Green Bay Packers Forum

Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
3 Pages123>
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 8:36:03 PM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2012PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2013FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2014FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2013

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,506
Applause Received: 1,765
Quote:
The offensive line was one of the weak links of the 2012 Green Bay Packers. The stats back it up.

The Packers gave up the second-most sacks in the NFL — 51. Only the 5-11 Arizona Cardinals gave up more (58). The Packers were also 26th in yards per rush, at 3.4.

So who were the culprits?

Well, it’s hard to track offensive line production on running plays, but it’s pretty easy to track it in two other areas — sacks allowed and penalties.

And you know we’re always happy to point fingers. Hell, the Packers coaching staff doesn’t do it. Someone has to.

The Packers had seven guys start games on the offensive line in 2012. Only two guys started every game — Marshall Newhouse and Josh Sitton.

For those who didn’t start all 16, we took their stats and averaged them out over a 16-game schedule. Here’s who won and who lost.

Most sacks allowed (16 games)

Don Barclay (14)
T.J. Lang (12)
Marshall Newhouse (10)

Fewest sacks allowed (16 games)

Josh Sitton (2.5)
Jeff Saturday (4)
Evan Dietrich-Smith (5)

Most penalties (16 games)

Evan Dietrich-Smith (13)
Don Barclay (12)
Bryan Bulaga (9)

Fewest penalties (16 games)

Jeff Saturday (1)
Marshall Newhouse (3)
T.J. Lang (4)

Here’s each guy’s individual line.

Marshall Newhouse
16 starts, 10 sacks allowed, 3 penalties

Don Barclay
4 starts, 3.5 sacks allowed, 3 penalties
16 starts, 14 sacks, 12 penalties (projected)

Bryan Bulaga
9 starts, 5 sacks, 5 penalties
16 starts, 9 sacks, 9 penalties (projected)

Evan Dietrich-Smith
6 starts, 2 sacks, 5 penalties
16 starts, 5 sacks, 13 penalties (projected)

T.J. Lang
15 starts, 11 sacks, 4 penalties
16 starts, 12 sacks, 4 penalties (projected)

Jeff Saturday
14 starts, 3.5 sacks, 1 penalty
16 starts, 4 sacks, 1 penalty (projected)

Josh Sitton
16 starts, 2.5 sacks, 6 penalties

What does all of this tell us?

Well, No. 1, it’s fair to say Josh Sitton is the Packers best offensive lineman. It’s also fair to say Don Barclay is easily overwhelmed in pass protection.

That’s not a surprise, considering he was an undrafted rookie thrust into the starting lineup. What surprised all of us was that he was a road grader in the running game, which is something we’re obviously not measuring here. Does that make up for his inadequacies in pass protection? Unfortunately, no.

Also fair — T.J. Lang, Bryan Bulaga, Marshall Newhouse and Evan Dietrich-Smith have some areas to improve in. Or maybe a better assessment is this. The Packers need to bring in some new talent on the offensive line.

It’s not hard to see that the left side of the Packers offensive line didn’t play well in 2012. Of the team’s 51 sacks surrendered, 25 were given up by Newhouse and Lang — the team’s starting left tackle and guard.

Those positions should be priorities for the Packers to address this offseason. Will they? We’re going to say it’s doubtful.

The team is still counting on former first-round pick Derek Sherrod to compete for a spot. There’s also been talk of moving Bulaga back to left tackle (although he wasn’t much better than Newhouse in 2012). Then there’s the fact the Packers gave Lang a contract extension last offseason.

That doesn’t bode well for an influx of new talent. Besides, you know the Packers love the status quo more than anything else.
link
Offline RajiRoar  
#2 Posted : Monday, January 28, 2013 9:01:16 PM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

United States
Joined: 9/30/2009(UTC)
Applause Given: 49
Applause Received: 351
AT LEAST half of the sacks are Rodgers' fault.. He holds the ball way too damn long.

Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy do not help the line much at all.
thanks Post received 2 applause.
DakotaT on 1/28/2013(UTC), nerdmann on 2/2/2013(UTC)
Offline Rockmolder  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:33:37 AM(UTC)
Rank: Veteran Member

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2010

Netherlands
Joined: 9/14/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 239
Applause Received: 374
Would be fair if we could get a breakdown of when Lang gave up those sacks, hurries and hits. His games at RT were awful, further acknowledging the fact that he's a guard. I actually thought he did a pretty decent job at that spot.

Barclay is what he is. A pretty decent run blocker with some glaring holes in his pass protection.

Newhouse was/is an athletic project. I think that he can still get better and be an effective LT, but yes, he does still get beaten by the better pass rushers at this point in his career. I don't know if he'll ever become an elite LT, I don't think so, but he's servicable.

We should hope that Sherrod comes back strong. He's not that much different from Newhouse, but just a tad bigger, a tad more talented. I feel that, with some development, he'll surpass Newhouse.

Problem his, he'll need some playing time and he might not, from the get go, play on Newhouse's level, so we'll have to hope he'll actually see the field at all next season.
Offline DakotaT  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 4:57:10 AM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

United States
Joined: 8/18/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 964
Applause Received: 1,962
The only offensive lineman that has an automatic starting job is Sitton going into training camp. I would say we have a lot of weaknesses on our offensive line. But, when you take into account the amount of times the Packers go empty to get 5 wide out on the field - our line is put in a tough position.
Offline Zero2Cool  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:40:47 AM(UTC)
Rank: Premier Member

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2015Yahoo! Fantasy Football - Gold: 2009FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2011ESPN NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2010Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2013

United States
Joined: 10/13/2006(UTC)
Location: Green Bay, WI
Applause Given: 2,325
Applause Received: 3,595
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
AT LEAST half of the sacks are Rodgers' fault.. He holds the ball way too damn long.

Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy do not help the line much at all.


9 out of 51 is half? Where did you get your public education at, North Dakota?
thanks Post received 1 applause.
Wade on 1/29/2013(UTC)
Offline wpr  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 6:48:35 AM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2012PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2013FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2014FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2013

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,506
Applause Received: 1,765
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
9 out of 51 is half? Where did you get your public education at, North Dakota?


I miss vr. Crying
Offline PackerTraxx  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:26:03 AM(UTC)
Rank: Senior Member

Joined: 8/13/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 131
Applause Received: 236
The first thing that comes to my mind is that the numbers are skewed because the sacks usually come from the edge not the center of the line. So, as an example, Barclay with 14 may have actually done much better than Lang with 12. Without knowing who they're actually assigned to block it's impossible to tell.
Offline DakotaT  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 7:54:41 AM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

United States
Joined: 8/18/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 964
Applause Received: 1,962
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
9 out of 51 is half? Where did you get your public education at, North Dakota?


http://www.google.com/ur...mp;bvm=bv.41524429,d.b2I


Sorry Dumbass, ND ranks higher than any of the home states of the usual supects that denigrate me.
Offline wpr  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 8:15:03 AM(UTC)
Rank: Select Member

PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2012PackersHome NFL Pick'em - Gold: 2013FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Silver: 2014FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2013

Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,506
Applause Received: 1,765
PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
The first thing that comes to my mind is that the numbers are skewed because the sacks usually come from the edge not the center of the line. So, as an example, Barclay with 14 may have actually done much better than Lang with 12. Without knowing who they're actually assigned to block it's impossible to tell.


Yep. Hard to tell. Were there stunts or twists that didn't get picked up? Was there 2 guys coming over OT? One to the inside and one to the outside? Was the RB/TE suppose to assist and he wasn't there?

Raw numbers don't mean a whole lot without the reviewing each play. Glad that is not my job.
Offline olds70supreme  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:28:08 PM(UTC)
Rank: Member

Joined: 8/10/2009(UTC)
Applause Given: 23
Applause Received: 52
Also, this article only compares the Packers O-linemen, than draws the conclusion that they need new guys because some did worse than others. John Madden and I would be willing to go out on a limb (a fairly stout one though) and say that that is true of most any football team ever/anywhere. In short, it doesn't mean much if it isn't comparing them to other linemen in the league. Not to say the conclusion is wrong (because it may very well be correct), just that the method of reaching it isn't.
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest (2)
3 Pages123>
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error


Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (29-Jul): NFL just needs more rules and intrusive Judging and Jury and Sentencing and it'll be w!n!
wpr (29-Jul): I understand Pack93z. Unfortunately the good ol days are gone.
Zero2Cool (29-Jul): Bahahaha
Zero2Cool (29-Jul): It's hard for me to get amped when I'm so much more wise than the others here. *sigh*
Pack93z (29-Jul): football is still in my blood... just not the current NFL product.
Pack93z (29-Jul): Trying to get into TC mode and get amped for the season... alas, it just isn't the same passion I once had for the NFL product.. football is
Zero2Cool (28-Jul): I have a habit of hitting tab then space bar lol
Pack93z (28-Jul): .... and yes, that was a retyped message cause the user hit the enter key.. lol
Pack93z (28-Jul): It really isn't that big of a deal, more of a user problem that can't remember to stop and click in place of hitting a key... and yes, this
Zero2Cool (28-Jul): And it also won't do a full page refresh either.
Zero2Cool (28-Jul): I have to toss in an UpdatePanel and dedicate Enter to it for submission, then it will work.
Zero2Cool (28-Jul): nerdmann went bonkers with creating topics so we had to slow him down a tad lol
Pack93z (28-Jul): If I gotta field questions all week from this user base at work... going to share the "love".
Pack93z (28-Jul): There... that should miff Zero for a couple of seconds... ;)
Pack93z (28-Jul): Also.. when posting in the fan shout... why can't I hit the enter key to post a message?
Pack93z (28-Jul): What is this 5 minute wait cycle to create articles from the headlines... can't I spam them like hotcakes?
Mucky Tundra (27-Jul): haha
Zero2Cool (27-Jul): Crap, another meeting! Ugh!
Zero2Cool (27-Jul): Check in already! We waiting on YOU!!!
Pack93z (27-Jul): YES :)
Pack93z (27-Jul): --- KEVIN ----
Mucky Tundra (27-Jul): of the Dead?
Zero2Cool (27-Jul): --- SHAWN ---
Cheesey (25-Jul): Me neither. He did virtually nothing after he left the Packers.
Zero2Cool (25-Jul): WR Greg Jennings retires. I think I should be surprised, but I'm not.
Cheesey (23-Jul): It's sad, he was young.
wpr (22-Jul): Sorry to hear about Dennis passing away.
Zero2Cool (22-Jul): Hopefully people respect his passing without trying to make jokes.
Zero2Cool (22-Jul): Damn, Dennis Green passed away.
Zero2Cool (22-Jul): Bahahahah
Smokey (16-Jul): Playing 2016 Fantasy Football ? NO ? Contact me to join the Tailgaters Fantasy Football League !
wpr (15-Jul): Happy birthday since69
Zero2Cool (15-Jul): Whoa!Today's Birthdays: Since69 (51)
Zero2Cool (15-Jul): No sir. But at work we had our A/C go out, not fun lol
Smokey (14-Jul): Did recent bad weather affect you Zero ? ie: loss of electricity ?
Please sign in to use Fan Shout

Road To Super Bowl LI
Sunday, Sep 11 @ 12:00 PM
at Jaguars
Sunday, Sep 18 @ 7:30 PM
at Vikings
Sunday, Sep 25 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Oct 2 @ 12:00 AM
BYE
Sunday, Oct 9 @ 7:30 PM
GIANTS
Sunday, Oct 16 @ 3:25 PM
COWBOYS
Thursday, Oct 20 @ 7:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Oct 30 @ 12:00 PM
at Falcons
Sunday, Nov 6 @ 3:25 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Nov 13 @ 12:00 PM
at Titans
Sunday, Nov 20 @ 7:30 PM
at Redskins
Monday, Nov 28 @ 7:30 PM
at Eagles
Sunday, Dec 4 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Dec 11 @ 3:25 PM
SEAHAWKS
Sunday, Dec 18 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Saturday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Jan 1 @ 12:00 PM
at Lions

Think About It
Think About It

Recent Topics
5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / DarkaneRules

12h / Fantasy Sports Talk / macbob

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

16h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

30-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

30-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

29-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / DoddPower

29-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

29-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / sschind

29-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

29-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann


Packers Headlines