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Online DakotaT  
#16 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 5:18:24 PM(UTC)

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You have no theory and you are solely basing your response on conjecture where mine had facts in it. You can look them up yourself. Also, Scott Wells didn't want to return to the Packers and admitted as much. and Wells wasn't franchise tag worthy. That brings up a question, is Greg Jennings worth the $10 million for 2013 season?

Greg Jennings is clearly the best WR the Packers have. I'd rather Jennings on the roster and let Jermichael Finley go and see Andrew Quarless earn the starting TE position.

There are some consequences to tagging someone an hoping for a trade. It happened once, with Corey Williams. The CBA and some rules have changed since then, which makes me doubt we'll see that move again for the Ted Thompson Packers. The moment that player signs the tender, it becomes guaranteed cash and that is exactly why the Packers didn't franchise tag Matt Flynn. He would have been entitled to something like $15 million to sit on the bench.



A three year deal is all I'd offer Jennings and not at $10M per either. Just because he happens to be our top receiver at the moment doesn't justify overpaying him. The Wells and Jennings situation is a lot different because one of the strengths of the Packers is the depth of the WR position - but the depth of the OLine causes a lot of concern. The Packers should have franchised Wells. Who gives a shit about hurt feelings.

I would be for franchising Jennings for a year - but then he is gone anyway after that.
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#17 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 5:19:31 PM(UTC)

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I think Jennings might be happy if he gets paid. But, something tells me he wants that shot at the open market, and Ted just might let him hit it. That's kind of his MO.
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#18 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 5:59:37 PM(UTC)

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I think play to win is right. I think Jennings
has an inflated opinions of himself and will want
the moon. seems like his talk has been
towards his wanting out of Green Bay.
I think he's good, but his attitude this season
has been strange.
I don't see Ted overpaying for him.
besides the fact that gb needs a full
defensive overhaul. I don't know if they
can get enough defense pieces to fix
the problems they have to be competitive
with the higher tier teams.
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#19 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 7:14:01 PM(UTC)

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It depends on what kind of ass Jennings' agent is.

Jennings definitely falls under the category of Packers people, and I think he definitely would consider a discount. As the #1 WR here, he knows that there are two other #1 receivers on this team, and he knows that Jermichael Finley could have another year to prove himself.

He already stated quite plainly that he "hopes" he's not franchised. IMO, especially considering the fact that he's a 2nd round draft choice who has outplayed every contract he's signed, he deserves to hit the open market. Maybe he'll turn out to be like James Jones. Not in the sense that nobody will show interest, but in the sense that he'll figure that GB is the proper home for him.

I think we all know Jennings needs Green Bay more than Green Bay needs him, but I also think the goal of any NFL player on the business sides of things who turns out to be good deserves their shot at a big payday.
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#20 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 7:22:59 PM(UTC)

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It depends on what kind of ass Jennings' agent is.

Jennings definitely falls under the category of Packers people, and I think he definitely would consider a discount. As the #1 WR here, he knows that there are two other #1 receivers on this team, and he knows that Jermichael Finley could have another year to prove himself.

He already stated quite plainly that he "hopes" he's not franchised. IMO, especially considering the fact that he's a 2nd round draft choice who has outplayed every contract he's signed, he deserves to hit the open market. Maybe he'll turn out to be like James Jones. Not in the sense that nobody will show interest, but in the sense that he'll figure that GB is the proper home for him.

I think we all know Jennings needs Green Bay more than Green Bay needs him, but I also think the goal of any NFL player on the business sides of things who turns out to be good deserves their shot at a big payday.


Not a good thing then. His Agent is the same as Fitzgerald. Who has also has Suh, who held out his rookie contact, and Michael Crabtree who also held out into the regular season.
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#21 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 7:42:59 PM(UTC)

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Cheesey said: Go to Quoted Post
I think play to win is right. I think Jennings
has an inflated opinions of himself and will want
the moon. seems like his talk has been
towards his wanting out of Green Bay.
I think he's good, but his attitude this season
has been strange.
I don't see Ted overpaying for him.
besides the fact that gb needs a full
defensive overhaul. I don't know if they
can get enough defense pieces to fix
the problems they have to be competitive
with the higher tier teams.


It was kind of weird wasn't it Cheesey? I mean, I could see how he would have been a bit frustrated trying to come back from the groin injury, but he seemed like he wasn't all in with the rest of the team. I thought that was surprising. I like the player a lot, and wish he could recapture his will to win like he had in 2010, which was unmistakable. I just don't know if he will have that if he gets tagged. Might be best to move on now... Sadly. He's a great talent still.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:07:08 AM(UTC)

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A three year deal is all I'd offer Jennings and not at $10M per either. Just because he happens to be our top receiver at the moment doesn't justify overpaying him. The Wells and Jennings situation is a lot different because one of the strengths of the Packers is the depth of the WR position - but the depth of the OLine causes a lot of concern. The Packers should have franchised Wells. Who gives a shit about hurt feelings.

I would be for franchising Jennings for a year - but then he is gone anyway after that.


I wouldn't do a three year deal. I'd want to see that he can stay healthy, which is why I said the franchise tag. I do agree, I don't think he's worth $10 million a season. But the Packers have the room for 2013 (they won't in 2014) to absorb the franchise tag.

I also agree that Greg Jennings might have an inflated opinion of himself, as every player should. James Jones acknowledged a rude awakening during the off season. And rumor among NFL personnel is Jennings won't be the same WR without Aaron Rodgers.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 7:53:34 AM(UTC)

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I wouldn't do a three year deal. I'd want to see that he can stay healthy, which is why I said the franchise tag. I do agree, I don't think he's worth $10 million a season. But the Packers have the room for 2013 (they won't in 2014) to absorb the franchise tag.

I also agree that Greg Jennings might have an inflated opinion of himself, as every player should. James Jones acknowledged a rude awakening during the off season. And rumor among NFL personnel is Jennings won't be the same WR without Aaron Rodgers.


Yeah, I read stuff like that too. The one problem with the franchise tag is that you can only use it once on a player, and by doing so, piss off that player so that they won't sign a longer deal with a team anyway and said player walks at the end of the season. Having a disgruntled player kills locker room morale and all you have done is rented a guy for a year. I'm not so sure the Packers treat people like this. The days of Walter Jones playing on one year contracts are over.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:30:14 AM(UTC)

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I don't see Jennings being tagged by the Packers. Jennings has already mentioned he doesn't want to be tagged and also has voiced his opinion about where he doesn't want to play (in the cold and some other factors). I am sure Ted Thompson sees it as wasted money to tag Jennings since he will just turn into a disgruntled player.

The Packers also showed that they can manage to make the offense work without him in the line up. I am not saying that the Packers are better without Jennings, because they aren't. However, he is worth more to another team (Minnesota, Arizona, Miami, Houston, etc) than he is to the Packers and those teams are going to give him his pay day whether we or any analyst/scout thinks otherwise.

-Check Arizona off that list...thought it made sense since Jennings trained with Fitz in the off-seasons. Link

-This just screams Jennings to Minny... Link

-Why not a reunion with Philbin in Miami? Who cares if they aren't contenders...they have a ton of cap and of course, Jennings sister requested it! Link

-Houston Texans...a contender, warm weather, a dome, a nice pay day...Jennings desires all of those. Link

I don't know the state of all these teams...who they have to restructure, resign, cut, etc...but I think it is fair to say that these teams are more desirable than the Packers to Greg Jennings. He has expressed his feelings and I think we will see Greg in a different jersey for the 2013 season.
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:49:19 AM(UTC)

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I don't see Jennings being tagged by the Packers. Jennings has already mentioned he doesn't want to be tagged and also has voiced his opinion about where he doesn't want to play (in the cold and some other factors). I am sure Ted Thompson sees it as wasted money to tag Jennings since he will just turn into a disgruntled player.

The Packers also showed that they can manage to make the offense work without him in the line up. I am not saying that the Packers are better without Jennings, because they aren't. However, he is worth more to another team (Minnesota, Arizona, Miami, Houston, etc) than he is to the Packers and those teams are going to give him his pay day whether we or any analyst/scout thinks otherwise.

-Check Arizona off that list...thought it made sense since Jennings trained with Fitz in the off-seasons. Link

-This just screams Jennings to Minny... Link

-Why not a reunion with Philbin in Miami? Who cares if they aren't contenders...they have a ton of cap and of course, Jennings sister requested it! Link

-Houston Texans...a contender, warm weather, a dome, a nice pay day...Jennings desires all of those. Link

I don't know the state of all these teams...who they have to restructure, resign, cut, etc...but I think it is fair to say that these teams are more desirable than the Packers to Greg Jennings. He has expressed his feelings and I think we will see Greg in a different jersey for the 2013 season.


Where has Jennings said he does not want to be tagged? I think it's likely he has said it, as most players don't want to be, especially players closing in on 30. I just don't remember him once addressing it. (doesn't mean much, I forgot what I had for lunch) Edit, found it!
"I know one way I don't want to be here is under a franchise tag."

Where has Jennings said he desires a dome, warm weather (he's from/lives in Michigan) and to have a nice pay day? I think the latter is implied when he says he has to do what is best for himself an his family, but I can't remember him ever saying he wants to be on a contender that has a dome and is in warm weather.

Are these just assumptions of yours that you're stating as fact or is there some facts to support this? You have me curious and questioning my theory! haha
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:56:14 AM(UTC)

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Play2win is right on again.
To me, it's ok if a player thinks he's good, if he backs it up on the field. But as was said, it didn't seem Jennings was "all in" on what was going on. And you would think, with his injury and all, that when he came back he would have tried to "prove" his worth, especially to other possible teams, by playing his best.
I myself didn't see that.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:04:49 PM(UTC)

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Where has Jennings said he does not want to be tagged? I think it's likely he has said it, as most players don't want to be, especially players closing in on 30. I just don't remember him once addressing it. (doesn't mean much, I forgot what I had for lunch)

Where has Jennings said he desires a dome, warm weather (he's from/lives in Michigan) and to have a nice pay day? I think the latter is implied when he says he has to do what is best for himself an his family, but I can't remember him ever saying he wants to be on a contender that has a dome and is in warm weather.

Are these just assumptions of yours that you're stating as fact or is there some facts to support this? You have me curious and questioning my theory! haha


The dome and weather are assumptions of mine based off his comments coming after week 17. I understand its not an overall statement of "I'd rather play in a dome all the time" but I think with these quotes from Jennings it would be okay to assume he would prefer it all the time.

Jennings does state he does not want to play under the tag....found here

The nice pay day is also an assumption of mine as saying he has to do what is best for his family leads me to believe he is referring to bringing in the money. Being a contender is an assumption as well, but like I said with Miami, they are far from being a contender but can give Jennings a very nice contract. I just believe its a majority of the older players plan to find a good payday as well as a contender to get that last championship or two.
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After reading some more quotes from Greg Jennings, I get the feeling he doesn't want to be a Packer any longer. This one here “I have 31 other teams that hopefully I can show them my résumé and then walk into the door and start back over,” comes off as such to me. The more I read, the more I think he wants to be a teams clear #1 go to guy. That's without factoring in his sisters tweets...



Scrap it ... I'd rather that money go to Matthews, Raji or Rodgers, hell, or even Finley. Say what you will about Finley, but at least he is definitive on wanting to be a Packer. (I think this indicates he's more wise than Jennings in understanding Rodgers is the key component to either of their success lol)


Bye Jennings ... Thanks Yerko for getting me to dig deeper!
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:21:28 PM(UTC)

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After reading some more quotes from Greg Jennings, I get the feeling he doesn't want to be a Packer any longer. This one here “I have 31 other teams that hopefully I can show them my résumé and then walk into the door and start back over,” comes off as such to me. The more I read, the more I think he wants to be a teams clear #1 go to guy. That's without factoring in his sisters tweets...



Scrap it ... I'd rather that money go to Matthews, Raji or Rodgers, hell, or even Finley. Say what you will about Finley, but at least he is definitive on wanting to be a Packer. (I think this indicates he's more wise than Jennings in understanding Rodgers is the key component to either of their success lol)


Bye Jennings ... Thanks Yerko for getting me to dig deeper!


His attitude lately is what has gotten to me as a fan and honestly now, I think he is toying with the fans. Just my opinion but taking a picture of your empty locker and asking fans to "like" it if you want him to stay or "comment" if you want him to play for another team is dumb. I believe a lot of his latest actions show he wants to have a fresh start somewhere and be THE GUY of that team. I was upset about the possibility of him going to another team before but when he doesn't want to be on the team I watch and like, it makes it a little easier to deal with his departure as a fan.
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:25:41 PM(UTC)

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After reading some more quotes from Greg Jennings, I get the feeling he doesn't want to be a Packer any longer. This one here “I have 31 other teams that hopefully I can show them my résumé and then walk into the door and start back over,” comes off as such to me. The more I read, the more I think he wants to be a teams clear #1 go to guy. That's without factoring in his sisters tweets...



Scrap it ... I'd rather that money go to Matthews, Raji or Rodgers, hell, or even Finley. Say what you will about Finley, but at least he is definitive on wanting to be a Packer. (I think this indicates he's more wise than Jennings in understanding Rodgers is the key component to either of their success lol)


Bye Jennings ... Thanks Yerko for getting me to dig deeper!


I've finally realized the best way to argue with you is to give you my opinion (which in time you'll learn to take as a fact :-k ) and then let you do all the work to prove my opinion right. This way you don't get mad at me, I don't have to get frustrated with you, and we're all happy!

I'm still waiting for all the Donald Driver fans that argued with me to let me know I was right last year already that he washed up, but that would actually take some cojones.

Woodson this year will be a much more difficult decision, but no way he deserves his cap number in 2013.
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