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Offline warhawk  
#1 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 12:28:13 PM(UTC)
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Ted is hard enough to figure out and this year looks especially hard to predict how he feels about the team.
Dynamics to consider:

1)We're going to lose a couple of players for sure. Jennings and maybe Finley.

2)He drafted heavily on the defensive side of the ball last year. Will he go more balanced this year?

3)We will get Bishop,Smith, and Perry back on D. I'm guessing he wants Woodson back too.

4)We get Bulaga and I would hope Sherrod back as well on offense. Does Ted Thompson feel like the OL will have what it takes with those guys back in the mix?

5)With the cap issues on the horizon I do not see Ted Thompson trading up but using all or gaining picks to stockpile less expensive talent.


Picking in the mid 20's all the time we see all the top OL and DL picked other than who Ted has swooped up if still around. He's gone OL in the first with Bulaga and Sherrod then Mathews, Raji, and Perry. All had one thing in common. They really weren't predicted to be there when it was our turn (well, Mathews wasn't but what a move).

So I figure this year it really doesn't matter what position it is but hope for a top player to slip between the cracks and Ted jump and then work his magic from there.

Who knows what he's thinking though?



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Offline doddpower  
#2 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 12:57:59 PM(UTC)
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I just hope to see top talent added to the team, almost regardless of position. The Packers have a lot of talent, but they need more. This a great draft to go almost strictly best pick available, within certain pre-defined criteria, of course. There is literally not a single position other than QB in which the Packers couldn't use a top talent at. Let the draft fall as it may, and draft accordingly. Hopefully this will work in Teds Favor.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 1:22:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
Ted is hard enough to figure out and this year looks especially hard to predict how he feels about the team.
Dynamics to consider:

1)We're going to lose a couple of players for sure. Jennings and maybe Finley.

2)He drafted heavily on the defensive side of the ball last year. Will he go more balanced this year?

3)We will get Bishop,Smith, and Perry back on D. I'm guessing he wants Woodson back too.

4)We get Bulaga and I would hope Sherrod back as well on offense. Does Ted Thompson feel like the OL will have what it takes with those guys back in the mix?

5)With the cap issues on the horizon I do not see Ted Thompson trading up but using all or gaining picks to stockpile less expensive talent.


Picking in the mid 20's all the time we see all the top OL and DL picked other than who Ted has swooped up if still around. He's gone OL in the first with Bulaga and Sherrod then Mathews, Raji, and Perry. All had one thing in common. They really weren't predicted to be there when it was our turn (well, Mathews wasn't but what a move).

So I figure this year it really doesn't matter what position it is but hope for a top player to slip between the cracks and Ted jump and then work his magic from there.

Who knows what he's thinking though?






1. wouldn't be shocked if woody falls into that group. It all depends on his willingness to restructure.

2. It is possible. Still may be heavy on the Def. WR, TE, QB,even OL are not critical needs. (upgrades always welcomed.) DL, OLB and S more pressing.

3. For the right price. He has the Packers over a barrel. He is the $10 mil man for the next 2 years. Contract: 2013-2014: $6.5 million (+ $2.5 million roster bonus due 7/24 + $1 million in per-game roster bonuses). But they take a $4.2 million dollar hit for the next 2 years if they release him.

4. Who knows what he thinks. IF both are healthy going into the draft and then TC, I think he is willing to let them play a year and see. Bulaga has not been bad. Learning and getting better. Sherrod looked like a rookie but had flashes of being a first round pick in the little he played. If one of them were to fail then Newhouse or Barclay will get a little more PT. I could see Uncle Teddy adding an interior lineman especially a C in the draft.

5. He trades up so rarely it would have to be a special player at a price (draft picks) he loves. I hope he doesn't trade down too much. There are not a lot of needs and extra picks will only be squandered.

To hear him talk he just works the board and let's the broad tell him who to select. Very simplistic but he doesn't tell us much more than that.
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Offline DakotaT  
#4 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 1:32:03 PM(UTC)
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I think between Newhouse and Sherrod we have LT covered - let's face it, we won't get a blue chip prospect there as long as we have the quality of quarterback we've become use to. But LG and Center are both positions that could use upgrading from what we currently field.

On the d-line we have NT covered, but would anybody mind another huge body as a late round project? I'd love to go get Paul Kruger in free agency to have our bookends and then let Perry beef up and play DE opposite Neal - but Uncle Ted probably wouldn't do that.

Our roster is pretty good now, but BPA is the way to go.
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Offline yooperfan  
#5 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 1:42:08 PM(UTC)
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Even though conventional wisdom says 1st pick should be OL, DL or LB Ted will go against CW and take a wide reciever with his 1st pick.
Offline JustJeff  
#6 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 2:09:58 PM(UTC)
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Woodson's $10 million per year this year and next has no cap penalty to cut him loose.
The structure: (rough amounts - he's actually $9,437,500 this year and $10 million next year)
Base Salary - $6.5 million
Roster bonus - $1 million
Game bonus - $2.5
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Offline JustJeff  
#7 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 2:12:44 PM(UTC)
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2005 - Rodgers
2006 - Hawk
2007 - Harrell
2008 - traded (Jordy in the 2nd)
2009 - Raji at 9 and Clay at 26
2010 - Bulaga
2011 - Sherrod
2012 - Perry

The average weight of the Packers six first round picks in the past six years is 302 pounds. The best bet is a lineman, but the smart money will not bet on whom Thompson will select.
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Offline PackerTraxx  
#8 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 2:28:15 PM(UTC)
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C, ILB, and S are where we could most likely get a top player with our pick since they are generally undervalued. Actully, I've never totally understood this because it is important to be strong up the middle in any sport, even chess and checkers. A scenirio I wouldn't mind is trading out of the first round to pick up someone's top third of the round 2 pick and their 1st next year.
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#9 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 4:54:15 PM(UTC)
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BPA, but guaranteed he takes a WR in the 2nd or 3rd.
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Offline dfosterf  
#10 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 7:26:45 PM(UTC)
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He should be fired. He is not doing the proper blend of repairing holes with veteran talent coupled with wise draft choices.


His drafting is fine. It is his apparent stubborness to stick to that as basically his only choice that makes me want him gone.

He is LATE in his choices if that is his philosophy. If he is all about the draft, he is LATE MOST OF THE TIME.

Capers can hit the fucking trail also.

We have been squandering Rodgers talent and low cap number/salary and it has been pissing me off. Younger viewers are used to awesome QB talent. Me, I will always remain concerned, and imo, rightfully so. It is a PARTY to build a team around a QB vs. building a QB around a team. Ted is FAILING US, imo

...and I like Ted. Face. Palm.

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#11 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 7:44:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
He should be fired. He is not doing the proper blend of repairing holes with veteran talent coupled with wise draft choices.


His drafting is fine. It is his apparent stubborness to stick to that as basically his only choice that makes me want him gone.

He is LATE in his choices if that is his philosophy. If he is all about the draft, he is LATE MOST OF THE TIME.

Capers can hit the fucking trail also.

We have been squandering Rodgers talent and low cap number/salary and it has been pissing me off. Younger viewers are used to awesome QB talent. Me, I will always remain concerned, and imo, rightfully so. It is a PARTY to build a team around a QB vs. building a QB around a team. Ted is FAILING US, imo

...and I like Ted. Face. Palm.


He signs FAs, it's that that they are his own FAs.

As for squandering Aaron's talent, Aaron, like his predecessor, can take responsibility for much of that.
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Offline DakotaT  
#12 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 7:47:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
He should be fired. He is not doing the proper blend of repairing holes with veteran talent coupled with wise draft choices.


His drafting is fine. It is his apparent stubborness to stick to that as basically his only choice that makes me want him gone.

He is LATE in his choices if that is his philosophy. If he is all about the draft, he is LATE MOST OF THE TIME.

Capers can hit the fucking trail also.

We have been squandering Rodgers talent and low cap number/salary and it has been pissing me off. Younger viewers are used to awesome QB talent. Me, I will always remain concerned, and imo, rightfully so. It is a PARTY to build a team around a QB vs. building a QB around a team. Ted is FAILING US, imo

...and I like Ted. Face. Palm.


Ted has definitely screwed the pooch because there should be more hardware in the trophy case. But Ted isn't making this team soft, that blame lies on our Pillsbury doughboy coach. I don't care what kind of offensive genius he is, this team gets beat at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and that shit can't happen. There has been more than enough talent to get it done, it just hasn't happened.
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Offline dfosterf  
#13 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 7:50:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
He signs FAs, it's that that they are his own FAs.

As for squandering Aaron's talent, Aaron, like his predecessor, can take responsibility for much of that.


Nonsense- Give Aaron Rodgers a superior line and N O ONE could defend it. IT ISN'T THAT HARD if you dip into free agency wisely.



Aaron Rodgers has been playing behind SHIT. We can't even run the friggin' ball with an MVP QB.

Any IDIOT can see that Rodgers is going to cost us a FORTUNE, the most ever, right? Yes? which means MANY players will be lost on both offense and defense...

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Offline dfosterf  
#14 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 8:21:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Ted has definitely screwed the pooch because there should be more hardware in the trophy case. But Ted isn't making this team soft, that blame lies on our Pillsbury doughboy coach. I don't care what kind of offensive genius he is, this team gets beat at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and that shit can't happen. There has been more than enough talent to get it done, it just hasn't happened.


I don't like getting beat on the line of scrimmage. It defines my team. I will not even admit we ARE getting beat on the line of scrimmage, but IF WE ARE, I want HEADS. I want the plumber/toilet guy, I want Murphy, Thompson, the toll-taker, EVERYONE. W H Y would the Green Bay Packers allow themselves to get beat at the line of scrimmage when they have had a cheap QB that is awesome, for example?


Why?


Ted Thompson runs this thing, last time I checked.

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#15 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 8:27:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
Nonsense- Give Aaron Rodgers a superior line and N O ONE could defend it. IT ISN'T THAT HARD if you dip into free agency wisely.



Aaron Rodgers has been playing behind SHIT. We can't even run the friggin' ball with an MVP QB.

Any IDIOT can see that Rodgers is going to cost us a FORTUNE, the most ever, right? Yes? which means MANY players will be lost on both offense and defense...


If we lose players, we need players to replace them.

Drafting guys who can play is much cheaper than bidding for them.

That said, maybe if Aaron didn't have 8 seconds to hold onto the ball waiting for someone to come open deep, he'd run a more efficient offense. Not that the line is great, but it's not the reason we were eliminated from the playoffs.
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#16 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 8:35:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If we lose players, we need players to replace them.

Drafting guys who can play is much cheaper than bidding for them.

That said, maybe if Aaron didn't have 8 seconds to hold onto the ball waiting for someone to come open deep, he'd run a more efficient offense. Not that the line is great, but it's not the reason we were eliminated from the playoffs.


This argument is about Ted. What if we had a great running threat? What if we had a book-end to Clay? I don't think at least trying to achieve those objectives was out of line for last year.

Now we are going to lose more players, going to wait more for Ted to replace them, plus we gotta do the Aaron deal this year, which I HOPE TO CHRIST Ted was thinking about last year, though we have no indications he was- and wonder why we cannot relive the 2010 glory, and frankly, the recipe to do so doesn't even look hard.

He is not forward thinking, by my evaluation of his strategies. I don't care what all the evaluators say. I know this team, as well as a fan can. He's fucking up, imo
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#17 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 9:39:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
This argument is about Ted. What if we had a great running threat? What if we had a book-end to Clay? I don't think at least trying to achieve those objectives was out of line for last year.

Now we are going to lose more players, going to wait more for Ted to replace them, plus we gotta do the Aaron deal this year, which I HOPE TO CHRIST Ted was thinking about last year, though we have no indications he was- and wonder why we cannot relive the 2010 glory, and frankly, the recipe to do so doesn't even look hard.

He is not forward thinking, by my evaluation of his strategies. I don't care what all the evaluators say. I know this team, as well as a fan can. He's fucking up, imo


Ted's the strength of the team, imo.

We've just had injuries at these positions. Sherrod, Nick Perry, Jerel Worthy. Dez Bishop, DJ Smith, Woody. Nick Collins.

Look at all the gems Ted has uncovered. Sam Shields. Dez Moses. DuJuan Harris. I'd take those guys over high priced free agents any day.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:17:59 AM(UTC)
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Signing the high priced free agents is something that loser teams do all the time. Look at the successful teams like the Giants, Ravens, Patriots, Steelers. Those teams rarely ever sign high $$ FA contracts.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 6:34:27 AM(UTC)
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As unhappy as I've been with our line play, both on offense and defense, I do think injury has been a major problem.

However, Ted Thompson has an obligation to give his coaches the players necessary to succeed. Losing Nick Perry, and a real pass rush opposite Matthews hurt us badly last season, maybe more than any other injury.

That aside, our DL lacked depth in quality talent. Mike Neal? Yeah, he made some plays, but not enough. CJ Wilson? Same. Jerel Worthy? A rookie who it was hoped wouldn't be a project, but he was. Mike Daniels? Another rookie, on the small side. Again, made some plays but not enough.

I thought our biggest problems were on defense, in our front 7 and S opposite Burnett.

Our problems on the OL appear to be more in coaching and play calling.

If I were Ted, I would look to - upgrade - every front 7 position outside of Matthews, and I would upgrade S. Keep Raji and Pickett, but add more talent at their positions to create a legit rotation.

The Finley experiment clearly is not working at that price. We could use a C and a LT, but we might be OK with what we have. To me, our needs on D are really calling out for help, way more than on O, where there seems to me to be more of a need for a change in coaching philosophy.

Players who cost us a ton and are either past their prime, or not living up to expectations:
Finley. Hawk. Woodson. Tramon Williams. Ted should look very closely at upgrading those as well. He's got his work cut out for him.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:05:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I just hope to see top talent added to the team, almost regardless of position. The Packers have a lot of talent, but they need more. This a great draft to go almost strictly best pick available, within certain pre-defined criteria, of course. There is literally not a single position other than QB in which the Packers couldn't use a top talent at. Let the draft fall as it may, and draft accordingly. Hopefully this will work in Teds Favor.


I would add that I'm with you in this line of thinking, to a point. There are positions where we look to be solid outside of QB. LG, RG, WR, CB. Clay Matthews' position.

Would I like to see us add a punishing RB? Absolutely. A TE or two who can fit well in our system? Absolutely. A mauler of a LT and/or C? You bet. Another NT? Bring it!

We have a ton of positions that require upgrades on both sides of the ball. All I know, is Ted can't rely simply on the draft alone to address all of our needs. He must add quality FAs as well.
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:27:20 AM(UTC)
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OL OL DL OL DL OL DL OL LB OL

Relative importance:
OL 60%
DL 30%
LB 10%

I'll be upset if the Packers' first pick goes for anything other than one of these positions.

I'll be upset if any of first five picks the Packers make are used for anything other than these position.

IMO the main reason the Packers have only one Super Bowl appearance in the Thompson era is that he and his personnel department have been below average when it comes to acquiring dominant OL talent and dominant front seven talent on defense In this regard, they've got one home run hitter on the offensive side (Sitton), one home run hitter on the defensive side (Matthews), and one multiple-RBI double on defense (Pickett). Beyond this, its been a bunch of .250 hitters that strike out a lot, high ERA pitchers, and journeyman fielders.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:22:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
This argument is about Ted. What if we had a great running threat? What if we had a book-end to Clay? I don't think at least trying to achieve those objectives was out of line for last year.

Now we are going to lose more players, going to wait more for Ted to replace them, plus we gotta do the Aaron deal this year, which I HOPE TO CHRIST Ted was thinking about last year, though we have no indications he was- and wonder why we cannot relive the 2010 glory, and frankly, the recipe to do so doesn't even look hard.

He is not forward thinking, by my evaluation of his strategies. I don't care what all the evaluators say. I know this team, as well as a fan can. He's fucking up, imo


Ummmm, this is the guy that drafted Aaron Rodgers when we had that Brent guy playing QB. I think he is extremely forward looking, to the point of almost too much. If he was more focused on the here and now, he would waste money on FA that can't play, instead of draft and develop.

He drafted a bookend to Clay in the 1st rd last year. Does all the blame for an injury lay at his feet? In my mind, he tried to achieve that objective.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:34:36 AM(UTC)
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DE- Think JJ Watt. Doesn't have to be huge, but disruptive.
OG/C- Josh Sitton's twin, with a bad attitude
WR- Need the next great WR
DL- Big butt guy. Someone to rotate with Raji and Pickett, replacing Pickett in 2014.
TE- Finley clone,

After that, whatever. DL, OL, RB, LB.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:42:54 AM(UTC)
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To be specific, I don't know how, but I would be happy to see us draft Barrett Jones, Margus Hunt, and William Gholston. After that a sleeper safety and receiver would be nice.
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:33:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
Ummmm, this is the guy that drafted Aaron Rodgers when we had that Brent guy playing QB. I think he is extremely forward looking, to the point of almost too much. If he was more focused on the here and now, he would waste money on FA that can't play, instead of draft and develop.

He drafted a bookend to Clay in the 1st rd last year. Does all the blame for an injury lay at his feet? In my mind, he tried to achieve that objective.


The bottom line for me with Ted Thompson is that we won the SB in '10 and there is no one here that can convince me the roster we will put on the field next year won't be more talented than that team. Last year either.

We build thru the draft. The top guys you draft have to get on the damn football field. We lose Bulaga, Sherrod, and Perry yet somehow the cumulative effect of this is lost on many here.

Screw FA. Look at the Bears. They bring in all these high priced guys and can't beat....us. And there will be hell to pay soon for them too for all they are shelling out to these guys.

We pick in the mid to upper 20's and every team out there needs offensive and defensive linemen or the top 10 or so wouldn't be gone by the time we pick every time. We don't get a whiff at the JJ Watt's. Making it even more important that the guys we do get are OUT THERE.

Bottom line. Ted will put talent on the field. We need a little luck injury wise, a few guys to play better,and better coaching to get them to play better.












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