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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 9:30:18 AM(UTC)

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Jason Wilde said:
GREEN BAY – As Mike McCarthy set about the lengthy, unpleasant process last week of assessing what went wrong – and, to be fair, the many things that went right, too – during a 2012 season that ultimately ended in disappointment, the Green Bay Packers head coach did so firmly believing that his guys weren't that far removed from another NFL championship, like the one they won just two years ago in Super Bowl XLV.

“I don’t think you just take one segment of one game and determine how close you are to the championship,” McCarthy said, referring to the epic defensive failure in the team’s season-ending 45-31 loss to the San Francisco 49ers in the NFC Divisional Playoffs. “Our goal going into the season – looking back on it, part of the conversations I had with the coaching staff and then later with the personnel department – (was) to get this team to improve during the course of the year. I feel like we did that in some aspects, because you want to play your best football at the end of the year.

“San Francisco was the better team (that) night. We did not play our best football in that game, and that’s something I obviously as the head coach have to take a very, very close look at, because I thought we were ready mentally. There’s definitely some things we did not handle schematically, and no one will be tougher on that than ourselves.”

The process began with his players’ exit interviews, then continued with extensive one-on-one meetings with his three coordinators – defensive coordinator Dom Capers, offensive coordinator Tom Clements and special teams coordinator Shawn Slocum.
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#2 Posted : Monday, January 21, 2013 9:54:31 AM(UTC)

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As with every year, we've got holes to plug in our roster in the offseason and some decisions to make on who to keep and who to let loose. The big question on my mind is if we're capable of adjusting on defense (and to a lesser extent on offense) mid-game when what we're doing isn't working. Unless our offense or defense is unstoppable, you need to be able to adjust in order to win big games against big-time opponents.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:15:21 PM(UTC)

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No way we get great in the immediate future.

It would take too much of a risk for a small-market team.

We always have a chance with Rodgers, but Ted isn't all that when trying to actually assemble a contender for the SB, and we need to face it. He is more about the business than the shot at the SB. That is what we have in a GM. We are ultimately being "played."

This is about maintaining the Pack as a viable force in the NFL to ensure the fan interest. There will be no guts coming from this organization, as that would entail risk, as regards personnel.

We will remain "high- mediocre" , with a chance...
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:52:55 PM(UTC)

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dfosterf said: Go to Quoted Post
No way we get great in the immediate future.

It would take too much of a risk for a small-market team.

We always have a chance with Rodgers, but Ted isn't all that when trying to actually assemble a contender for the SB, and we need to face it. He is more about the business than the shot at the SB. That is what we have in a GM. We are ultimately being "played."

This is about maintaining the Pack as a viable force in the NFL to ensure the fan interest. There will be no guts coming from this organization, as that would entail risk, as regards personnel.

We will remain "high- mediocre" , with a chance...


Hmmm, I was saying the same thing the year before the Packers won the Super Bowl.
Now it's coming back into focus again.

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:57:14 PM(UTC)

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dfosterf said: Go to Quoted Post
No way we get great in the immediate future.

It would take too much of a risk for a small-market team.

We always have a chance with Rodgers, but Ted isn't all that when trying to actually assemble a contender for the SB, and we need to face it. He is more about the business than the shot at the SB. That is what we have in a GM. We are ultimately being "played."

This is about maintaining the Pack as a viable force in the NFL to ensure the fan interest. There will be no guts coming from this organization, as that would entail risk, as regards personnel.

We will remain "high- mediocre" , with a chance...


What "risks" did either the 49'er's or Ravens take to make them "great" this season? All I see is two teams who have drafted well and have disciplined coaching. Of course the 49'er's benefit from years of high draft picks, but still. Both teams have mostly stuck to the principle of drafting and developing. I'm not sure I follow your logic here at all. The main difference this past season was coaching and injuries. It's really that simple, imo. If the Packers can get better coaching and stay somewhat healthy, they have as good of chance as any other team of winning the Super Bowl. I really think some are over reacting to some things currently going on; at least beyond the coaching failures.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:41:34 AM(UTC)

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Our O-line was mediocore and our tackling on Defence is huge source of frustration. Depending on how the draft works out I would like to see us focus the draft on DL, OL (interior), C and WR taking BPA when it makes sense to of course. We probably need a TE as well if Finley is cut. Just don't know if we can afford to lose Jennings and Finley in the same off-season.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:17:19 PM(UTC)

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I play those lame interm refs and the bad call in that seattle game - if we won that game; SF plays in our house and we win. Enough said

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#8 Posted : Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:58:51 PM(UTC)

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Dulak said: Go to Quoted Post
I play those lame interm refs and the bad call in that seattle game - if we won that game; SF plays in our house and we win. Enough said



If we play Woodson the last game we beat Minny and we get San Fran at home. I think we underestimated playing a desperate team trying to get in the playoffs.

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#9 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:41:44 AM(UTC)

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I felt that playing at Candlestick Park helped us offensively. As with the 2010 run, we play better when conditions aren't a factor. No matter where we played the 49ers, our defense just didn't match up to their offensive package. Rodgers has the talent to mask the O-line problems, but we have nobody on defense that can overcompensate our lack of pressure. Woodson just isn't that guy anymore. Another defense-minded draft with the odd offensive lineman is the clear route going forward.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:56:01 AM(UTC)

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I don't know if there are any decent 3-4 OLB's in free agency this year, but if there are, I wouldn't mind terribly if we picked one up to solidify that side. I like Perry and Moses, but it is time for Ted Thompson to own up to his continual fuckup of not having the bookend to Matthews. At inside linebacker, I'm hoping the Manning kid pushes for playing time and am keeping my fingers crossed that Bishop and Smith return to at least 90% from their injuries. Another draft pick in there can't hurt. The 3-4 is a linebacker defense, and if you're deficient at linebacker, how on earth will the defense ever be the strong part of your team?

The O-line is a mess, and if Sherrod ends up being a bust, then a free agent is probably necessary there too. Newhouse is serviceable, but replacing him with a better player coincides with Rodgers' longevity.

The draft and develop thing is awesome to keep a good football team on the field. But when you're close to contending, free agency is sometimes necessary too. No need to go Snyder/Jones crazy - but adding a legitimate starter to a contender makes sense instead of rolling the dice with a rookie.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2013 6:59:03 AM(UTC)

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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't know if there are any decent 3-4 OLB's in free agency this year, but if there are, I wouldn't mind terribly if we picked one up to solidify that side.


I think Anthony Spencer is probably the best one that has a chance to be available.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:07:56 AM(UTC)

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If anyone watched that atlanta game vs 49ers - it showed how they planned for kaprisuck - but because they did that but in turn gore had a better free reign.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:09:32 PM(UTC)

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I really don't think playing SF here would have made that much difference. Bad conditions wouldn't have improved our tackleing, or our O-line.
It MIGHT have made the score closer, but i don't think it would have swung the game into our favor.
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#14 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 5:47:26 AM(UTC)

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yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
Hmmm, I was saying the same thing the year before the Packers won the Super Bowl.
Now it's coming back into focus again.



Except the teams that do stupid things like take "risks" and give up everything for a 1-2 year shot at winning the SB are not the teams that actually ever win the Superbowl. They end up maybe getting close but then they are garbage for years and have to struggle to just get back to a decent level. The teams that win Superbowls are teams that stay consistent and stay competitive year after year (like GB and Ted Thompson does).
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#15 Posted : Friday, January 25, 2013 6:40:19 AM(UTC)

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steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Except the teams that do stupid things like take "risks" and give up everything for a 1-2 year shot at winning the SB are not the teams that actually ever win the Superbowl. They end up maybe getting close but then they are garbage for years and have to struggle to just get back to a decent level. The teams that win Superbowls are teams that stay consistent and stay competitive year after year (like GB and Ted Thompson does).


It's hard to argue that but how many more years are we going to have Rodgers keeping us at a competitive level.
Playing behind a bad line every year he takes an awful beating and without him we will likely not be very competetive.
Ted has not been successful with the O line just using the draft.

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