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earthquake  
#21 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 9:07:16 AM(UTC)
Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the new CBA put in some extra rules to prevent/discourage the tag and trade thing? Like, once a player is tagged and traded they can not negotiate a new contract until the next season, or something else to that effect. I can't remember where I read that or if its accurate, but that would seem to make a tag+trade scenario much less likely.

All things considered, I don't think a $10m/1 year rental of Greg Jennings is all that risky. He's one of the better receivers in the league when healthy, and its a one year deal, the cap repercussions are quite small. So even if the intent is to tag and trade him, its not really a big deal if a trade doesn't happen, unlike say last year with Flynn, where they would have been stuck paying $15m(or whatever the amount was) to a backup QB.

Would Jennings be happy about it? I doubt it, nobody is ever happy that they are getting tagged. I don't think he we would turn into a malcontent though.
Yerko  
#22 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 10:17:47 AM(UTC)
As a fan, I had enabled myself to move on from losing a guy like Jennings. I didn't like seeing this rumor/news. Packers can do so much more by not tagging him. I am not saying drafting a wide receiver will fill the hole Jennings leaves, but the Packers won plenty of games without him in the line up. They already have the tools to have a successful passing game (minus a great offensive line).

I'd prefer a 2nd or 3rd round WR draft pick over tagging Jennings. His ship has sailed.

Addition to my initial thoughts. If that is a real quote from Philbin, I REALLY don't want the Packers to resign him. The Dolphins are a team that actually needs a wide receiver and the HC is saying "no" to a top 10 free agent receiver...
Zero2Cool  
#23 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 10:20:40 AM(UTC)
Yerko said: Go to Quoted Post
As a fan, I had enabled myself to move on from losing a guy like Jennings. I didn't like seeing this rumor/news. Packers can do so much more by not tagging him. I am not saying drafting a wide receiver will fill the hole Jennings leaves, but the Packers won plenty of games without him in the line up. They already have the tools to have a successful passing game (minus a great offensive line).

I'd prefer a 2nd or 3rd round WR draft pick over tagging Jennings. His ship has sailed.

Addition to my initial thoughts. If that is a real quote from Philbin, I REALLY don't want the Packers to resign him. The Dolphins are a team that actually needs a wide receiver and the HC is saying "no" to a top 10 free agent receiver...



I am not arguing you, merely inquiring, ... how do you see Greg Jennings ship has sailed, and what ship exactly?
dhazer  
#24 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 11:10:02 AM(UTC)
From what I have been reading is that Miami is after Mike Wallace and then Wes Welker than Jennings, I don't see anyone forking out the big bucks for Jennings right now. He has been injury prone and getting up there in age and the main thing is he is not a game changer. The defense doesn't have to scheme around him ala Megatron, Fitz or even Roddy White or Jones. I hope they let him walk and watch his disappointment when he has to sign with some bad team for a low price.
Yerko  
#25 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 11:11:37 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I am not arguing you, merely inquiring, ... how do you see Greg Jennings ship has sailed, and what ship exactly?


Like our previous convo in the other Jennings franchise tag thread, Jennings does not want to be a Packer with the franchise tag...not that he has a choice, but he was very clear on his feelings with that. I think by not extending him a contract during last season (don't blame them), the ship has sailed on the relationship between Jennings and the Packers.

He is ready to move on and the Packers should be more than ready to move on. Maybe I have talked myself too much into believing the Packers will be more than okay without Jennings, but when I saw his asking price on the market I don't think I did. I think tagging Jennings dampers the Packers ability to do other things with this team.

The only way I would agree with Jennings being tagged is if the Packers had a trade ready. As crappy as that is, its a business. Its a deal that as a Packers fan, I'd like because the return should be something nice. It also ensures Jennings will not be in the NFC North.

I think Jennings can play and I also think a team is going to offer close to his asking price. My first thought was the Dolphins but with McGinn's recent comments on how Philbin feels about Jennings, that was a bit shot down.

Sorry, kinda went on after answering your main question.




Pack93z  
#26 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 11:26:04 AM(UTC)
I think the Packers are better off letting Jennings hit the market and if the money is right, resign him at that point. I just happen to think the tag is too large of a commitment to Jennings if he signs it and plays only the one year. Think Jones a couple of seasons ago.

Not to mention.. Greg doesn't want the tag and that could make the situation relatively toxic..

Quote:
One thing Jennings would not be excited about: The possibility of Packers putting the franchise tag on him – which is an option, given his injury-plagued season, and the relatively manageable cost of roughly $10 million.

Asked if the tag was a slap in the face, Jennings replied, “Yes. Nothing good about it. You don’t see (New England wide receiver) Wes Welker smiling about it.

“You want your job to have some sense of sustainability, some foundation where you can just sit your family and know you’ll be somewhere for a certain amount of time. Well, franchise tags give you one year. So it’s like, ‘OK, we’ve got one year.’ Who knows? I’ll be in the same position talking about contract situation all over again. it’s just not clear. It’s not in the best interest of the player to be in that position.”


I just don't see the Packers in a position where they have to tag Jennings.. to me, it just isn't a sound decision in terms of value vs performance.
Porforis  
#27 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 12:18:49 PM(UTC)
Greg Jennings said:
“You want your job to have some sense of sustainability, some foundation where you can just sit your family and know you’ll be somewhere for a certain amount of time. Well, franchise tags give you one year. So it’s like, ‘OK, we’ve got one year.’ Who knows? I’ll be in the same position talking about contract situation all over again. it’s just not clear. It’s not in the best interest of the player to be in that position.”


If your family is what matters above all else, why not retire with the colossal amount of money you already have while you still have your health? Settle down wherever you want, work part time for the rest of your life to keep yourself busy.

I know, I know, it's a legitimate factor from a player's perspective. I just hate hearing them pull the "well, my family..." card when it's really about your job and passion, not your family.
wpr  
#28 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 12:52:33 PM(UTC)
Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
If your family is what matters above all else, why not retire with the colossal amount of money you already have while you still have your health? Settle down wherever you want, work part time for the rest of your life to keep yourself busy.

I know, I know, it's a legitimate factor from a player's perspective. I just hate hearing them pull the "well, my family..." card when it's really about your job and passion, not your family.


I know a place he can work part time and make sandwiches with a Rams RB. [grin1]
play2win  
#29 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 1:03:41 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post

I just don't see the Packers in a position where they have to tag Jennings..


Yeah, they are not in that position. I would love to have him back, playing for GB, but not at any price.

Let's put it this way. I'd rather take that money and sign both Chris Canty and Cullen Jenkins. That would make our team much better overall.
Porforis  
#30 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 1:31:35 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I know a place he can work part time and make sandwiches with a Rams RB. [grin1]


Or if he likes Wisconsin, I'm sure he can find countless businesses that'd hire him more based on who he is rather than his skills. Wasn't there another Ram rookie that was a used car salesman for a while? If I had two people offer me the same deal on equivalent cars and one of them was Greg Jennings, guess who I'd buy from?
dhazer  
#31 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 1:32:01 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I know a place he can work part time and make sandwiches with a Rams RB. [grin1]


I had to applaude you because you must have read what I posted in another thread :) Yaaaaaaa someone finally read what I put lol

JustinAVA182  
#32 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 1:43:09 PM(UTC)
Jennings said it from day one when this started.. its a business (small example)
Quote:
“It is what it is. Everyone hopes to stay where they were drafted, but the reality of it is it’s a business. So understanding that and being mindful of that, I have to stay afloat and again make sure that all of my ducks are in a row.”

(On if he would consider playing for the Minnesota Vikings) “Honestly, it’s one of those situations where like I said, it’s a business. So it’s pretty much whatever would be the right fit for myself as well as my family as far as living accommodations, that’s where we’re going to end up…Absolutely [I consider Minnesota an option].
So he should understand no matter what Teddy does right? :-k
Cheesey  
#33 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 10:24:51 PM(UTC)
do you guys think he will get the big
payday considering his injuries the
last few seasons? and do you think he's
worth the franchise tag? I really want
to know what you all think.
nerdmann  
#34 Posted : Monday, February 25, 2013 11:37:57 PM(UTC)
Cheesey said: Go to Quoted Post
do you guys think he will get the big
payday considering his injuries the
last few seasons? and do you think he's
worth the franchise tag? I really want
to know what you all think.


I think he's gonna experience exactly what happened to James Jones.

He's gonna test the waters and find out no one wants to pay him a pot of gold. Then he'll come back and play for another ring.

Not sure how much he's got left, but I bet he's got one or two decent years left. Especially since he's gonna wanna prove it.
El3ment12  
#35 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:41:10 AM(UTC)
Worst case scenario - Greg goes to patriots which some are saying is a possibility. My god I hate the patriots
Pack93z  
#36 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:48:15 AM(UTC)
JustinAVA182 said: Go to Quoted Post
Jennings said it from day one when this started.. its a business (small example)

So he should understand no matter what Teddy does right? :-k


He should.. but we are talking about ego and emotions. It doesn't always work that way.. look no further and Cullen Jenkins as an example. But what Greg should investigate is why guys like Jenkins and Green desire to return to Green Bay after moving elsewhere.

It is not always about the money.. that said, I think Jennings is a different breed than most of the Packers players.. he seems to like to bask in the attention of the media. It might be about trying to expand upon his national presence and off field exposure.

Either way.. it seems like Jennings wants to be bigger than he currently is.. just a vibe one gets from both him and his extended family.

Zero2Cool  
#37 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:50:18 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
He should.. but we are talking about ego and emotions. It doesn't always work that way.. look no further and Cullen Jenkins as an example. But what Greg should investigate is why guys like Jenkins and Green desire to return to Green Bay after moving elsewhere.

It is not always about the money.. that said, I think Jennings is a different breed than most of the Packers players.. he seems to like to bask in the attention of the media. It might be about trying to expand upon his national presence and off field exposure.

Either way.. it seems like Jennings wants to be bigger than he currently is.. just a vibe one gets from both him and his extended family.



Greg Jennings is avid about pursuing an acting career. He's had a couple spots in some big shows already, one I know of Criminal Minds. I wonder if his after football career plays a role in his next destination. He's got the ring, why not go far out west for money and opportunity?
Porforis  
#38 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:20:55 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Greg Jennings is avid about pursuing an acting career. He's had a couple spots in some big shows already, one I know of Criminal Minds. I wonder if his after football career plays a role in his next destination. He's got the ring, why not go far out west for money and opportunity?


He does believe in his smelf.
nerdmann  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:22:20 AM(UTC)
El3ment12 said: Go to Quoted Post
Worst case scenario - Greg goes to patriots which some are saying is a possibility. My god I hate the patriots


One thing that works against us in this scenario is Ted's "GM Tree."

We've got what, FOUR current GMs out there who used to be with the Pack? They're all probably familiar with Greg, and know what he brings to the table.

And they're all in situations where they're looking for talent.
Cheesey  
#40 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:27:58 PM(UTC)
It just bugs me when a player gets too "big for his britches".
Having Aaron Rodgers as his QB is a plus that he won't have where ever he goes. I think he will learn fast what he will be losing.

A WR won't flourish if you don't have a decent QB to throw to him.
I think Jennings sister (the NFL know-it-all) will see that her brother isn't all she seems to think he is.
Jennings had the luxery of Favre and Rodgers.

Just my opinion, of course.
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