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Offline Wade  
#31 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 8:07:59 AM(UTC)
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I say let him play out his last year. He did a better job in the middle than Raji did.


I trust Pickett, even with the age factor, more than I trust Raji. I don't want a streaky player who plays Hall of Famer for a few games, then disappears for twice as many. I want someone who is dependable. I want a DT who is an immovable object with arms of steel far more than I want a DT who can make three sacks in a game once or twice a year. Pickett is the former. Raji, at least by what he has shown so far, looks like the latter.

Cool dude. Like the man. But I'd rather have someone more consistent at the position.



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#32 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:29:43 AM(UTC)
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Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I trust Pickett, even with the age factor, more than I trust Raji. I don't want a streaky player who plays Hall of Famer for a few games, then disappears for twice as many. I want someone who is dependable. I want a DT who is an immovable object with arms of steel far more than I want a DT who can make three sacks in a game once or twice a year. Pickett is the former. Raji, at least by what he has shown so far, looks like the latter.

Cool dude. Like the man. But I'd rather have someone more consistent at the position.





Wade, I'm a fan of Raji, but I am beginning to see he has really regressed since his drafting in 2009. He should be a beast up there, and he is definitely not. Why pay him the big bucks? That being said, if Ted wants to do away with him from our roster, he best get TWO NTs of high quality, because we were one short WITH Raji.

I would not mind a significant upgrade in the middle with some serious NTs added to our roster, via draft or trade. Our offense is pretty good, but I would not mind seeing another defense heavy draft, especially on the line, and maybe a proven FA addition or a veteran in trade.

Our sack totals went up this year, but we couldn't stop the run. Of all the playoff teams this year, we were dead last in rushing D. For the regular season we were middle of the road at #16. That is not good enough. Our passing D, in spite of a decent sack ranking at #4, was still only #22 in the NFL during the regular season. And that is with what I thought was a pretty good secondary, #8 in picks.

Oh, yeah, pay Pickett. Our best DL.

Add to this the fact that Jerel Worthy may not be able to play in 2013, and I would got heavy, heavy, heavy on drafting quality defensive linemen, and possibly making a trade. Maybe, for once, we could get a real, quality rotation on the line that is a complete menace to opposing offenses.

Starting 2012 very light at DL was a huge part of our undoing. Especially when one of those players, Raji, is slumping. In his defense, the kid has played an enormous amount of reps through all of 3 seasons, 2010-2012. Way too many IMO. Why? Because we had no one to rotate in at NT. No one.

That, to me, is a big knock on Ted and his personnel crew. That's one of the most important parts of a defense, and that area alone, filled with high end talent, makes the rest of your defense better. For whatever reason, we went light here, and depended on rookies and Mike Neal to improve our DL play from 2011. Far too little to work with there.

I would trade Finley in a heartbeat to get a top talent at DE, DT or NT. Whether that is a package deal, or to move up in draft order if they see someone they really want.

Imagine, a solid defense, a solid, committed running game, and one of the best passers in the NFL with a decent stable of quality receivers. That would be a big improvement for the Packers.
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#33 Posted : Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:07:23 PM(UTC)
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Player for player trades rarely happen in the NFL.
So if you are thinking of trading a player like Finley for a quality DL, forget about it.
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I would trade Finley in a heartbeat to get a top talent at DE, DT or NT. Whether that is a package deal, or to move up in draft order if they see someone they really want.


It's too bad pretty much nobody with or in a position to get a top talent at DL would do that deal.
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#35 Posted : Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:18:33 AM(UTC)
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Player for player trades rarely happen in the NFL.
So if you are thinking of trading a player like Finley for a quality DL, forget about it.


Yet so many in here believe that's all you need to do. The NFL is about palcing high value on draft picks and manipulating players contracts to most effectively control the cap situation. Nose tackles and Left tackles do not fall from the sky. The answer isn't to replace Raji, it is to light a fire under his ass. His problem is that he is lazy, and doesn't understand what a privilege it is for him to play in the NFL. Trgavoc needs to find the right psychology to motivate him, that is part of his job.
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#36 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 9:49:42 AM(UTC)
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Yet so many in here believe that's all you need to do. The NFL is about palcing high value on draft picks and manipulating players contracts to most effectively control the cap situation. Nose tackles and Left tackles do not fall from the sky. The answer isn't to replace Raji, it is to light a fire under his ass. His problem is that he is lazy, and doesn't understand what a privilege it is for him to play in the NFL. Trgavoc needs to find the right psychology to motivate him, that is part of his job.


I agree, and was not insinuating a straight trade of Finley for some awesome player. What I am in favor of is throwing him into a trade package that could work. The entire league saw clearly that he was overvalued. Yet, we've seen teams that fall in love with measurables. Maybe one bites.

I also think Raji has what it takes to become a better player. I just wonder if you risk the gigantic contract in order to find out.
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#37 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 11:58:40 AM(UTC)
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Raji is a fine player and would be missed if he leaves (unless we replace him with someone better of course, but that's the case with anyone). However, it's not easy to find big guys like Raji. Raji isn't elite, but he can be a very effective player so long as he has another really good player beside him, such as Cullen Jenkins. Is that ideal? Obviously not. It'd be best to have Raji be a beast regardless of who he was playing beside, but it's just not reality. Line him up next to another formidable player, and that's a nice combo. Raji isn't worth elite money, but he is valuable to this team, make no mistake. At times he can push the pocket at a high level and really disrupt the middle. He is a big reason why Adrian Peterson struggled up the middle at times, along with Pickett of course.

Just think about how the Packers have struggled to find quality defensive linemen, especially ones that can stay healthy. If Raji walks, who would be comfortable with the Packers ability to replace him anytime soon? I certainly wouldn't. I think it's best to stick with what they have. Give Raji a reasonable extension, and try to find better players to put around him. I honestly don't think Raji will demand or get anything other than a reasonable contract if he hits the open market, anyway. It might as well be with the Packers. If they were able to have a good rotation to keep him fresh, he will continue to be a "good" player, but perhaps not "great." Teams have to find ways to win with "good" players at several positions anyway, because the great ones are hard to come by, especially when drafting in the late first every year.
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#38 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 12:08:54 PM(UTC)
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Raji is a fine player and would be missed if he leaves (unless we replace him with someone better of course, but that's the case with anyone). However, it's not easy to find big guys like Raji. Raji isn't elite, but he can be a very effective player so long as he has another really good player beside him, such as Cullen Jenkins. Is that ideal? Obviously not. It'd be best to have Raji be a beast regardless of who he was playing beside, but it's just not reality. Line him up next to another formidable player, and that's a nice combo. Raji isn't worth elite money, but he is valuable to this team, make no mistake. At times he can push the pocket at a high level and really disrupt the middle. He is a big reason why Adrian Peterson struggled up the middle at times, along with Pickett of course.

Just think about how the Packers have struggled to find quality defensive linemen, especially ones that can stay healthy. If Raji walks, who would be comfortable with the Packers ability to replace him anytime soon? I certainly wouldn't. I think it's best to stick with what they have. Give Raji a reasonable extension, and try to find better players to put around him. I honestly don't think Raji will demand or get anything other than a reasonable contract if he hits the open market, anyway. It might as well be with the Packers. If they were able to have a good rotation to keep him fresh, he will continue to be a "good" player, but perhaps not "great." Teams have to find ways to win with "good" players at several positions anyway, because the great ones are hard to come by, especially when drafting in the late first every year.


I totally agree with this doddpower. Totally.

Raji has had an inordinate number of snaps since the 2010 season. Ridiculously high. He had 6.5 sacks in 2010, alongside Cullen Jenkins.

Add talent around him and behind him, to maximize his talents. This player does better in rotation, and finally adding a real talent alongside him and Pickett wouldn't hurt. We've needed that for two years now. Let's not make it three.
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I totally agree with this doddpower. Totally.

Raji has had an inordinate number of snaps since the 2010 season. Ridiculously high. He had 6.5 sacks in 2010, alongside Cullen Jenkins.

Add talent around him and behind him, to maximize his talents. This player does better in rotation, and finally adding a real talent alongside him and Pickett wouldn't hurt. We've needed that for two years now. Let's not make it three.


There's nothing wrong with the talent of Neal and Worthy. I do think with Worthy's injury, we should invest one more high pick in a 5 technique DE.

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There's nothing wrong with the talent of Neal and Worthy. I do think with Worthy's injury, we should invest one more high pick in a 5 technique DE.



Definitely. Especially since Worthy is very questionable at that position even when healthy.
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