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Offline Jlapp  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 5, 2013 4:31:01 PM(UTC)
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
maybe they will try and redo Hawk along with Woody.


Unlikely. Hawk has no real reason to redo his contract.

nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Thing that Hawk does adequately is show up every day, week in, week out.


Agreed. And since it seems other LBs can't seem to stay healthy, that has a lot of value.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 2:47:55 PM(UTC)
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DJ Smith was showing potential, but I don't think he did enough to be put in front of Hawk on depth chart. I really liked what Hawk did this season and like nerdmann said, he is never injured. He is there every game playing.

Making Hawk a back-up on that salary would just be a disservice to the team.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 3:17:58 PM(UTC)
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DJ Smith was showing potential, but I don't think he did enough to be put in front of Hawk on depth chart. I really liked what Hawk did this season and like nerdmann said, he is never injured. He is there every game playing.

Making Hawk a back-up on that salary would just be a disservice to the team.


well there was that one game he suited up but did not get on the field due to Dom going with his sub package the whole game.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 3:44:08 PM(UTC)
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AJ Hawk has not forced a fumble since 2007. Think about that. 5 years of playing LB in the NFL. Almost 500 tackles in those 5 years. And not one single fumble... Bishop has forced 8 in the last 5 years by comparison.

He has not forced a TO in 2 years. Patrick Willis has forced 9 TO's in the last 2 years playing the same 3-4.

AJ Hawk in the last 2 years has had 3 Passes Defended. 0 this year. A starting LB for the GB Packers did not deflect a single pass in 17 games. The teams we played attempted 568 passes and Hawk couldn't get in position to deflect 1. Willis has had 21 in that same time.

Remember the last 2 games against the Vikings this year. AP ran wild. Hawk, ILB, made a total of 6 tackles. In 2 games. Wonder why AP ran for so many yards? Hawk was certainly part of the problem. (He had company)

Couple weeks ago, everyone on here was screaming for a talent upgrade. Hawk is one of the weakest starters. His redeeming factor is he shows up consistently. Is that enough to play LB for the Packers? Show up every week? If the LB group is going to see an upgrade, where is it going to be? Matthews and Perry are here to stay. So it has to be inside.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 6, 2013 3:57:45 PM(UTC)
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I don't think any disputes you QC but this is not Madden. If they can not do something with his salary most likely he stays anyway. The upgrade would be to pay him more than Smith and let Smith take the obvious passing downs since he is better in coverage than Hawk.

I expect Ted will be willing to take a 2 year hit on his signing bonus but he will not take 3. There is a $300,000 roster bonus this year but it jumps to $800,000 the last 2 years. That is when they make a move.

BTW- TO is not the whole picture. He was #2 in tackles this year. That counts for something. I have seen way too many defenders go for the int and get burnt giving up big yards and/or a td. I have seen way too many defenders try and knock the ball out while the ball carrier rambled for another 20 yards to get too excited about teams that look for the TO first.

edit- he has been #1 or 2 in tackles for 4 of the past 5 years.
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AJ Hawk has not forced a fumble since 2007. Think about that. 5 years of playing LB in the NFL. Almost 500 tackles in those 5 years. And not one single fumble... Bishop has forced 8 in the last 5 years by comparison.

He has not forced a TO in 2 years. Patrick Willis has forced 9 TO's in the last 2 years playing the same 3-4.

AJ Hawk in the last 2 years has had 3 Passes Defended. 0 this year. A starting LB for the GB Packers did not deflect a single pass in 17 games. The teams we played attempted 568 passes and Hawk couldn't get in position to deflect 1. Willis has had 21 in that same time.

Remember the last 2 games against the Vikings this year. AP ran wild. Hawk, ILB, made a total of 6 tackles. In 2 games. Wonder why AP ran for so many yards? Hawk was certainly part of the problem. (He had company)

Couple weeks ago, everyone on here was screaming for a talent upgrade. Hawk is one of the weakest starters. His redeeming factor is he shows up consistently. Is that enough to play LB for the Packers? Show up every week? If the LB group is going to see an upgrade, where is it going to be? Matthews and Perry are here to stay. So it has to be inside.


All valid points.
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Remember the last 2 games against the Vikings this year. AP ran wild. Hawk, ILB, made a total of 6 tackles. In 2 games. Wonder why AP ran for so many yards? Hawk was certainly part of the problem. (He had company)

Couple weeks ago, everyone on here was screaming for a talent upgrade. Hawk is one of the weakest starters. His redeeming factor is he shows up consistently. Is that enough to play LB for the Packers? Show up every week? If the LB group is going to see an upgrade, where is it going to be? Matthews and Perry are here to stay. So it has to be inside.

Peterson did most of his damage on the outside, which is why Hawk's tackle numbers were relatively low. In actuality, Green Bay's run defense was respectable when defending inside runs. It's when running backs would kick outside that you saw problems. The OLBs couldn't defend the run. Clay Matthews' absence definitely hurt, though his run defense is far from refined. Plus, Morgan Burnett struggled to take down Peterson. In the first game, Burnett filled the gap and missed the tackle on several of the longer runs.

I'm far from a Hawk guy, but he had little to do with Peterson exploding against Green Bay, and he surprisingly played well this season. I find the idea of Bishop and Smith inside intriguing. I did going into camp last year before Bishop got hurt, but they have durability concerns, and cutting Hawk doesn’t save much money.
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I'm not nearly as high on DJ Smith as others are, despite him being a local NC guy. True, he is a fairly hard hitter and solid tackler. However, I still saw a guy that struggled in coverage and I can only imagine that getting worse as teams are able to game plan for him more. He doesn't seem to play any faster than Hawk, and taller tight ends should be able to abuse him, especially with a good QB. Moreover, he's coming off a MAJOR injury, from what I remember. Didn't he break at least one leg bone, similar to Sherrod? I honestly don't remember hearing much about his injury. I don't have much confidence in his availability/effectiveness this upcoming season.

Bishop/Smith would likely lead to a slightly better run defense, but I would still expect them to be just as bad, if not worse in coverage, especially given injury concerns.

I expect to see Hawk starting again in 2013, depending on off season moves.
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Bishop is our run stuffer.

I like Brad Jones in coverage. It'd be nice to have a specialist for this, but Jones might be our best ILB in coverage right now.

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