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Offline dfosterf  
#16 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 8:35:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
If we lose players, we need players to replace them.

Drafting guys who can play is much cheaper than bidding for them.

That said, maybe if Aaron didn't have 8 seconds to hold onto the ball waiting for someone to come open deep, he'd run a more efficient offense. Not that the line is great, but it's not the reason we were eliminated from the playoffs.


This argument is about Ted. What if we had a great running threat? What if we had a book-end to Clay? I don't think at least trying to achieve those objectives was out of line for last year.

Now we are going to lose more players, going to wait more for Ted to replace them, plus we gotta do the Aaron deal this year, which I HOPE TO CHRIST Ted was thinking about last year, though we have no indications he was- and wonder why we cannot relive the 2010 glory, and frankly, the recipe to do so doesn't even look hard.

He is not forward thinking, by my evaluation of his strategies. I don't care what all the evaluators say. I know this team, as well as a fan can. He's fucking up, imo
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Offline nerdmann  
#17 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 9:39:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
This argument is about Ted. What if we had a great running threat? What if we had a book-end to Clay? I don't think at least trying to achieve those objectives was out of line for last year.

Now we are going to lose more players, going to wait more for Ted to replace them, plus we gotta do the Aaron deal this year, which I HOPE TO CHRIST Ted was thinking about last year, though we have no indications he was- and wonder why we cannot relive the 2010 glory, and frankly, the recipe to do so doesn't even look hard.

He is not forward thinking, by my evaluation of his strategies. I don't care what all the evaluators say. I know this team, as well as a fan can. He's fucking up, imo


Ted's the strength of the team, imo.

We've just had injuries at these positions. Sherrod, Nick Perry, Jerel Worthy. Dez Bishop, DJ Smith, Woody. Nick Collins.

Look at all the gems Ted has uncovered. Sam Shields. Dez Moses. DuJuan Harris. I'd take those guys over high priced free agents any day.
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Offline steveishere  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:17:59 AM(UTC)
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Signing the high priced free agents is something that loser teams do all the time. Look at the successful teams like the Giants, Ravens, Patriots, Steelers. Those teams rarely ever sign high $$ FA contracts.
Offline play2win  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 6:34:27 AM(UTC)
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As unhappy as I've been with our line play, both on offense and defense, I do think injury has been a major problem.

However, Ted Thompson has an obligation to give his coaches the players necessary to succeed. Losing Nick Perry, and a real pass rush opposite Matthews hurt us badly last season, maybe more than any other injury.

That aside, our DL lacked depth in quality talent. Mike Neal? Yeah, he made some plays, but not enough. CJ Wilson? Same. Jerel Worthy? A rookie who it was hoped wouldn't be a project, but he was. Mike Daniels? Another rookie, on the small side. Again, made some plays but not enough.

I thought our biggest problems were on defense, in our front 7 and S opposite Burnett.

Our problems on the OL appear to be more in coaching and play calling.

If I were Ted, I would look to - upgrade - every front 7 position outside of Matthews, and I would upgrade S. Keep Raji and Pickett, but add more talent at their positions to create a legit rotation.

The Finley experiment clearly is not working at that price. We could use a C and a LT, but we might be OK with what we have. To me, our needs on D are really calling out for help, way more than on O, where there seems to me to be more of a need for a change in coaching philosophy.

Players who cost us a ton and are either past their prime, or not living up to expectations:
Finley. Hawk. Woodson. Tramon Williams. Ted should look very closely at upgrading those as well. He's got his work cut out for him.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:05:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I just hope to see top talent added to the team, almost regardless of position. The Packers have a lot of talent, but they need more. This a great draft to go almost strictly best pick available, within certain pre-defined criteria, of course. There is literally not a single position other than QB in which the Packers couldn't use a top talent at. Let the draft fall as it may, and draft accordingly. Hopefully this will work in Teds Favor.


I would add that I'm with you in this line of thinking, to a point. There are positions where we look to be solid outside of QB. LG, RG, WR, CB. Clay Matthews' position.

Would I like to see us add a punishing RB? Absolutely. A TE or two who can fit well in our system? Absolutely. A mauler of a LT and/or C? You bet. Another NT? Bring it!

We have a ton of positions that require upgrades on both sides of the ball. All I know, is Ted can't rely simply on the draft alone to address all of our needs. He must add quality FAs as well.
Offline Wade  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:27:20 AM(UTC)
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OL OL DL OL DL OL DL OL LB OL

Relative importance:
OL 60%
DL 30%
LB 10%

I'll be upset if the Packers' first pick goes for anything other than one of these positions.

I'll be upset if any of first five picks the Packers make are used for anything other than these position.

IMO the main reason the Packers have only one Super Bowl appearance in the Thompson era is that he and his personnel department have been below average when it comes to acquiring dominant OL talent and dominant front seven talent on defense In this regard, they've got one home run hitter on the offensive side (Sitton), one home run hitter on the defensive side (Matthews), and one multiple-RBI double on defense (Pickett). Beyond this, its been a bunch of .250 hitters that strike out a lot, high ERA pitchers, and journeyman fielders.
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Offline QCHuskerFan  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:22:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
This argument is about Ted. What if we had a great running threat? What if we had a book-end to Clay? I don't think at least trying to achieve those objectives was out of line for last year.

Now we are going to lose more players, going to wait more for Ted to replace them, plus we gotta do the Aaron deal this year, which I HOPE TO CHRIST Ted was thinking about last year, though we have no indications he was- and wonder why we cannot relive the 2010 glory, and frankly, the recipe to do so doesn't even look hard.

He is not forward thinking, by my evaluation of his strategies. I don't care what all the evaluators say. I know this team, as well as a fan can. He's fucking up, imo


Ummmm, this is the guy that drafted Aaron Rodgers when we had that Brent guy playing QB. I think he is extremely forward looking, to the point of almost too much. If he was more focused on the here and now, he would waste money on FA that can't play, instead of draft and develop.

He drafted a bookend to Clay in the 1st rd last year. Does all the blame for an injury lay at his feet? In my mind, he tried to achieve that objective.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:34:36 AM(UTC)
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DE- Think JJ Watt. Doesn't have to be huge, but disruptive.
OG/C- Josh Sitton's twin, with a bad attitude
WR- Need the next great WR
DL- Big butt guy. Someone to rotate with Raji and Pickett, replacing Pickett in 2014.
TE- Finley clone,

After that, whatever. DL, OL, RB, LB.
Offline PackerTraxx  
#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:42:54 AM(UTC)
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To be specific, I don't know how, but I would be happy to see us draft Barrett Jones, Margus Hunt, and William Gholston. After that a sleeper safety and receiver would be nice.
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Offline warhawk  
#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:33:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
Ummmm, this is the guy that drafted Aaron Rodgers when we had that Brent guy playing QB. I think he is extremely forward looking, to the point of almost too much. If he was more focused on the here and now, he would waste money on FA that can't play, instead of draft and develop.

He drafted a bookend to Clay in the 1st rd last year. Does all the blame for an injury lay at his feet? In my mind, he tried to achieve that objective.


The bottom line for me with Ted Thompson is that we won the SB in '10 and there is no one here that can convince me the roster we will put on the field next year won't be more talented than that team. Last year either.

We build thru the draft. The top guys you draft have to get on the damn football field. We lose Bulaga, Sherrod, and Perry yet somehow the cumulative effect of this is lost on many here.

Screw FA. Look at the Bears. They bring in all these high priced guys and can't beat....us. And there will be hell to pay soon for them too for all they are shelling out to these guys.

We pick in the mid to upper 20's and every team out there needs offensive and defensive linemen or the top 10 or so wouldn't be gone by the time we pick every time. We don't get a whiff at the JJ Watt's. Making it even more important that the guys we do get are OUT THERE.

Bottom line. Ted will put talent on the field. We need a little luck injury wise, a few guys to play better,and better coaching to get them to play better.












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Offline play2win  
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:53:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
The bottom line for me with Ted Thompson is that we won the SB in '10 and there is no one here that can convince me the roster we will put on the field next year won't be more talented than that team. Last year either.

We build thru the draft. The top guys you draft have to get on the damn football field. We lose Bulaga, Sherrod, and Perry yet somehow the cumulative effect of this is lost on many here.

Screw FA. Look at the Bears. They bring in all these high priced guys and can't beat....us. And there will be hell to pay soon for them too for all they are shelling out to these guys.

We pick in the mid to upper 20's and every team out there needs offensive and defensive linemen or the top 10 or so wouldn't be gone by the time we pick every time. We don't get a whiff at the JJ Watt's. Making it even more important that the guys we do get are OUT THERE.

Bottom line. Ted will put talent on the field. We need a little luck injury wise, a few guys to play better,and better coaching to get them to play better.














This is off the topic, but don't you think an inordinate number of injuries, every year for more than 3 years has more to do with conditioning than it does luck? I think our staff needs to address this. Far too many injuries to key players.

You are dead nuts on with regards to the injuries suffered to Sherrod, Bulaga and Perry, and how differently the season might have gone had they not been lost. Bishop should be mentioned there as well. That is a high number of key players.

Adding a player in FA is not a bad thing. I wouldn't mind seeing them add a FA and trading for another player at a position of need, in addition to the draft. BAL traded a R3 and a R4 for Anquan Boldin. Look how well that worked out for them... We can't possibly fill all of the needs we have on this team with draftees, and expect to be substantially better.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:57:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
This is off the topic, but don't you think an inordinate number of injuries, every year for more than 3 years has more to do with conditioning than it does luck? I think our staff needs to address this. Far too many injuries to key players.

You are dead nuts on with regards to the injuries suffered to Sherrod, Bulaga and Perry, and how differently the season might have gone had they not been lost. Bishop should be mentioned there as well. That is a high number of key players.

Adding a player in FA is not a bad thing. I wouldn't mind seeing them add a FA and trading for another player at a position of need, in addition to the draft. BAL traded a R3 and a R4 for Anquan Boldin. Look how well that worked out for them... We can't possibly fill all of the needs we have on this team with draftees, and expect to be substantially better.


Since when is a broken bone or having players fall on someone a lack of conditioning?
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:59:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: QCHuskerFan Go to Quoted Post
DE- Think JJ Watt. Doesn't have to be huge, but disruptive.
OG/C- Josh Sitton's twin, with a bad attitude
WR- Need the next great WR
DL- Big butt guy. Someone to rotate with Raji and Pickett, replacing Pickett in 2014.
TE- Finley clone,

After that, whatever. DL, OL, RB, LB.


DE: Keep in mind, the job of the 3-4 DE is to take up blockers. But I agree, we could use an upgrade.
OG/C: Agreed. But keep in mind here, Ted was told to get "smaller qucker" guys for the first few years of MM's tenure. He did that. Since he's been allowed to go get "bigger, stronger" guys, his picks have been much more successful, Breno Giacomini aside. Bulaga and Sherrod are going to anchor this line for many years, just like Cliffy and Tauscher. Unless Datko wins a spot.
WR: We lost DD to age, and very likely Jennings to FA, but we're still pretty stacked at the position. However I GUARANTEE Ted will find somebody with skills in this draft. MARK IT DOWN!
TE: Hopefully Quarless will be able to get back on the field. He could be a huge addition. People underestimate the impact of having lost him. If somebody falls to us, that would be great too.
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:23:45 PM(UTC)
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Breno was a 5th rounder and he's been starting for 2 years now at RT on a decent o-line. Maybe the coaches gave up on him a year too soon or Campen just sucks that bad but he's turned out to be a decent pick.
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Offline DakotaT  
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:51:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
OL OL DL OL DL OL DL OL LB OL

Relative importance:
OL 60%
DL 30%
LB 10%

I'll be upset if the Packers' first pick goes for anything other than one of these positions.

I'll be upset if any of first five picks the Packers make are used for anything other than these position.

IMO the main reason the Packers have only one Super Bowl appearance in the Thompson era is that he and his personnel department have been below average when it comes to acquiring dominant OL talent and dominant front seven talent on defense In this regard, they've got one home run hitter on the offensive side (Sitton), one home run hitter on the defensive side (Matthews), and one multiple-RBI double on defense (Pickett). Beyond this, its been a bunch of .250 hitters that strike out a lot, high ERA pitchers, and journeyman fielders.


Why don't you try apples to apples, Numbnuts - it's like listening to rednecks comparing gun violence to drunk driving. Asshole
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