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Offline Packers_Finland  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:10:32 AM(UTC)
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Sounds like some real arrogance paired with 'being a dick' -syndrome.

As long as he gets us to the playoffs yearly, I don't care.
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Offline gbguy20  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:12:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
The article didn't state that Rodgers lobbied to have an inexperienced rookie take punt returns in Cobb's place. Taking Cobb off special teams was a no-brainer considering how he kept the offense churning during the year and how much we missed him when he got hurt. Putting a mostly untested rookie in his place, especially in a playoff game is a completely different matter altogether.


Rodgers didn't say a thing about it until that rookie showed he could have success taking over for cobb. He started saying it the same time everyone else did. He didn't have some secret guy lurking in the background that he wanted to take over for him.
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Offline El3ment12  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:34:41 AM(UTC)
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People can say whatever they want about Rodgers. I'm glad to have the best qb in the league on our team. We got lucky. Where would we be without Rodgers?
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:26:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
I hope Packernation doesn't make some kind of demigod out of Rodgers. He is a human being with a whole gammit of emotions he has to bottle up in a politically correct world. If I were as good as Rodgers and my receivers dropped well placed balls, or Olineman and running backs blew blocking assignments - I'd show a lot more emotion than he ever does. Our GM and coaches have some work to do to shore up our weaknesses - leadership questions need to start there.


Agreed.. and this lead to the demise of the last QB.

This season.. Rodgers has openly asked for players to be signed (Chad Clifton).. so did the last MVP QB in the locker room.

This season, Rodgers criticized the play calling openly, much like the former legend QB.

Neither are anything more than human. Both are no more important upon the field than the weakest link on the offense. Both were competitors that want to win at any costs, often willing themselves to the physical extend to do so. They expect nothing less from all aspects of the franchise including the coaches and General Manager.

They are human.. with human emotions.

A QB is not deserving of the praise or blame they garner from the press and fans, they are not deserving of the demi-god status we seem to want to place upon the position blindly because they are a QB.

Rodgers in this instance has proven himself more often as a good person, a great leader and player and very open with his comments and thoughts. Even if he reacted poorly to interview questions, or rightfully objected to lousy questions, it does not define him as a person nor damages his leadership standing.

His actions week in and out do that.. not some reaction to an interview question. If he started degrading a teammate, talking about others financial business, or critical of decision on the playing field in open public.. that I can see damaging his leadership status. Not rating the validity of a press question.

For instance, I loathe the ground the Billy the Cheat walks upon for his actions, but I care less if he blew off CBS's interview. Especially if his emotions had gotten the better of him at the moment.

Selfishly I want to read everything I can about our team, the players thoughts, but in the same light, I don't hold it against them if they choose to restrain from talking to the press.

Aaron Rodgers is a human.. a ultra competitive human at that, I have no issue overlooking comments made based on emotions directly after a game or season as long as they are no degrading the opposition or teammates.

Maybe the press itself is overtly sensitive in this regard. Or maybe they really did ask lousy questions.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:40:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: El3ment12 Go to Quoted Post
People can say whatever they want about Rodgers. I'm glad to have the best qb in the league on our team. We got lucky. Where would we be without Rodgers?


This is a very Favre-esque comment.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:43:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
This season.. Rodgers has openly asked for players to be signed (Chad Clifton).. so did the last MVP QB in the locker room.


Aaron Rodgers wrote:
I haven't talked to Cliff in a while, but I would guess he might be able to be lured from Nashville. I love Cliff, so I would never not want to see him up here. We've had a lot of fun together, and it would be good to see him back up here.

I think if there's any interest, it's worth looking into. At least (it'd be worth) bringing him up here and seeing what kind of shape he's in, how his body is. It's worth that if there's interest on our side.



James Jones is the only player Aaron Rodgers has asked publicly to be signed. He also has since stated that was a mistake and won't do it again.
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Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#22 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:48:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Agreed.. and this lead to the demise of the last QB.

This season.. Rodgers has openly asked for players to be signed (Chad Clifton).. so did the last MVP QB in the locker room.

This season, Rodgers criticized the play calling openly, much like the former legend QB.

Neither are anything more than human. Both are no more important upon the field than the weakest link on the offense. Both were competitors that want to win at any costs, often willing themselves to the physical extend to do so. They expect nothing less from all aspects of the franchise including the coaches and General Manager.

They are human.. with human emotions.

A QB is not deserving of the praise or blame they garner from the press and fans, they are not deserving of the demi-god status we seem to want to place upon the position blindly because they are a QB.

Rodgers in this instance has proven himself more often as a good person, a great leader and player and very open with his comments and thoughts. Even if he reacted poorly to interview questions, or rightfully objected to lousy questions, it does not define him as a person nor damages his leadership standing.

His actions week in and out do that.. not some reaction to an interview question. If he started degrading a teammate, talking about others financial business, or critical of decision on the playing field in open public.. that I can see damaging his leadership status. Not rating the validity of a press question.

For instance, I loathe the ground the Billy the Cheat walks upon for his actions, but I care less if he blew off CBS's interview. Especially if his emotions had gotten the better of him at the moment.

Selfishly I want to read everything I can about our team, the players thoughts, but in the same light, I don't hold it against them if they choose to restrain from talking to the press.

Aaron Rodgers is a human.. a ultra competitive human at that, I have no issue overlooking comments made based on emotions directly after a game or season as long as they are no degrading the opposition or teammates.

Maybe the press itself is overtly sensitive in this regard. Or maybe they really did ask lousy questions.


Great post Pack93z.

The reason I supported him in college and into the pros, was because of his focus and very unique approach to throwing and his cerebral approach to the game.

He is just as aggressive a player as his predecessor without being
a liability as a gambler.

What I am disappointed by is his HUMAN side coming through to the point that it's starting to resemble his predecessor.

I know a lot of people can separate the player from the person, but I am a fan of both. I can't make the distinction.

If you guys are saying that his precedessor's weird photo texts to some girl(not his wife) did not affect your admiration for him as a QB. then more power to you.

For me, it was definitely a factor and he lost my respect(Plus I saw his predecessor display those qualitiles FIRST HAND at multiple pro bowls but that's another story).

It's hard for me to separate the player from the person with Aaron as well. To his credit, he shows no signs of having incidents like his precessor with cell phones =). But also to his credit, he also has some really strong opinions that don't put him in a good light.

Aaron has a nasty side, and it shows more now. I always saw him as a stand up guy, but he's morphing.

He himself said his draft fall was a humbling experience because he realized he was cocky(that cockiness is what made the 49ers not draft him).

His cockiness seems to be ON THE COMEBACK. Criticizing the coaches, voicing personnel decisions are just not good form. It's very Favre-esque and the ultimate irony would be that Aaron become a one and done superbowl quarterback on a pass happy team with a loud/opinionated QB.

I HOPE that's not how this story ends.
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Offline El3ment12  
#23 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:03:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
This is a very Favre-esque comment.


What do you mean?
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:07:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
James Jones is the only player Aaron Rodgers has asked publicly to be signed. He also has since stated that was a mistake and won't do it again.


I guess it is all about how you read the comment.. "it's worth looking into" isn't openly asking him to be signed but also isn't not offering his opinion on the topic.

Also, "Bring him on" in reference to Lynch.

Yes, it is not Randy Moss proportions.

But go ahead on continue on with your point.. we just happen to disagree on the comments. To me, it is a suggestion upon personnel. Subtle but yet there based on his media clout.

My context for the comments is that players have opinions.. why should we crush one and not the other for "overstepping" their bounds. They are both players and not coaches or General Managers.. basically this deal with the interview question is minor compared to other points on Aaron Rodgers comments in the press.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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Offline Porforis  
#25 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:08:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers didn't say a thing about it until that rookie showed he could have success taking over for cobb. He started saying it the same time everyone else did. He didn't have some secret guy lurking in the background that he wanted to take over for him.


The comment was made after the Titans game when Cobb got injured. Cobb was injured with 8:04 left in the third quarter. Ross took his first punt return with 3:38 left in the third quarter. What's more likely - that he brought it up because Cobb got injured on special teams and he was a dynamic player on offense that had the most consistent success of anybody on offense, or because Ross made a couple good returns after Cobb went down? None of Rodgers comments mentioned Ross, and while I'm sure Ross' success factored in a bit to those comments, how does that translate to suggesting that Ross should be out there full time, including in playoff games?


What I find kind of pathetic is how the media has tried to turn Rodgers into a perfect man on and off the field since the super bowl win. And now after a disappointing loss in the postseason without an MVP and record-setting season to slobber over, you see more and more crappy sports writers tearing him down. Football players are people, they're not perfect. Don't put them on a pedestal, and if you do, don't tear them down the second they don't live up to your expectations.
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Offline Pack93z  
#26 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:36:08 PM(UTC)
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My opinion of Rodgers is the fun aspect of the game has disappeared.. this season rarely did you see him smile on the field.

Is it expectations catching up to him?

Is it other aspects of his life have overtaken his passion for the game?

Or maybe he is succumbing to chatter in the press about him, the criticisms have become to important within his cranium.

But something seemed to be amiss, the emotion was lessened and the smile almost non-existent.

At the end of the day it still should be a game... upon the field, let the business aspect control the rest except the 60 minutes of play upon the field. That should be fun.. and if it is not, either loosen up a bit or it may be time to get out.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#27 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:51:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I guess it is all about how you read the comment.. "it's worth looking into" isn't openly asking him to be signed but also isn't not offering his opinion on the topic.

Also, "Bring him on" in reference to Lynch.

Yes, it is not Randy Moss proportions.

But go ahead on continue on with your point.. we just happen to disagree on the comments. To me, it is a suggestion upon personnel. Subtle but yet there based on his media clout.

My context for the comments is that players have opinions.. why should we crush one and not the other for "overstepping" their bounds. They are both players and not coaches or General Managers.. basically this deal with the interview question is minor compared to other points on Aaron Rodgers comments in the press.


I didn't take his comments in response to being asked about Chad Clifton as he was asking for Chad Clifton to be signed. That's all. I see where you are coming from though. He kind of threw the bone in front of the dog, but can still backtrack (to so speak) and say he didn't give the dog the bone.


I'm not sure if this started earlier, but I noticed this season I started to like Aaron Rodgers less. I think he's a great QB, one of the top 3 (I can't name two better that I'd rather have), but I think him yelling at James Jones on the field, the throwing a fit at Mike McCarthy after the red flag, a few comments in his post game interview ... I just think he's getting too many free passes for things and not held accountable as he should.

McCarthy was able to knock Brett Favre down a peg or two ... now he (my opinion) needs to do the same with Rodgers.

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#28 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:31:07 PM(UTC)
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I think any issues Rodgers, McCarthy, or anyone else MAY have had this season or now (after examination under a microscope, essentially), have more to do with a talented team not meeting expectations and losing more than anything else. As always, the best cure to any of these things is to win more. Win more regular season games perhaps, but even more so, at least make it out of the divisional round and be competitive in the NFC Championship game. A loss like the Packers suffered in the divisional round is likely to leave many finger pointing and nitpicking at possibly insignificant actions in the minds of those actually a part of the organization.

So as has been said many times already, add a few more pieces, and seriously contend for the Super Bowl and it's almost guaranteed silly little issues like these will magically resolve themselves, with the exception of the few who cling onto anything they can find to "prove" their point. Color me not concerned about anything at all, other than a little more talent, development, and better coaching, with the latter being the most crucial aspect. I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, but it's just what I believe.
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#29 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:14:22 PM(UTC)
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I thought Rob Reischel authored a book on Rodgers.. interesting how his opinion of Rodgers has changed in less than 2 years.

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Eau Claire (WQOW) -- Rob Reischel, author of a new book on Aaron Rodgers entitled, "Leader Of The Pack," is in Eau Claire, Wednesday evening.

Reischel, a writer for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and Packers Plus, has covered the team for the past ten seasons, and has spent a lot of time with Rodgers since the QB joined the Packers in 2005.

About the book, Reischel says, "There's a lot of fun tips and fact in there about what Aaron went through in high school and in junior college just to play. There's a great story in the book about how Aaron, when he got to junior college, wore number four. Why? Because he loved Brett Favre. And we all know how that relationship went south so fast."

Reischel says in the time he's covered the Packers, he's never seen a player progress as far and as fast as Rodgers. According to Reischel, Rodgers has done that throughout his entire career.

"Aaron was a five-foot, two-inch, 130-pound freshman quarterback at his high school, and no one inside his high school thought he'd ever be the varsity quarterback, I think is a really unique story, things like that, through the book, that kind of take you back to the whole theme and premise of Aaron overcoming obstacles, and kind of beating the odds, every step of the way through, and eventually winning a Super Bowl."

For a signed copy of the book, contact the author: robreischel@gmail.com

"Leader Of The Pack" is also available at all major book stores, including Borders and Amazon.com, or directly from the publisher: Triumphbooks.com
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#30 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:38:50 PM(UTC)
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I know my opinion of him is different now than it was two years ago. As we learn more, we have a bigger pallet to form an opinion.
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