Sherrod at guard, when it was always pretty obvious he was a tackle. I think the biggest thing has been the consistency of the offensive line. Sometimes they play great, others, very bad.
Offline Wade  
#122 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:27:26 PM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 8/1/2009(UTC)
Location: nowhere of importance
Applause Given: 783
Applause Received: 792
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
There is no way to properly quantify this. But He's been given some nice talent, undoubtedly, imo, especially with guys like Bulaga, who has really struggled being consistent. And then there's the whole flipping players between positions too much, such as Sherrod at guard, when it was always pretty obvious he was a tackle. I think the biggest thing has been the consistency of the offensive line. Sometimes they play great, others, very bad.


Is Campen the one responsible for the "flipping approach"? Or is that McCarthy? (I ask because I don't know...who makes those recommendations/decisions, head coach, coordinator, or position coach?
Offline Zero2Cool  
#123 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:17:14 PM(UTC)

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

Rank: Premier Member
United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,123
Applause Received: 2,782
Kevin Greene said:
Does a fat baby fart? Big time. Absolutely. No doubt about it. He's the same guy that took a defense from No. 24 to No. 5, or No. 2, then the Super Bowl year we're No. 5. He's the same guy. This is the same system. I mean, yeah, Dom is without a doubt the right guy. I think that's about it there.


Anyone see the problem with this?
Offline SINCITYCHEEZE  
#124 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:32:49 PM(UTC)

Rank: Member
United States
Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 168
Applause Received: 110
http://www.beloitdailyne...2-9a42-0019bb2963f4.html

Here is a compelling argument for getting rid of Capers.It's from my hometown paper in Beloit.This guy has been the sports editor there for years.
Offline rabidgopher04  
#125 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 8:09:51 PM(UTC)

Rank: Member
Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 126
Applause Received: 146
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Anyone see the problem with this?


Skinny babies fart too.
Offline Gaycandybacon  
#126 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:55:00 PM(UTC)

Rank: Registered
United States
Joined: 9/17/2012(UTC)
Location: Hanover Park, IL
Applause Given: 145
Applause Received: 178
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Anyone see the problem with this?


This is the same system? idk..
thanks Post received 1 applause.
Zero2Cool on 1/16/2013(UTC)
Offline RajiRoar  
#127 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:27:47 PM(UTC)

Rank: Member
United States
Joined: 9/30/2009(UTC)
Applause Given: 47
Applause Received: 308
Ray Horton is available.
Offline doddpower  
#128 Posted : Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:33:18 PM(UTC)

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Gold: 2011

Rank: Veteran Member
United States
Joined: 9/24/2007(UTC)
Location: Visalia, CA
Applause Given: 2,576
Applause Received: 668
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
Ray Horton is available.


It would be incredible to land him, but I can't imagine it happening. Why would he go from one defensive coordinator position to another, despite the apparent upgrade in teams. He's likely to end up a head coach somewhere. What's left open out there? I think it would be neat to have Horton or Lovey Smith as defensive coordinator next season, but neither one of those is going to happen. It's going to be Dom Capers, no doubt.
Offline Packers_Finland  
#129 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 2:23:14 AM(UTC)

Rank: Registered
Joined: 8/11/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 88
Applause Received: 45
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I dunno. How do we know that the problem hasn't been Campen but the personnel department (scouts, etc.) who haven't identified the right talent? Maybe with the exception of Sitton, Campen simply has been given average/below-average pro talent to work with? How many failed Packer linemen have gone on to notable improvement post-GB?




He couldn't get anything out of Saturday for one. And Breno Giacomini is doing fine in Seattle.

As some have said though, it's really hard to quantify. But it's as easy as going: "The defense sucks, get rid of Capers" as it is to say "Campen sucks get rid of him". The OL sucks way worse than our D too.
Offline RajiRoar  
#130 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 3:37:53 AM(UTC)

Rank: Member
United States
Joined: 9/30/2009(UTC)
Applause Given: 47
Applause Received: 308
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
It would be incredible to land him, but I can't imagine it happening. Why would he go from one defensive coordinator position to another, despite the apparent upgrade in teams. He's likely to end up a head coach somewhere. What's left open out there? I think it would be neat to have Horton or Lovey Smith as defensive coordinator next season, but neither one of those is going to happen. It's going to be Dom Capers, no doubt.


Cards hired a new DC, all HC gigs are filled up, he doesn't have much of a choice.
thanks Post received 1 applause.
Wade on 1/18/2013(UTC)
Offline Zero2Cool  
#131 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 5:55:57 AM(UTC)

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

Rank: Premier Member
United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,123
Applause Received: 2,782
Breno Giacomini doesn't play on defense, nor does he have anything to do Dom Capers. However, he was ranked 69th, lower than all the Packers Tackle's with 25% of snaps played.
thanks Post received 1 applause.
Wade on 1/18/2013(UTC)
Offline Wade  
#132 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 10:01:03 AM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 8/1/2009(UTC)
Location: nowhere of importance
Applause Given: 783
Applause Received: 792
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Breno Giacomini doesn't play on defense, nor does he have anything to do Dom Capers. However, he was ranked 69th, lower than all the Packers Tackle's with 25% of snaps played.


Ah, so you're trying (again) to get us to stay on topic, are you, Kevin?

Good luck on that. [grin1]

p.s. had to give Finland an applause, even if it were offtopic, for finding a way to bring a Packer OL reject into the conversation. [grin1]

Offline doddpower  
#133 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 10:45:20 AM(UTC)

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Gold: 2011

Rank: Veteran Member
United States
Joined: 9/24/2007(UTC)
Location: Visalia, CA
Applause Given: 2,576
Applause Received: 668
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
Cards hired a new DC, all HC gigs are filled up, he doesn't have much of a choice.


Yeah, I just saw that this morning. Horton definitely wasn't happy with what went down in Arizona. Well, Horton is obviously going to be an assistant coach again next season, and very likely a defensive coordinator. This presents a perfect opportunity for the Packers to make a move. As I said, just like the Packers and big time free agents, this isn't going to happen, unfortunately. If there's one guy that would require very little transition in terms of scheme, and bring in a fresh up-and-coming mind, this would be the hire. Sometimes being too loyal can be a bad thing, and can ultimately hurt a franchise. I'm not saying this is one of those circumstances, but there's really no reason to believe Horton couldn't do at least as good of a job as Capers, and in the opinion of many, he would likely do a lot better, especially in terms of adjustments.

Oh well, it is what it is. At least Capers defense can beat up on bottom tiered teams.
Offline gbguy20  
#134 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 10:50:11 AM(UTC)

Rank: Senior Member
Joined: 8/28/2009(UTC)
Applause Given: 316
Applause Received: 368
Say we hire Horton, and he works wonders with out defense, how many of you think we get a 2nd year with Horton?

my guess is we don't.
Offline doddpower  
#135 Posted : Friday, January 18, 2013 11:02:08 AM(UTC)

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Gold: 2011

Rank: Veteran Member
United States
Joined: 9/24/2007(UTC)
Location: Visalia, CA
Applause Given: 2,576
Applause Received: 668
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Say we hire Horton, and he works wonders with out defense, how many of you think we get a 2nd year with Horton?

my guess is we don't.


If we were able to win a Super Bowl out of the deal, would it really matter? Or does the prospect of Dom Capers for another three years really sound that much better? Perhaps after another couple of horrible defenses playoff collapses?

I understand Dom could use more talent. It makes the job of any coordinator easier with a ton of talent. However, it'd be nice to have someone who could maximize the current talent the Packers have on a consistent level. The Packers do have a lot of talent on defense, and it's hard to imagine other coordinators out there couldn't get more out of it. Dom is and can be a decent coach. Perhaps even really good with a ton of talent. It's just tough for me to ever be that satisfied with "good" or "decent," but perhaps I'm just too impatient. There's probably a reason I don't coach in the NFL. =/

Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest (3)
10 Pages«<78910>
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error


Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (5h) : Embrace the awesome. Do it!
gbguy20 (8h) : IM SO UNDECIDED
gbguy20 (8h) : I want to upgrade, but I have 2 partitions set up right now, and i don't really want to undo all of that. and i don't want to keep it either
Zero2Cool (31-Jul) : Fun. Took a few tweaks, but I like it. Upgraded work laptop too.
gbguy20 (31-Jul) : how is it? still sitting on my download.
Zero2Cool (30-Jul) : Windows. 10. Baby!
Zero2Cool (29-Jul) : Get it going!
gbguy20 (29-Jul) : press conferences galore today and yesterday, new jersey unveiled WHAT ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT
gbguy20 (29-Jul) : First practice is tomorrow, why have i seen literally no talk about this on the forum?
Zero2Cool (25-Jul) : Steelers August 23 game vs. Green Bay moved to 1 p.m.
Zero2Cool (22-Jul) : I was saying before it would be awesome if he did a story a week on YouTube or something.
Cheesey (22-Jul) : They should make a DVD of just stories from the "Favre years". It would be awesome!
Zero2Cool (19-Jul) : That was really awesome. I wish more stories were told.
Zero2Cool (18-Jul) : Wanna watch it?
dhazer (18-Jul) : Packers all day including the ceremony tonight in chat
dhazer (18-Jul) : why doesnt this work
Smokey (18-Jul) : less posting = less abuse
gbguy20 (18-Jul) : smokey lives
Smokey (17-Jul) : Perfect ?
Zero2Cool (17-Jul) : Perfect time to clean the shouty boxy ;-)
Please sign in to use Fan Shout

Road To Super Bowl 50
Sunday, Sep 13 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Sunday, Sep 20 @ 7:30 PM
SEAHAWKS
Monday, Sep 28 @ 7:30 PM
CHIEFS
Sunday, Oct 4 @ 3:25 PM
at 49ers
Sunday, Oct 11 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Oct 18 @ 3:25 PM
CHARGERS
Sunday, Oct 25 @ 12:00 AM
- BYE -
Sunday, Nov 1 @ 7:30 PM
at Broncos
Sunday, Nov 8 @ 12:00 PM
at Panthers
Sunday, Nov 15 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 22 @ 12:00 PM
at Vikings
Thursday, Nov 26 @ 7:30 PM
BEARS
Thursday, Dec 3 @ 7:25 PM
at Lions
Sunday, Dec 13 @ 3:25 PM
COWBOYS
Sunday, Dec 20 @ 3:05 PM
at Raiders
Sunday, Dec 27 @ 3:25 PM
at Cardinals
Sunday, Jan 3 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS

Think About It
Think About It

Recent Topics
37m / Green Bay Packers Talk / texaspackerbacker

51m / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

4h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

31-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / sschind

31-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

31-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dhazer

30-Jul / Announcements / dfosterf

30-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

30-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann


Tweeter