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dfosterf  
#21 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:26:27 AM(UTC)
I like this kid Jarrett Boykin. He reminds me of JAMES JONES!, and everyone should know by now how I feel about that, Laugh as I prefer to remind everyone CONSTANTLY that I HAD HIM in the TEETH of you NAYSAYERS Razz I don't even think Boykin is slow like many say.

I can't believe Rock is getting off a book-end to CMIII to think WR. I'm not seeing it. We are still good at WR, imo.

Zero2Cool  
#22 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:34:59 AM(UTC)
I'd rather see Greg Jennings signed and see James Jones traded for a 2nd/3rd. Jennings injuries have me worried though so I can't say I'm hoping for that. I've always like James Jones, I just think Jennings compliments Cobb and Nelson better than Jones does.

Packers need a WR that will stretch the field. Someone with some speed.
dfosterf  
#23 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:42:04 AM(UTC)
I don't think we have the line or running game for a stretcher of the field. We do have a laser-accurate QB, and guys like Jones are very hard to cover without incurring PI penalties, as DB's have a tough time with physical WR's, at least as much as they do with burners, imo

I hate to see Jennings go, but I say we have bigger problems, notwithstanding what SEEMS to be an erosion of talent on the WR front.
steveishere  
#24 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:57:58 PM(UTC)
Wade said: Go to Quoted Post
I like James Jones, a lot. But I'd rather he wasn't the number one receiver.

I like Randall Cobb, a lot. But I'd rather he wasn't the number one receiver.

I like Jordy Nelson, a lot. But I'd rather he wasn't the number one receiver.


None of those guys are "the number 1 receiver" because all 3 of them are. Why is everyone stuck in this mindset that a team has to have a number 1 guy and then a bunch of supplimentary players? I don't see anything wrong with having 3-4 equally dangerous players that can hit a big play at any time. The fact of the matter is from top to bottom this team still has one of the most dangerous wr sets in the league.

What needs to improve is the blocking up front and the running game needs to be good enough that it can offer some support.
wpr  
#25 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:34:50 PM(UTC)
There are only 2 WR that could be considered "elite" in this draft.

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Rank	Player		    Rank	School	        Class	Ht.	  Wt.	Proj. Round
13	*Keenan Allen	        1	California	      Jr	6-3	  210	1
19	*Cordarrelle Patterson	2	Tennessee	      Jr    6-3	  205	1
35	*DeAndre Hopkins	    3	Clemson	           Jr	6-1	  200	1-2


If all the other teams are grabbing OL, DL and LB then it makes sense to take Allen or Patterson if they fall that far. I just don't see it happening. Hopkins may be a 1st round pick but that doesn't make him elite.

I have seen a few other WR near Hopkins boards but once again. Not elite.
Some boards have Patterson rated higher than Allen. Some have them closer to the 26th pick than this board does.

wpr  
#26 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:57:26 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
None of those guys are "the number 1 receiver" because all 3 of them are. Why is everyone stuck in this mindset that a team has to have a number 1 guy and then a bunch of supplimentary players? I don't see anything wrong with having 3-4 equally dangerous players that can hit a big play at any time. The fact of the matter is from top to bottom this team still has one of the most dangerous wr sets in the league.

What needs to improve is the blocking up front and the running game needs to be good enough that it can offer some support.


Add to the equation that most teams don't have 3 cb who can consistently cover all the of these wr. Therefore the Wr who has a poor cover guy on him defaults to a #1 wr and have the ability to separate from the defender at the los and will seemingly have a more explosive move. There route running and hands are already pretty good. Yes they all have had periods of dropping catchable balls.
doddpower  
#27 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:02:38 PM(UTC)
If Ted Thompson has a wide receiver rated as the best player available at pick 26, he should absolutely (and likely will) draft him, regardless of how many snaps he may get this season. That's a silly way to look at things, as I have described in another thread. Besides, that could all change before the season even starts. The Packers receiving group of Nelson, Jones, Cobb, and maybe Finley sounds pretty good, but one injury leaves the group thin and not nearly as dangerous, especially without a running game. Additionally, who knows what's going to happen to Finley, but I'm sure that will be settled by the draft. Even if he stays this season, perhaps he leaves next, again leaving another hole in the receiving group. I like Boykin, but he'll be hard pressed to ever be more than a true #4 WR. A team can't simply address needs as they have them and consistently be successful. They have to plan and draft ahead.

I'm hoping the best player available is a defensive linemen or a pass rusher, but if it works out to be a wide receiver, than I totally understand the pick.
RajiRoar  
#28 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:09:26 PM(UTC)
I'd like to see Quinton Patton in the 2nd or 3rd.

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wpr  
#29 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:30:20 PM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
If Ted Thompson has a wide receiver rated as the best player available at pick 26, he should absolutely (and likely will) draft him, regardless of how many snaps he may get this season. That's a silly way to look at things, as I have described in another thread. Besides, that could all change before the season even starts. The Packers receiving group of Nelson, Jones, Cobb, and maybe Finley sounds pretty good, but one injury leaves the group thin and not nearly as dangerous, especially without a running game. Additionally, who knows what's going to happen to Finley, but I'm sure that will be settled by the draft. Even if he stays this season, perhaps he leaves next, again leaving another hole in the receiving group. I like Boykin, but he'll be hard pressed to ever be more than a true #4 WR. A team can't simply address needs as they have them and consistently be successful. They have to plan and draft ahead.

I'm hoping the best player available is a defensive linemen or a pass rusher, but if it works out to be a wide receiver, than I totally understand the pick.



yep.
porky88  
#30 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:47:02 PM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
What team would you imagine our guys could join and slip into the nr. 1 receiver role? I don't think that any of the guys on our roster have the ability to carry a receiving group, to get bracketed and still produce, to be that one receiver you throw to out of desperation and still have a good chance of him coming up with it...

I agree with you that Cobb has made some amazing progression, but he doesn't look like that X or Z guy to me who'd I'd like to see as my leading receiver.

I think that Jones, Nelson and Cobb would all start for just about any team in the NFL, but they wouldn't be the vocal point of the offense. Not the main targets.

Jets (Santonio Holmes), Bills (Steve Johnson), Dolphins (Brian Hartline), Browns (Josh Gordon), Jaguars (Laurent Robinson), Titans (Kenny Britt), Raiders (Denarius Moore), Chargers (Malcom Floyd), Eagles (DeSean Jackson), Redskins (Pierre Garcon), Rams (Danny Amendola), & Seahawks (Sidney Rice).

Those are the definite teams off the top of my head. I believe there's another half a dozen worth debating. For example, I think Cobb and Nelson are better than Anquan Boldin and Torrey Smith. The game is changing. You don't need an outside threat as your go-to guy. Teams are attacking the middle of the field with a slot-man. The Packers have done so the better part of the last six years with Greg Jennings. Take 2010 as an example. Green Bay won a Super Bowl that year with Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, and James Jones.

Jermichael Finley was hurt and Donald Driver was well on his way in decline. You're telling me that the drop off from Jennings to Cobb is that significant.

I don't agree with that. The only thing Jennings does significantly better than Cobb is route running, which he's among the best in the league at doing. Cobb is more explosive, though.

Two years ago, Jordy Nelson had an amazing season. Pro Football Outsiders actually rated it among the best of all-time. People seem to forget about it.

Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Favre's stints with Walker and Sharpe always come to mind for me. Favre was always good with his bunch of decent wide receivers, but in the small portions of time that Sharpe and Walker were absolutely dominant, it changed everything. Those "dumb throw to nowhere" became catchable balls with those guys. The nr. 1 CB all of a sudden had something to worry about and defenses had to pull a safety to one side. It just changes the entire offense.

This is not the history I remember. Sterling Sharpe retired after the ‘94 season, which was Favre’s first really good year. Following that season, Favre won his three MVP awards with Robert Brooks and Antonio Freeman as his go-to receivers. The Packers also had outstanding tight ends in Mark Chmura and Keith Jackson.

Javon Walker had one 1,000-yard season with the Packers. It came in ‘04, which was a typical Favre season under Sherman. He threw a lot of touchdowns, but also a lot of interceptions.

Regarding the draft, this draft is thin at wide receiver. I don't think there's one player that comes in and makes an immediate impact. I guess maybe Patterson, but any selection of a wide receiver is part of the long-term future of the Packers. You trade up to draft Patterson, and you're preparing for when Nelson and Jones depart when their contract is up. In other words, it's an economic argument, which to Ted Thompson’s credit, I think he saw coming when he drafted Randall Cobb two years ago. Just substitute Player A for Cobb and Nelson or Jones for Jennings. That’s where I think wide receiver enters the radar.
dfosterf  
#31 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:13:23 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Oh they go deep.. not arguing the depth of our routes.. but we don't have a guy that is a burner, someone that scares the defense with his speed. Someone that will force the back end of the defense to adjust if he is running a fly route.


I just picked a random point to let you know how much I enjoy and respect your contributions. If I gave you applause every time I agreed with you, people would talk, lol

You are the bomb, Shawn.

dfosterf  
#32 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:20:12 PM(UTC)
Good stuff, Porky.

Rockmolder  
#33 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:37:07 PM(UTC)
porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
Jets (Santonio Holmes), Bills (Steve Johnson), Dolphins (Brian Hartline), Browns (Josh Gordon), Jaguars (Laurent Robinson), Titans (Kenny Britt), Raiders (Denarius Moore), Chargers (Malcom Floyd), Eagles (DeSean Jackson), Redskins (Pierre Garcon), Rams (Danny Amendola), & Seahawks (Sidney Rice).

Those are the definite teams off the top of my head. I believe there's another half a dozen worth debating. For example, I think Cobb and Nelson are better than Anquan Boldin and Torrey Smith. The game is changing. You don't need an outside threat as your go-to guy. Teams are attacking the middle of the field with a slot-man. The Packers have done so the better part of the last six years with Greg Jennings. Take 2010 as an example. Green Bay won a Super Bowl that year with Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, and James Jones.

Jermichael Finley was hurt and Donald Driver was well on his way in decline. You're telling me that the drop off from Jennings to Cobb is that significant.

I don't agree with that. The only thing Jennings does significantly better than Cobb is route running, which he's among the best in the league at doing. Cobb is more explosive, though.

Two years ago, Jordy Nelson had an amazing season. Pro Football Outsiders actually rated it among the best of all-time. People seem to forget about it.


I don't agree with every receiver on that list. Santonio Holmes doesn't belong there, DeSean Jackson/Jeremy Maclim I'm not sure about, Justin Blackmon was dangerous already and will only become better (rather than Robinson), guys like Rice and Britt have better skillsets, they're just injured a lot, so I guess I'll give you those...

That still leaves you with a whole lot of teams that have a better situation. A whole lot more than we're than.

And no, I'm not saying that the drop-off from Jennings to Cobb is that big, per say, but I do feel like Jennings could man that outside position better than Cobb can. Jennings did pull the nr. 1 corner most of the time if I recall correctly, though, often leaving Nelson on the nr. 2, where he racked up some pretty good stats. Yes, he held his own when Jennings went down, but that just didn't seem to be the case this year.

And I certainly don't see how James Jones is the answer to our problem at nr. 1 receiver or how he'll dominate nr. 2 guys.

porky88 said:
This is not the history I remember. Sterling Sharpe retired after the ‘94 season, which was Favre’s first really good year. Following that season, Favre won his three MVP awards with Robert Brooks and Antonio Freeman as his go-to receivers. The Packers also had outstanding tight ends in Mark Chmura and Keith Jackson.

Javon Walker had one 1,000-yard season with the Packers. It came in ‘04, which was a typical Favre season under Sherman. He threw a lot of touchdowns, but also a lot of interceptions.

Regarding the draft, this draft is thin at wide receiver. I don't think there's one player that comes in and makes an immediate impact. I guess maybe Patterson, but any selection of a wide receiver is part of the long-term future of the Packers. You trade up to draft Patterson, and you're preparing for when Nelson and Jones depart when their contract is up. In other words, it's an economic argument, which to Ted Thompson’s credit, I think he saw coming when he drafted Randall Cobb two years ago. Just substitute Player A for Cobb and Nelson or Jones for Jennings. That’s where I think wide receiver enters the radar.


Fair enough. Favre's play didn't explode and I didn't mean to state that it did (reading back, I did, though). The rest of what I said still stands, though. You get that one guy who pulls coverages his way and who just grabs what's thrown at him, even those desperation passes.

We even tried to create our own guy like that in Finley at the start of the 2011 season, throwing every second pass his way.

I'm not advocating a trade-up and I'm not saying that our draft pick will become an AJ Green-like instant impact player. I'm just saying that, would an Allen or a Patterson fall down to us, you pick him up directly. Gives us the chance to let Jones walk next year, as well, as he might just overvalue himself after this TD catch season.
Rockmolder  
#34 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:38:45 PM(UTC)
dfosterf said: Go to Quoted Post
I like this kid Jarrett Boykin. He reminds me of JAMES JONES!, and everyone should know by now how I feel about that, Laugh as I prefer to remind everyone CONSTANTLY that I HAD HIM in the TEETH of you NAYSAYERS Razz I don't even think Boykin is slow like many say.

I can't believe Rock is getting off a book-end to CMIII to think WR. I'm not seeing it. We are still good at WR, imo.



I'd still like another OLB, but I can't imagine Ted being a guy who would invest yet another first rounder in one position after Matthews a couple of years ago and Perry just last year.

I'd love drafting like the Giants, but I don't think it's realistic to think Ted would do that. Although that's just a hunch that's impossible to back up.
cheeseheads123  
#35 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:00:36 PM(UTC)
An improved offensive line would do wonders for this receiving group
Pack93z  
#36 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 9:40:20 AM(UTC)

That is an impressive stat.. Jones caught more TD's than the top 3 (arguably) receivers combined.

FoxSports said:
James Jones was a touchdown-scoring machine last season, leading the entire NFL with 14 touchdown receptions. His 784 receiving yards were nowhere near the top of the league, but elite wideouts Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson didn't even combine to match Jones' incredible touchdown total.
PackerTraxx  
#37 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:15:30 PM(UTC)
I'm hoping Charles Johnson is a diamond in the rough. I really like his measurables. I know as a 7th rounder it's a long shot, but maybe he can be the next DD. I've got my finger crossed!!!
beast  
#38 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 7:57:10 PM(UTC)
PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm hoping Charles Johnson is a diamond in the rough. I really like his measurables. I know as a 7th rounder it's a long shot, but maybe he can be the next DD. I've got my finger crossed!!!


I've had this odd feeling... with 7th round pick (#216 overall) WR Charles Johnson getting all this love from Packer fans every where... while 7th round pick (#224 overall) WR Kevin Dorsey is getting no attention...

The odd feeling I've had is that Dorsey will be the one sticking around longer... just simply based on the fact, it seems like often times when a late round pick is getting that much love from fans for every ever reason they don't last very long (because they dropped that far for a reason...)

It such seems like the late round picks with the most hype from the fans are always one of the first to go... such examples are...

2012: OT Andrew Datko

2011: DE/OLB Ricky Elmore

2009: OT Jamon Meredith

2007: WR David Clowney

2007: RB DeShawn Wynn (he did help, but he was gone sooner than his talent, but then again that's why he drafted to the 7th in the first place)

2006: WR Cory Rodgers


nerdmann  
#39 Posted : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 9:07:21 PM(UTC)
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
I've had this odd feeling... with 7th round pick (#216 overall) WR Charles Johnson getting all this love from Packer fans every where... while 7th round pick (#224 overall) WR Kevin Dorsey is getting no attention...

The odd feeling I've had is that Dorsey will be the one sticking around longer... just simply based on the fact, it seems like often times when a late round pick is getting that much love from fans for every ever reason they don't last very long (because they dropped that far for a reason...)

It such seems like the late round picks with the most hype from the fans are always one of the first to go... such examples are...

2012: OT Andrew Datko

2011: DE/OLB Ricky Elmore

2009: OT Jamon Meredith

2007: WR David Clowney

2007: RB DeShawn Wynn (he did help, but he was gone sooner than his talent, but then again that's why he drafted to the 7th in the first place)

2006: WR Cory Rodgers




Charles Johnson could be the steal of a very very good draft.

He's got the skills to be BETTER than DD. I know that's heresy. I know he has to prove it on the field. But I LOVE that pick.
beast  
#40 Posted : Thursday, May 9, 2013 7:23:43 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Charles Johnson could be the steal of a very very good draft.

He's got the skills to be BETTER than DD. I know that's heresy. I know he has to prove it on the field. But I LOVE that pick.


I agree with you... but I believe the same was also said for WR draft picks David Clowney and Cory Rodgers as well...

I'm was pointing out that it seems like the late but highly hyped draft picks are the ones that seem to bust first for the Packers over the past years. Doesn't mean Johnson can't change all of that.

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