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Offline Zero2Cool  
#31 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:57:48 PM(UTC)
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I was taking exception to the hater comment - no big thing Zero2Cool. Offered some very quick access articles on salary and performance. That is all this is about. I know he turned some things around in the 2nd half of the season. But, we needed him for the full season, and he was paid for the full season. That, to me, is not a good return on investment. And, we're not even discussing his blocking...

I guess the bigger thing in all of this is looking at the thresholds, where performance and pay are in line, and forecasting those that are looking to be out of line, then making the hard decisions. As a fan, we don't have much say, and for all I know the light will go on for Jermichael Finley next season. If that does happen, I do hope it is in a Packers uniform. I understand the development of players is not as cut and dried as we all might like for it to be. Finley is their guy, and they've made a pretty big financial commitment to him, along with their continued praise and encouragement from the staff.


No question, Packers need that full season effort from him, not in spurts. That's where I mentioned that whole fire under his ass thing. I kinda hope he takes leadership of the WR/TE corps ... I just doubt he can.
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#32 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:54:07 PM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
No question, Packers need that full season effort from him, not in spurts. That's where I mentioned that whole fire under his ass thing. I kinda hope he takes leadership of the WR/TE corps ... I just doubt he can.


It would be great, if the guy all of a sudden got it. Studied hard. Practiced diligently. Kept a focus with his QB. Improved his blocking... I would love to see that, if he remains a Packer.=d>
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#33 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:05:13 PM(UTC)
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Packers have let their all-time yardage receiver retire, they are probably letting go to their "1 reciever of over the past 3 years, quedtionable whether their #1 TE will be back.
That's a lot of experience to replace just on the offensive side.

The Packers released their #1 DB, 2009 DPOY, prob. 1st rnd HOF candidate.
Questionable that their 2012 staring ML(Jones RFA) will be back,
Questionable that their 2012 starting OLB opposite Mathews (Walden) will be back,
and still a majority if you want to shit can the one LB who has been a rock at whatever position he has been asked to play.
Leading tackler in 2012, leading tackler on the team since he was drafted, started every game(but 2 in 2011}.

Yet with all the other ? this team has on defense, it seems that some of you think A.J. Hawk is the biggest problem The Packers have.

PLEASE TED CUT A.J. HAWK, absorb the 5 mil hit on the salary cap, GET HIS ASS OUT OF GREEN BAY, I for 1 am tired of the yearly A.J. Hawk has to go threads.

DAMMIT TED JUST DO IT!!!!

So some of the members can move on to their next most hated guy.



LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

You're killing me Buckeye. AJ was the shit in college and an average pro. He's overpaid but because of his contract, cutting him makes no sense. Use him up and let his contract expire. But Buckeye don't confuse the player you loved in college with what Packer fans have watched get burned repeatedly in coverage and dragged down the field by running backs. It was a weak draft and we weren't the only team that took it in the shorts.
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#34 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:55:13 PM(UTC)
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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
It was a weak draft and we weren't the only team that took it in the shorts.

It could be worse, but it could’ve been much, much better. Consider this, Green Bay passed on Haloti Ngata who went No. 12 that year. Forget all the Vernon Davis infatuation. Ted Thompson passed on possibly the best interior defensive lineman of his generation. That's a kick to the balls no matter what your opinion of Hawk is.

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It could be worse, but it could’ve been much, much better. Consider this, Green Bay passed on Haloti Ngata who went No. 12 that year. Forget all the Vernon Davis infatuation. Ted Thompson passed on possibly the best interior defensive lineman of his generation. That's a kick to the balls no matter what your opinion of Hawk is.



Hawk was like Jordy Nelson.

Maybe not as much potential upside as other players, but extremely low risk.
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#36 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:46:30 AM(UTC)
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Hawk was like Jordy Nelson.

Maybe not as much potential upside as other players, but extremely low risk.


A.J. Hawk is who everyone said he was. A player who had reached his ceiling in college. I remember hearing this, relaying it here several times when people were hoping he'd be Jack Lambert or something. He's a solid linebacker, but lacks playmaking ability. I think that would be fine someone else on the linebacking group were a risk taker.
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#37 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:05:41 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
A.J. Hawk is who everyone said he was. A player who had reached his ceiling in college. I remember hearing this, relaying it here several times when people were hoping he'd be Jack Lambert or something. He's a solid linebacker, but lacks playmaking ability. I think that would be fine someone else on the linebacking group were a risk taker.


That's a good description.

I wonder just how many different LB's have played along side Hawk since he has been with The Packers?

What most of you FAIL to realize is that Hawk is THE ONE guy who can be counted on week in week out, he's not perfect, and lordy we all know when he makes a mistake, that play will have it's own thread created, magnifying the fact that he isn't perfect.

What most of you FAIL to realize is when the D-line is getting beat up and man-handled(see SF,NYG, playoff games) the LB core as a unit is going to look bad.

Bishop then Smith and finally Jones along with A.J.Hawk(Hawk being the ONE constant) were pretty effective stopping the run between the tackles in 2012, it was the OLB's getting burned for long runs that hurt The Packers run D the most.

Yet,Clay Mathews seems to get a pass on his failure to contain the run.

I've asked the ? a 100 times, nobody has ever gave me a good answer.

Why the hell did Ted Thompson resign A.J. Hawk? Giving him an 8million signing bonus, and a new contract??

Don't worry guys, after next year, A.J Hawk will be released and you all can move on to another player who in your mind doesn't deserve to play for The Packers.

The Packers will continue being one of the youngest teams in the NFL, filled with all the potential in the world, yet, even with The Best QB in the league, they just can't seem to get over the hump as they did in 2010.

FIRE TED THOMPSON!!!!!!

Time to come to the realization that Ted's way will keep an organization competitive, but isn't going to bring championships to Green Bay.


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#38 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:13:02 AM(UTC)
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Yet,Clay Mathews seems to get a pass on his failure to contain the run.


Why do you say Clay Matthews III gets a pass on his failure to contain the run when experts rate him 6th OLB defending the run? What is your reasoning for stating he is a failure containing the run? Why do people who analyze every single snap rate him 6th overall and you say he's a failure? I do not understand! Oh, wait, he was a Trojan, not a Buckeye, now I get it! Flapper
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#39 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:35:51 AM(UTC)
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Why do you say Clay Matthews III gets a pass on his failure to contain the run when experts rate him 6th OLB defending the run? What is your reasoning for stating he is a failure containing the run? Why do people who analyze every single snap rate him 6th overall and you say he's a failure? I do not understand! Oh, wait, he was a Trojan, not a Buckeye, now I get it! Flapper

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I do so, because I can, and I am always right!!!!!!

Just a side note, I am so happy The Packers FINALLY got rid of that damn Wolverine, who has been overpaid for the last 7 years!!!!!

I guess since I have been branded a "Buckeye Homer", I'll just roll with it.

Still no answer to why Ted Thompson resigned A.J. Hawk, I guess it was just another Ted Thompson Fuck up.
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#40 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 9:44:15 AM(UTC)
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Still no answer to why Ted Thompson resigned A.J. Hawk, I guess it was just another Ted Thompson Fuck up.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL



Because he had finally come off a decent season and we were letting Barnett go, so that Bishop could play. Now you're going to see AJ let go so that Smith, Jones, or Manning can play. Poor AJ what'll he do? Maybe the Browns will bring the homeboy back to land of no Super Bowl championships.

Why isn't Hawk ever there to cover up the run when Matthews rushes the passer? Cause he can't ever fight through the blocks to get the ball carrier.
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