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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:43:36 PM(UTC)
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o_O goes along with what I said here ...

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Green Bay - Their season had been done approximately 14 hours.

Aaron Rodgers, one of the leaders of the Green Bay Packers, sat alone at his locker, staring aimlessly around the room. Rodgers was asked if he'd talk about the season that just ended.

"Nope," Rodgers said.

Instead, Rodgers began eavesdropping on an interview linebacker Desmond Bishop was conducting.

After each question, Rodgers made a snide remark about the queries loud enough for anyone within earshot to hear.

"I can't believe they'd ask that," Rodgers said.

"Nice question," he said another time.

Finally, doing his best Drew Rosenhaus, Rodgers bellowed, "Next question."

Instead of preparing for the NFC Championship Game, Rodgers was now critiquing reporters.

It's this type of leadership that had some taking shots at the 2011 most valuable player this season.

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:11:01 PM(UTC)
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Disappointing.
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Offline dfosterf  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:21:38 PM(UTC)
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So let's cut him, lol

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:39:48 PM(UTC)
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I have no idea if Aaron Rodgers is a great leader. I'm not in the locker room, but I do know that Green Bay is probably letting Greg Jennings walk this off-season and Jermichael Finley may join him.

Just sayin'
Offline DakotaT  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:49:26 PM(UTC)
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I hope Packernation doesn't make some kind of demigod out of Rodgers. He is a human being with a whole gammit of emotions he has to bottle up in a politically correct world. If I were as good as Rodgers and my receivers dropped well placed balls, or Olineman and running backs blew blocking assignments - I'd show a lot more emotion than he ever does. Our GM and coaches have some work to do to shore up our weaknesses - leadership questions need to start there.
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:03:17 PM(UTC)
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Awww, did some poor reporter, and I use that term loosely, get their panties in a bunch. We've all heard these interviews week in and week out, there is no creativity in any of the questions. I can just imagine what it is like for the Players, and espicially for QB's in this league. Answer the same basic questions over and over and over, with the "reporters" just waiting of a non-pc answer so they can create a headline.

Remember it wasn't to long removed of Rodgers small criticism of McCarthy play call on the punt return at Detroit. Rodgers gives an honest answer, and the media tries to blow it into there being a problem between McCarthy and Rodgers when there is nothing.
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Offline gbguy20  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:08:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
I hope Packernation doesn't make some kind of demigod out of Rodgers. He is a human being with a whole gammit of emotions he has to bottle up in a politically correct world. If I were as good as Rodgers and my receivers dropped well placed balls, or Olineman and running backs blew blocking assignments - I'd show a lot more emotion than he ever does. Our GM and coaches have some work to do to shore up our weaknesses - leadership questions need to start there.


I like to think we're all smarter having been through the Brett Favre Era.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Answer the same basic questions over and over and over, with the "reporters" just waiting of a non-pc answer so they can create a headline.

Remember it wasn't to long removed of Rodgers small criticism of McCarthy play call on the punt return at Detroit. Rodgers gives an honest answer, and the media tries to blow it into there being a problem between McCarthy and Rodgers when there is nothing.


Good answer, though I don't think it is relevant to this exact article. What the article claims Rodgers did is quite different than giving an honest, non-pc answer to a question.
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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:31:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Good answer, though I don't think it is relevant to this exact article. What the article claims Rodgers did is quite different than giving an honest, non-pc answer to a question.


I think it is definately relevant. Rodgers had to deal with these same reporters, and today, they are not nearly the reporters of old. Over and over, the same uncreative questions, or jumping on any little thing, so perhaps out of frustration from the loss, he gave the reporters a taste of what they do weekly. It sounded like a way to criticize them, like they criticize others.

This being linked to leadership is asine. The rest of the team is probably looking at themselves thinking, I wish I would have said something like that.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:53:00 PM(UTC)
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Why did this article or incident (if we're to call it that) take a week in a half to publish?

It took place after the divisional round. That was quite a bit ago in the internet age. Something doesn’t smell right here.

Plus, the article cites Greg Jennings’ sister and Jermichael Finley’s agent. Those are great sources for defending your topic.Sarcasm

Shannon Sharpe’s quote is a joke. He says what he thinks, but gives no source. You have an opinion, plus two bad sources.

Aaron Rodgers is not above criticism. If what the writer suggests happened, then what Rodgers did was unprofessional. It was also immature.

I’d like to hear Rodgers’ retort, though. I’d also like to know why this took a week in a half to become public.

As I said, something doesn’t smell right here.
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Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:40:39 AM(UTC)
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He did take a hit.

He has grown a reputation for being Whiney and carrying a "chip"

I am still a fan, but his emotional side is coming through.

Skipping the Probowl was very Tom Brady-esc.

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Offline Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:58:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: porky88 Go to Quoted Post
Why did this article or incident (if we're to call it that) take a week in a half to publish?

It took place after the divisional round. That was quite a bit ago in the internet age. Something doesn’t smell right here.

Plus, the article cites Greg Jennings’ sister and Jermichael Finley’s agent. Those are great sources for defending your topic.Sarcasm

Shannon Sharpe’s quote is a joke. He says what he thinks, but gives no source. You have an opinion, plus two bad sources.

Aaron Rodgers is not above criticism. If what the writer suggests happened, then what Rodgers did was unprofessional. It was also immature.

I’d like to hear Rodgers’ retort, though. I’d also like to know why this took a week in a half to become public.

As I said, something doesn’t smell right here.


This was 14 hours after the end of the Divisional Round game, unless I misread that. He's not using Sharpe or Finley agent or Jennings sister as individual sources, he's saying where there is smoke, there is fire.


What doesn't smell right is a quarterback thinking he's above others, including his own coach.

As for the timing of it, well, you pump out all of your game related articles first as per that is most current. You go into your reserve bag for material and work your way through.


Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
He did take a hit.

He has grown a reputation for being Whiney and carrying a "chip"

I am still a fan, but his emotional side is coming through.

Skipping the Probowl was very Tom Brady-esc.



Rodgers failed his physical. If word was out he failed his physical, then two weeks later plays in a scrimmage game of touch and gets hurt, everyone would jump his ass for it.

Rodgers has ankle an knee issues, that is why he's not playing in the Pro Bowl.
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Offline Porforis  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:41:27 AM(UTC)
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In addition, Rodgers probably didn't win any points from coach Mike McCarthy when he openly campaigned for Evan Dietrich-Smith to be his center and for Randall Cobb to stop playing special teams.


Seems like excellent decisions to me
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Offline doddpower  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:39:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Seems like excellent decisions to me


It does seem like most the things he has commented on turned out to be entirely accurate, or the best bet. Perhaps he should not comment as often, but it's not like he's lying.

I'm not concerned about Aaron Rodgers leadership in any way. Even if he was/is arrogant or talks to much, as long as he is producing MVP-like seasons, it's a problem most Packers fans should be glad to have. The Packers simply need to worry about the offensive line, and all around coaching.

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#14 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:54:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Seems like excellent decisions to me


Taking Cobb off special teams turned out pretty well for us, right?
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:10:01 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Taking Cobb off special teams turned out pretty well for us, right?


The article didn't state that Rodgers lobbied to have an inexperienced rookie take punt returns in Cobb's place. Taking Cobb off special teams was a no-brainer considering how he kept the offense churning during the year and how much we missed him when he got hurt. Putting a mostly untested rookie in his place, especially in a playoff game is a completely different matter altogether.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:10:32 AM(UTC)
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Sounds like some real arrogance paired with 'being a dick' -syndrome.

As long as he gets us to the playoffs yearly, I don't care.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:12:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
The article didn't state that Rodgers lobbied to have an inexperienced rookie take punt returns in Cobb's place. Taking Cobb off special teams was a no-brainer considering how he kept the offense churning during the year and how much we missed him when he got hurt. Putting a mostly untested rookie in his place, especially in a playoff game is a completely different matter altogether.


Rodgers didn't say a thing about it until that rookie showed he could have success taking over for cobb. He started saying it the same time everyone else did. He didn't have some secret guy lurking in the background that he wanted to take over for him.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:34:41 AM(UTC)
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People can say whatever they want about Rodgers. I'm glad to have the best qb in the league on our team. We got lucky. Where would we be without Rodgers?
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:26:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
I hope Packernation doesn't make some kind of demigod out of Rodgers. He is a human being with a whole gammit of emotions he has to bottle up in a politically correct world. If I were as good as Rodgers and my receivers dropped well placed balls, or Olineman and running backs blew blocking assignments - I'd show a lot more emotion than he ever does. Our GM and coaches have some work to do to shore up our weaknesses - leadership questions need to start there.


Agreed.. and this lead to the demise of the last QB.

This season.. Rodgers has openly asked for players to be signed (Chad Clifton).. so did the last MVP QB in the locker room.

This season, Rodgers criticized the play calling openly, much like the former legend QB.

Neither are anything more than human. Both are no more important upon the field than the weakest link on the offense. Both were competitors that want to win at any costs, often willing themselves to the physical extend to do so. They expect nothing less from all aspects of the franchise including the coaches and General Manager.

They are human.. with human emotions.

A QB is not deserving of the praise or blame they garner from the press and fans, they are not deserving of the demi-god status we seem to want to place upon the position blindly because they are a QB.

Rodgers in this instance has proven himself more often as a good person, a great leader and player and very open with his comments and thoughts. Even if he reacted poorly to interview questions, or rightfully objected to lousy questions, it does not define him as a person nor damages his leadership standing.

His actions week in and out do that.. not some reaction to an interview question. If he started degrading a teammate, talking about others financial business, or critical of decision on the playing field in open public.. that I can see damaging his leadership status. Not rating the validity of a press question.

For instance, I loathe the ground the Billy the Cheat walks upon for his actions, but I care less if he blew off CBS's interview. Especially if his emotions had gotten the better of him at the moment.

Selfishly I want to read everything I can about our team, the players thoughts, but in the same light, I don't hold it against them if they choose to restrain from talking to the press.

Aaron Rodgers is a human.. a ultra competitive human at that, I have no issue overlooking comments made based on emotions directly after a game or season as long as they are no degrading the opposition or teammates.

Maybe the press itself is overtly sensitive in this regard. Or maybe they really did ask lousy questions.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:40:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: El3ment12 Go to Quoted Post
People can say whatever they want about Rodgers. I'm glad to have the best qb in the league on our team. We got lucky. Where would we be without Rodgers?


This is a very Favre-esque comment.
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:43:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
This season.. Rodgers has openly asked for players to be signed (Chad Clifton).. so did the last MVP QB in the locker room.


Aaron Rodgers wrote:
I haven't talked to Cliff in a while, but I would guess he might be able to be lured from Nashville. I love Cliff, so I would never not want to see him up here. We've had a lot of fun together, and it would be good to see him back up here.

I think if there's any interest, it's worth looking into. At least (it'd be worth) bringing him up here and seeing what kind of shape he's in, how his body is. It's worth that if there's interest on our side.



James Jones is the only player Aaron Rodgers has asked publicly to be signed. He also has since stated that was a mistake and won't do it again.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:48:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Agreed.. and this lead to the demise of the last QB.

This season.. Rodgers has openly asked for players to be signed (Chad Clifton).. so did the last MVP QB in the locker room.

This season, Rodgers criticized the play calling openly, much like the former legend QB.

Neither are anything more than human. Both are no more important upon the field than the weakest link on the offense. Both were competitors that want to win at any costs, often willing themselves to the physical extend to do so. They expect nothing less from all aspects of the franchise including the coaches and General Manager.

They are human.. with human emotions.

A QB is not deserving of the praise or blame they garner from the press and fans, they are not deserving of the demi-god status we seem to want to place upon the position blindly because they are a QB.

Rodgers in this instance has proven himself more often as a good person, a great leader and player and very open with his comments and thoughts. Even if he reacted poorly to interview questions, or rightfully objected to lousy questions, it does not define him as a person nor damages his leadership standing.

His actions week in and out do that.. not some reaction to an interview question. If he started degrading a teammate, talking about others financial business, or critical of decision on the playing field in open public.. that I can see damaging his leadership status. Not rating the validity of a press question.

For instance, I loathe the ground the Billy the Cheat walks upon for his actions, but I care less if he blew off CBS's interview. Especially if his emotions had gotten the better of him at the moment.

Selfishly I want to read everything I can about our team, the players thoughts, but in the same light, I don't hold it against them if they choose to restrain from talking to the press.

Aaron Rodgers is a human.. a ultra competitive human at that, I have no issue overlooking comments made based on emotions directly after a game or season as long as they are no degrading the opposition or teammates.

Maybe the press itself is overtly sensitive in this regard. Or maybe they really did ask lousy questions.


Great post Pack93z.

The reason I supported him in college and into the pros, was because of his focus and very unique approach to throwing and his cerebral approach to the game.

He is just as aggressive a player as his predecessor without being
a liability as a gambler.

What I am disappointed by is his HUMAN side coming through to the point that it's starting to resemble his predecessor.

I know a lot of people can separate the player from the person, but I am a fan of both. I can't make the distinction.

If you guys are saying that his precedessor's weird photo texts to some girl(not his wife) did not affect your admiration for him as a QB. then more power to you.

For me, it was definitely a factor and he lost my respect(Plus I saw his predecessor display those qualitiles FIRST HAND at multiple pro bowls but that's another story).

It's hard for me to separate the player from the person with Aaron as well. To his credit, he shows no signs of having incidents like his precessor with cell phones =). But also to his credit, he also has some really strong opinions that don't put him in a good light.

Aaron has a nasty side, and it shows more now. I always saw him as a stand up guy, but he's morphing.

He himself said his draft fall was a humbling experience because he realized he was cocky(that cockiness is what made the 49ers not draft him).

His cockiness seems to be ON THE COMEBACK. Criticizing the coaches, voicing personnel decisions are just not good form. It's very Favre-esque and the ultimate irony would be that Aaron become a one and done superbowl quarterback on a pass happy team with a loud/opinionated QB.

I HOPE that's not how this story ends.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:03:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
This is a very Favre-esque comment.


What do you mean?
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:07:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
James Jones is the only player Aaron Rodgers has asked publicly to be signed. He also has since stated that was a mistake and won't do it again.


I guess it is all about how you read the comment.. "it's worth looking into" isn't openly asking him to be signed but also isn't not offering his opinion on the topic.

Also, "Bring him on" in reference to Lynch.

Yes, it is not Randy Moss proportions.

But go ahead on continue on with your point.. we just happen to disagree on the comments. To me, it is a suggestion upon personnel. Subtle but yet there based on his media clout.

My context for the comments is that players have opinions.. why should we crush one and not the other for "overstepping" their bounds. They are both players and not coaches or General Managers.. basically this deal with the interview question is minor compared to other points on Aaron Rodgers comments in the press.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:08:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers didn't say a thing about it until that rookie showed he could have success taking over for cobb. He started saying it the same time everyone else did. He didn't have some secret guy lurking in the background that he wanted to take over for him.


The comment was made after the Titans game when Cobb got injured. Cobb was injured with 8:04 left in the third quarter. Ross took his first punt return with 3:38 left in the third quarter. What's more likely - that he brought it up because Cobb got injured on special teams and he was a dynamic player on offense that had the most consistent success of anybody on offense, or because Ross made a couple good returns after Cobb went down? None of Rodgers comments mentioned Ross, and while I'm sure Ross' success factored in a bit to those comments, how does that translate to suggesting that Ross should be out there full time, including in playoff games?


What I find kind of pathetic is how the media has tried to turn Rodgers into a perfect man on and off the field since the super bowl win. And now after a disappointing loss in the postseason without an MVP and record-setting season to slobber over, you see more and more crappy sports writers tearing him down. Football players are people, they're not perfect. Don't put them on a pedestal, and if you do, don't tear them down the second they don't live up to your expectations.
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