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Offline Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:21:29 AM(UTC)
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In the later rounds of this years draft, say 5th or later, would you advocate the Packers selecting Tyrann Mathieu?

A player that was as electric as any player in 2011.. but couldn't keep himself on the field because of off field issues. The other knock is he is undersized at 5' 9".. but it would be hard pressed not to respect his coverage skills along with his play making ability in the special teams.

In no way shape or form would he be described as a "Packer Person"... but a talented player.


If nothing else.. he could give us a return element without having to place Cobb back there. Although we still have Ross as an option.

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:29:22 AM(UTC)
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What position? Cornerback? I have only heard the name honey badger, but don't know anything about the person/player.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:34:07 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
What position? Cornerback? I have only heard the name honey badger, but don't know anything about the person/player.


Yes.. he is a 5'9" corner back that played for LSU.


Weed charges and continued use.. lead in his off field troubles. But there were other issues.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:42:08 AM(UTC)
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Undersized in an already somewhat undersized defense plus off the field issues = not worth it IMO unless he drops to the 6th or later which I doubt he will.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:56:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Undersized in an already somewhat undersized defense plus off the field issues = not worth it IMO unless he drops to the 6th or later which I doubt he will.


Sorry I had to giggle.. that decisive line between 5th and the 6th has been drawn. Big Grin

Now for my real comment.. is I think he goes late because the NFL, may put him in the drug testing program using their discretion. Basically, he may be tested more often than the average player thus increasing the chances he winds up unavailable for those reasons. I think he very well might slide all the way out of the rounds in fact. He wasn't just popped once.. it was multiple times he tested positive.. couple that other concerns off the field.. he is a red flag player.


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I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:09:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
Undersized in an already somewhat undersized defense plus off the field issues = not worth it IMO unless he drops to the 6th or later which I doubt he will.


If he drops out like Shields did, I'd love to see Ted bring him in. He's too short to go up against Megatron, but if the dude can play the ball in the air, there will be a place for him. Especially if he's a return man.

Losing Woody might hurt us as far as reclamation projects, but this team has traditionally been a positive environment for "malcontents."

If he pulls a Brandon Underwood, no big loss.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:14:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Yes.. he is a 5'9" corner back that played for LSU.


Weed charges and continued use.. lead in his off field troubles. But there were other issues.


Definitely does not seem to shy away from contact. Strips the ball out too.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:26:48 AM(UTC)
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In my post for the draft I had said that if he is sitting there in the 5th round to grab him. Yes, he is 5'9" but if you all want someone who is going to come up and hit a guy regardless of their size, he will do it. When I watched him play, he reminded me of a young Charles Woodson. He is EVERYWHERE on the field. He has great coverage skills and is a great returner. At 5th round, you cannot go wrong in selecting him. I'd go as far as saying even 4th round would be okay. He adds the nastiness the Packers need on defense.

For once, I advocate a player with off field issues. Not that I believe it until I see it, but he did state he is/has changed. The KID made mistakes and realizes that all he has in life is football.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:36:50 AM(UTC)
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Don't they normally carry 5 CB? Let's say they do keep 6. I don't see him jumping over Hayward at all. He could get past House down the road but not at the start of the season. Bush and Nixon are the bubble players. Everyone loves to bash Bush but he is a standout on ST. Will Mathieu come in and do the same? If not the best he can do is land the #6 spot on the team with an opportunity to move up in the future.

That said I would not want to use the # 5 pick on the # 6 CB on the team.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:49:41 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
LCB 38 Williams, Tramon SFA06 31House, Davon 11/4 24Bush, Jarrett W/Car
RCB 37 Shields, Sam RFA 29Hayward, Casey 12/2 23Nixon, James SFA12

Don't they normally carry 5 CB? Let's say they do keep 6. I don't see him jumping over Hayward at all. He could get past House down the road but not at the start of the season. Bush and Nixon are the bubble players. Everyone loves to bash Bush but he is a standout on ST. Will Mathieu come in and do the same? If not the best he can do is land the #6 spot on the team with an opportunity to move up in the future.

That said I would not want to use the # 5 pick on the # 6 CB on the team.


Good post.. I think it will be interesting already for the Packers and keeping players in the secondary. Adding another talent is questionable.. but for me, his value would be as a returner next season to keep Cobb (whom will be counted on even more in the offense) free from the duties.

But as a CB.. yes, that is one area at the moment the Packers don't need to address in the draft.


I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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