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Offline play2win  
#1 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:34:23 AM(UTC)
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Man, this might be the absolute perfect time to trade Graham Harrell.

The QBs in this draft are considered a relatively weak class. There are a number of teams looking for a starting QB: AZ, NYJ, CLE, KC, PHI and BUF. All six sitting near the top of the draft. If we could trade him for an R2, I'd swing away. Who knows?

Harrell has 2 seasons under what is considered one of the best QB coaches in the game in McCarthy, watching a league MVP in Rodgers the whole way. Harrell could hold more trade value than we might think, especially in this weak draft class for QBs

I would LOVE to see it happen.

Check this out:
"Frank Scelfo, the Jaguars’ new quarterbacks coach, caught some heat this week for insisting Jacksonville starter Blaine Gabbert would be the first passer taken in this year’s draft.

"If you graded him out right now, this is his draft class. If he were coming out — and the quarterback draft class the way it is — would he be the top guy taken? I think the answer is yes," Scelfo told The Florida Times-Union.

People mocked Scelfo last week, but guess what? He’s absolutely right."
http://msn.foxsports.com...franchise-players-021813

I've read comments recently by John Elway alluding to how poor this class is for teams looking to add a QB.

I think Harrell would be a superior QB to any available, and IMO better than Gabbert. Ted Thompson should take a page from Ron Wolf, and recognize the value of trading QBs that have been in the system. Trade away Ted!
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#2 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 9:49:14 AM(UTC)
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You could, but...

1. What sort of a draft pick would we get for him? 4th at best?
2. We would need to draft a QB from a weak class, trade for someone, or elevate someone from the practice squad to back up Rodgers.

I do NOT think Harrell is going to develop into a reliable backup, at least in Green Bay. So while it'd be nice to get something for him, are we really going to get more for him than we'd need to give up?
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#3 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:27:23 AM(UTC)
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He would be worth more like a 6th at best. You are really overstating how bad the QBs in the draft are. Harrell is a guy who wasn't even draftable and hasn't even done anything to show that he's any good. He's worth absolutely nothing IMO.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:32:09 AM(UTC)
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IMO, no way he's worth less than R3.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:38:57 AM(UTC)
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Matt Flynn gets traded before Harrell, imo. Possibly Mike Vick too. Then there's guys like Brady Quinn out there.

It's an interesting idea. Harrell has developed his arm strength. That's really his only big question mark. He's got the smarts.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:02:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Matt Flynn gets traded before Harrell, imo. Possibly Mike Vick too. Then there's guys like Brady Quinn out there.

It's an interesting idea. Harrell has developed his arm strength. That's really his only big question mark. He's got the smarts.

Harrell still isn't good under center. He was a spread quarterback in college. He still looks it. Give him two-minute drill stuff and he looks really good. But put him under center, and in about a dozen snaps, he gets stepped on twice. BJ Coleman cannot get ready quickly enough for me. And I was a huge Harrell fan when we originally signed him.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 11:14:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: JustJeff Go to Quoted Post
Harrell still isn't good under center. He was a spread quarterback in college. He still looks it. Give him two-minute drill stuff and he looks really good. But put him under center, and in about a dozen snaps, he gets stepped on twice. BJ Coleman cannot get ready quickly enough for me. And I was a huge Harrell fan when we originally signed him.


I think Aaron Rodgers might think differently, and probably some pro personnel people.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:42:52 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
He would be worth more like a 6th at best. You are really overstating how bad the QBs in the draft are. Harrell is a guy who wasn't even draftable and hasn't even done anything to show that he's any good. He's worth absolutely nothing IMO.


lol, this. If only the NFL worked like it does in Play2Win's head. I don't even think Harrell is the best backup QB on the Packers roster (Coleman is). There's no way I would trade anything for Harrell if I were a GM. If I needed a QB that bad, I'd gladly spend a 2nd or a 3rd on someone like Mike Glennon from NC State who is massive and at least has a rocket arm. Almost like a poor-man's Joe Flacco, just needs time to develop. Glennon is >>>>>>>> Harrell. His success will just be judged by what type of situation he goes to. There are others that are better, too. Flynn is was better than Harrell. The list goes on and on. Harrell is probably one of the worst backup QBs in the league, or at least among them, despite what QB school he has went through.

Silly season is officially underway, for some.

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#9 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:22:19 PM(UTC)
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#10 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:24:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
lol, this. If only the NFL worked like it does in Play2Win's head.


No shit. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

You, sir, are obviously not a Harrell believer. I am. No sweat. I do find it a bit humorous.

I don't know how you categorize him as one of the worst backups in the league. But, as you say, its silly season.
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#11 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 1:46:09 PM(UTC)
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If I am not mistaken his only game film from 2012 has him fumbling in the red zone and kneeling. Big Grin
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#12 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 2:33:18 PM(UTC)
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With absolutely nothing to show that he belongs in this league after going undrafted, I doubt any team would even give a conditional 7th rounder for him.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:53:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
No shit. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

You, sir, are obviously not a Harrell believer. I am. No sweat. I do find it a bit humorous.

I don't know how you categorize him as one of the worst backups in the league. But, as you say, its silly season.



Part of has to do with the fact he wasn't even able to be a part of the NFL for awhile, meaning no other teams wanted him. Then it's his noodle-like arm and average accuracy. His unimpressive preseason, and mistakes during the only time he was actually needed in the regular season. It's not that I think he's useless, I just saw more potential out of BJ Coleman than Harrell, in the long run. I can understand why Harrell was kept as the #2 this season given the circumstances, but I don't see a lot to work with. At least Coleman has a big arm. All I see out of Harrell is average at best and mostly below average. He also doesn't have any NFL experience to fall back on. Add all of those things together and a team would be hard pressed to have a worse back-up QB. Of course he could make some huge jump this off season, as any player could, but I'm not expecting it. Hopefully Coleman gets the mental part of the game down good enough this off season to take the number 2 spot. He looks like someone that might actually have a chance to be a solid backup. Either way, I'm sure Ted Thompson will have his eyes on some QBs in this draft is they happen to fall a bit. I'm rooting for BJ Coleman, though.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 5:53:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
I think Aaron Rodgers might think differently, and probably some pro personnel people.

I don't even know what that means. Aaron might... Think

He's been with us three years. Flynn made an obvious quantum leap in that span. Harrell has not.

In the preseason, working against KC's defense - despite being late in the game, KC still had many starters on the field - Harrell looked very good. He posted a perfect passer rating of 158.3, but the one caveat is that it was strictly shotgun, all hurry up, all spread. It's what he did in college.

In the first three preseason games, before the KC game, he struggled mightily. He went 32 of 63 for 261 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. That's barely over 53 for a passer rating.

Any team interested isn't going to look at the four passes he threw in the regular season. They'll look at that preseason tape. He looks great in the gun, but he's shaky at best under center.

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#15 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:26:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I don't even think Harrell is the best QB on the Packers roster (Coleman is).


Aaron Rodgers is all right too. Maybe in a couple years he'll turn into something.

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#16 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 6:32:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers is all right too. Maybe in a couple years he'll turn into something.



heh, you caught me! Of course I meant backup QB. Oops!
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#17 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 7:28:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
heh, you caught me! Of course I meant backup QB. Oops!


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No team outside of GB gives two shits about Grahm Harrell.

He'd be lucky to land on another team WITHOUT costing draft picks to get.

Remember his goal line fumble on his 1st play when Arod got his eye poked? Yeah..



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#19 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:07:15 PM(UTC)
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Why would an NFL team trade a draft pick for a guy like Harrell when they can could get someone like Cousins from the Redskins who actually has experience starting and coming off the bench?
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#20 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:14:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mucky Tundra Go to Quoted Post
Why would an NFL team trade a draft pick for a guy like Harrell when they can could get someone like Cousins from the Redskins who actually has experience starting and coming off the bench?


And don't forget NFL caliber talent. ;-)
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#21 Posted : Saturday, February 23, 2013 10:04:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland Go to Quoted Post
With absolutely nothing to show that he belongs in this league after going undrafted, I doubt any team would even give a conditional 7th rounder for him.


I figured he wasn't worth any more than a conditional 7th. There are a doz guys who are not even on a team that can do what he does. GB has him because he is expedient. You have to have a #2 QB and you have to have somebody on the PS. He filled both spots. He knows a little more about their system that some other schmoe so here he is. Now that Coleman has been around a year he is expendable. They can pick up another young kid stick him on the PS and see how he develops.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:46:38 AM(UTC)
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I'm just amazed at how certain every poster here seems to be that Harrell is nothing special and not worth anything in trade.

My own confidence in Graham Harrell is based on comments Rodgers made to a friend of mine at the 19th hole of a charity golf event last year. Rodgers said no one on their team had any worries about him, and that Harrell was a total stud of a QB. Apparently, he was pretty emphatic about it, saying " really, just watch." Yeah, we all watched, and he had good moments and horrible moments. But, Rodgers' own confidence in him is good enough for me, for what it is worth.

Here are cumulative preseason stats for both Rodgers and Harrell in their first 3 years:

2005 - Aaron Rodgers - 20/37, 172 yards, 1 TDs, 2 INTs
2006 - Aaron Rodgers - 22/38, 323 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT
2007 - Aaron Rodgers - 37/59, 382 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs

2010 - Graham Harrell - 16/31, 166 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INT
2011 - Graham Harrell - 33/57, 287 yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT
2012 - Graham Harrell - 45/78, 484 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INT

So, all of this -quite definitive- commentary about Harrell's level of competency or lack thereof for the QB position is mostly based upon this very small sampling, which looks pretty close to what Aaron Rodgers did himself in his first 3 preseasons.

Here's what Rodgers had to say about Harrell in 2011:
"Among the people Harrell sought advice from was Rodgers, who suggested that Harrell stay in Green Bay.

“So happy, so happy,” Rodgers said. “There were some conversations yesterday about his situation. I think he has a bright future in this league. And with Matt's status up in the air about where he's going to be next year, I think Matt has played well enough to get some opportunities to be a starter in this league. When you've got a guy like Graham Harrell who's learned the position and done some really nice things, I think he has, definitely, the potential to be my backup and then a future starter in the league.”
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Again, I'll take Rodgers' opinion on the matter, and I do think Harrell has value in trade.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:29:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Again, I'll take Rodgers' opinion on the matter, and I do think Harrell has value in trade.


It's fine if you think that, but it's not going to happen. Additionally, what would one expect Rodgers to say about a fellow team mate? Of course he's only going to have positive things to say, or at least I would hope that would be the case. No need to air negative things to the media. Support your team mates and let things take their natural course.

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#24 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:07:30 PM(UTC)
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Dodd, those comments to the media were made even more emphatically in a private setting.

You clearly think the idea of trading Harrell for an R3 or better is preposterous. All I know is there are just a few QBs worth first and second day selections, and not many starting calibre FA QBs out there, with at least 6 teams in need of a starter.

The value of a player who has been in McCarthy's and Clements' instruction for 3 seasons, and able to sit behind Rodgers watching a league MVP work, may be worth more than you might think.
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#25 Posted : Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:01:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post

The value of a player who has been in McCarthy's and Clements' instruction for 3 seasons, and able to sit behind Rodgers watching a league MVP work, may be worth more than you might think.


Or maybe it isn't. Especially if the player isn't very good.
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