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play2win  
#1 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:34:23 AM(UTC)
Man, this might be the absolute perfect time to trade Graham Harrell.

The QBs in this draft are considered a relatively weak class. There are a number of teams looking for a starting QB: AZ, NYJ, CLE, KC, PHI and BUF. All six sitting near the top of the draft. If we could trade him for an R2, I'd swing away. Who knows?

Harrell has 2 seasons under what is considered one of the best QB coaches in the game in McCarthy, watching a league MVP in Rodgers the whole way. Harrell could hold more trade value than we might think, especially in this weak draft class for QBs

I would LOVE to see it happen.

Check this out:
"Frank Scelfo, the Jaguars’ new quarterbacks coach, caught some heat this week for insisting Jacksonville starter Blaine Gabbert would be the first passer taken in this year’s draft.

"If you graded him out right now, this is his draft class. If he were coming out — and the quarterback draft class the way it is — would he be the top guy taken? I think the answer is yes," Scelfo told The Florida Times-Union.

People mocked Scelfo last week, but guess what? He’s absolutely right."
http://msn.foxsports.com...franchise-players-021813

I've read comments recently by John Elway alluding to how poor this class is for teams looking to add a QB.

I think Harrell would be a superior QB to any available, and IMO better than Gabbert. Ted Thompson should take a page from Ron Wolf, and recognize the value of trading QBs that have been in the system. Trade away Ted!
Porforis  
#2 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:49:14 AM(UTC)
You could, but...

1. What sort of a draft pick would we get for him? 4th at best?
2. We would need to draft a QB from a weak class, trade for someone, or elevate someone from the practice squad to back up Rodgers.

I do NOT think Harrell is going to develop into a reliable backup, at least in Green Bay. So while it'd be nice to get something for him, are we really going to get more for him than we'd need to give up?
steveishere  
#3 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:27:23 AM(UTC)
He would be worth more like a 6th at best. You are really overstating how bad the QBs in the draft are. Harrell is a guy who wasn't even draftable and hasn't even done anything to show that he's any good. He's worth absolutely nothing IMO.
play2win  
#4 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:32:09 AM(UTC)
IMO, no way he's worth less than R3.
nerdmann  
#5 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:38:57 AM(UTC)
Matt Flynn gets traded before Harrell, imo. Possibly Mike Vick too. Then there's guys like Brady Quinn out there.

It's an interesting idea. Harrell has developed his arm strength. That's really his only big question mark. He's got the smarts.
JustJeff  
#6 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:02:12 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Matt Flynn gets traded before Harrell, imo. Possibly Mike Vick too. Then there's guys like Brady Quinn out there.

It's an interesting idea. Harrell has developed his arm strength. That's really his only big question mark. He's got the smarts.

Harrell still isn't good under center. He was a spread quarterback in college. He still looks it. Give him two-minute drill stuff and he looks really good. But put him under center, and in about a dozen snaps, he gets stepped on twice. BJ Coleman cannot get ready quickly enough for me. And I was a huge Harrell fan when we originally signed him.
play2win  
#7 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:14:54 AM(UTC)
JustJeff said: Go to Quoted Post
Harrell still isn't good under center. He was a spread quarterback in college. He still looks it. Give him two-minute drill stuff and he looks really good. But put him under center, and in about a dozen snaps, he gets stepped on twice. BJ Coleman cannot get ready quickly enough for me. And I was a huge Harrell fan when we originally signed him.


I think Aaron Rodgers might think differently, and probably some pro personnel people.
doddpower  
#8 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:42:52 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
He would be worth more like a 6th at best. You are really overstating how bad the QBs in the draft are. Harrell is a guy who wasn't even draftable and hasn't even done anything to show that he's any good. He's worth absolutely nothing IMO.


lol, this. If only the NFL worked like it does in Play2Win's head. I don't even think Harrell is the best backup QB on the Packers roster (Coleman is). There's no way I would trade anything for Harrell if I were a GM. If I needed a QB that bad, I'd gladly spend a 2nd or a 3rd on someone like Mike Glennon from NC State who is massive and at least has a rocket arm. Almost like a poor-man's Joe Flacco, just needs time to develop. Glennon is >>>>>>>> Harrell. His success will just be judged by what type of situation he goes to. There are others that are better, too. Flynn is was better than Harrell. The list goes on and on. Harrell is probably one of the worst backup QBs in the league, or at least among them, despite what QB school he has went through.

Silly season is officially underway, for some.
Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:22:19 PM(UTC)
Sure, do we need a bag of Doritos?
play2win  
#10 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:24:09 PM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
lol, this. If only the NFL worked like it does in Play2Win's head.


No shit. [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

You, sir, are obviously not a Harrell believer. I am. No sweat. I do find it a bit humorous.

I don't know how you categorize him as one of the worst backups in the league. But, as you say, its silly season.
TheKanataThrilla  
#11 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:46:09 PM(UTC)
If I am not mistaken his only game film from 2012 has him fumbling in the red zone and kneeling. [grin1]
Packers_Finland  
#12 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:33:18 PM(UTC)
With absolutely nothing to show that he belongs in this league after going undrafted, I doubt any team would even give a conditional 7th rounder for him.
doddpower  
#13 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:53:32 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
No shit. [laughing] [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]

You, sir, are obviously not a Harrell believer. I am. No sweat. I do find it a bit humorous.

I don't know how you categorize him as one of the worst backups in the league. But, as you say, its silly season.



Part of has to do with the fact he wasn't even able to be a part of the NFL for awhile, meaning no other teams wanted him. Then it's his noodle-like arm and average accuracy. His unimpressive preseason, and mistakes during the only time he was actually needed in the regular season. It's not that I think he's useless, I just saw more potential out of BJ Coleman than Harrell, in the long run. I can understand why Harrell was kept as the #2 this season given the circumstances, but I don't see a lot to work with. At least Coleman has a big arm. All I see out of Harrell is average at best and mostly below average. He also doesn't have any NFL experience to fall back on. Add all of those things together and a team would be hard pressed to have a worse back-up QB. Of course he could make some huge jump this off season, as any player could, but I'm not expecting it. Hopefully Coleman gets the mental part of the game down good enough this off season to take the number 2 spot. He looks like someone that might actually have a chance to be a solid backup. Either way, I'm sure Ted Thompson will have his eyes on some QBs in this draft is they happen to fall a bit. I'm rooting for BJ Coleman, though.
JustJeff  
#14 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:53:40 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I think Aaron Rodgers might think differently, and probably some pro personnel people.

I don't even know what that means. Aaron might... :-k

He's been with us three years. Flynn made an obvious quantum leap in that span. Harrell has not.

In the preseason, working against KC's defense - despite being late in the game, KC still had many starters on the field - Harrell looked very good. He posted a perfect passer rating of 158.3, but the one caveat is that it was strictly shotgun, all hurry up, all spread. It's what he did in college.

In the first three preseason games, before the KC game, he struggled mightily. He went 32 of 63 for 261 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. That's barely over 53 for a passer rating.

Any team interested isn't going to look at the four passes he threw in the regular season. They'll look at that preseason tape. He looks great in the gun, but he's shaky at best under center.

rabidgopher04  
#15 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:26:07 PM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't even think Harrell is the best QB on the Packers roster (Coleman is).


Aaron Rodgers is all right too. Maybe in a couple years he'll turn into something.

doddpower  
#16 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:32:41 PM(UTC)
rabidgopher04 said: Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers is all right too. Maybe in a couple years he'll turn into something.



heh, you caught me! Of course I meant backup QB. Oops!
rabidgopher04  
#17 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:28:12 PM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
heh, you caught me! Of course I meant backup QB. Oops!


Just messing with you! \:d/
RajiRoar  
#18 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:51:28 PM(UTC)
No team outside of GB gives two shits about Grahm Harrell.

He'd be lucky to land on another team WITHOUT costing draft picks to get.

Remember his goal line fumble on his 1st play when Arod got his eye poked? Yeah..

Mucky Tundra  
#19 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:07:15 PM(UTC)
Why would an NFL team trade a draft pick for a guy like Harrell when they can could get someone like Cousins from the Redskins who actually has experience starting and coming off the bench?
doddpower  
#20 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:14:09 PM(UTC)
Mucky Tundra said: Go to Quoted Post
Why would an NFL team trade a draft pick for a guy like Harrell when they can could get someone like Cousins from the Redskins who actually has experience starting and coming off the bench?


And don't forget NFL caliber talent. ;-)
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