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nerdmann  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:15:42 PM(UTC)
Given his size and aggressiveness, he'd probably be a vintage slot guy. Stuffing the run, attacking the QB covering WRs and going for the strip.
JustJeff  
#22 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:05:31 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
We traded Tony Moll for Martin, just to get something. Turned out to be quite the STs player. I don't think anyone every expected him to really play a whole lot of CB.


Martin was a safety. My point was Wolf and Thompson don't like short corners. They were both okay dipping below 5' 11" for safeties, but not CB's.

Derrick Martin was the only one I recalled off the top of my head, and I remembered he was a safety.

Here are all of the sub 5' 11" defensive backs to whom Teddy Ballgame has given a roster slot.

S Marviel Underwood 5' 10" Drafted round 4 - 2005 (spent three years with us appearing in 16 games)

CB Therrian Fontenot 5' 10" Free Agent - 2005 (late season addition appeared in 1 game & was traded)

CB Frank Walker 5' 10" Free Agent - 2007 (spent one season with us appearing in 12 games)

CB Joe Porter 5' 10" Free Agent - 2008 (late season addition - four weeks on the roster - appeared in 1 game)

S Derrick Martin 5' 10" Trade (spent two full seasons with us appearing in 19 games)

The only guys who got any serious time from scrimmage were Walker whose combine height was 5106 (5' 10.75") and the safeties.

Thompson is okay with shorter safeties, but rarely looks at shorter corners.

Zero2Cool  
#23 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:53:18 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Why do you say that? I'm just curious. I don't have any kind of monster desire for him to be a Packers player, but if they see he is right for the team, and he's there at a decent place to take that chance...


He has discipline issues. He's most likely of the mindset that once on an NFL team things will be different. He's going to realize being on an NFL team is going to require more self discipline. Something he's shown he has little to none of. I'd say after he gets cut from his first team, that'll be the wake up call that he'll need to improve. Something like Cris Carter.
PackerTraxx  
#24 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:05:24 AM(UTC)
If Ted Thompson felt good about his interview I would have no problem drafting him in the 6th or 7th. I would feel much better if Woody was still here to mentor him. I'd prefer a couple of 6' - 6'2" CBs but don't pass on talent if the head matches the body.
play2win  
#25 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:54:51 AM(UTC)
I will say this, it doesn't follow a line of getting bigger, faster players. In playing the Giants, the 49ers, the Seahawks, I came away thinking we must get bigger, faster, more athletic, across the board.
JustJeff  
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:44:31 AM(UTC)
Mathieu has reportedly been working hard waiting for another chance. That hard work didn't happen in the weight room. He managed only 4 reps on the bench.

No one was interested in Tim Masthay's bench prowess and he managed twice that.
Pack93z  
#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:52:28 AM(UTC)
JustJeff said: Go to Quoted Post
Mathieu has reportedly been working hard waiting for another chance. That hard work didn't happen in the weight room. He managed only 4 reps on the bench.

No one was interested in Tim Masthay's bench prowess and he managed twice that.


Correct.. but his 4.43 40 redeemed some of that as well. But the bench does concern a team if you are looking for a complete players.. not just a special teamer.

Also it has to bring into question just really how hard he is working at his craft and training.. 4 reps at 225. Upper body strength with the amount of contact and hand fighting that happens at this level is concerning.. that said, he also is not a grinder inside.

I really don't know that anyone rolls the dice much before the 4th or 5th round.. and one could see him sliding further.
JustJeff  
#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:14:06 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Correct.. but his 4.43 40 redeemed some of that as well. But the bench does concern a team if you are looking for a complete players.. not just a special teamer.

Also it has to bring into question just really how hard he is working at his craft and training.. 4 reps at 225. Upper body strength with the amount of contact and hand fighting that happens at this level is concerning.. that said, he also is not a grinder inside.

I really don't know that anyone rolls the dice much before the 4th or 5th round.. and one could see him sliding further.

Exactly. He's (allegedly)5-9 & 185, and that lack of upper body strength? Bigger receivers would throw him around like a rag doll. You can't ask him to play press at all and off-man is a risk.

nerdmann  
#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:19:32 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Correct.. but his 4.43 40 redeemed some of that as well. But the bench does concern a team if you are looking for a complete players.. not just a special teamer.

Also it has to bring into question just really how hard he is working at his craft and training.. 4 reps at 225. Upper body strength with the amount of contact and hand fighting that happens at this level is concerning.. that said, he also is not a grinder inside.

I really don't know that anyone rolls the dice much before the 4th or 5th round.. and one could see him sliding further.


If he goes undrafted that is a HUGE advantage for us.

Agents know that undrafted free agents have a LEGIT chance with our team, not only to come in and compete, but to be coach up by some people who have been successful in taking guys off the street and turning them into starters.

Maybe he's not ready his first year. But Darren Perry is gonna have him ready in year too.
gbguy20  
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:25:11 PM(UTC)
The guy hasn't played in a fucking year and he only manages 4 reps? I'm going to assume he spent none of that time in the gym. Why would we consider getting the guy when he obviously has 0 work ethic?
nerdmann  
#31 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:47:20 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
The guy hasn't played in a fucking year and he only manages 4 reps? I'm going to assume he spent none of that time in the gym. Why would we consider getting the guy when he obviously has 0 work ethic?


Dude is listed as what, 5' 9"?

So he's probably shorter than that. Now let's calculate, this was what, 225 lbs? This isn't an Olineman or someone like that.

I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.
Porforis  
#32 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:55:01 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Dude is listed as what, 5' 9"?

So he's probably shorter than that. Now let's calculate, this was what, 225 lbs? This isn't an Olineman or someone like that.

I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.


If a fat, out of shape teenager like I was could do about 15 reps at 120lbs at 5'10" after 3 months of "weight training" in gym, I'd think that someone that wants to be a professional football player could manage to do more than 4 reps at 225lbs. 225lbs is a fair amount of weight (imagine bench pressing your average american holding a couple gallons of milk), but considering what the job is and his position, you've got to do a lot better than that.
Pack93z  
#33 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:59:21 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Dude is listed as what, 5' 9"?

So he's probably shorter than that. Now let's calculate, this was what, 225 lbs? This isn't an Olineman or someone like that.

I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.


For context.. my sophomore year in High School I was hitting mid teens in reps of 225 with a max around 375. And I was not a gym rat due to my requirements on the farm.. although that was at times like extra gym time.

I remember hitting some of the high school camps with backs and receivers in High School beating my reps easily. I remember this because I was not going to go back and have some back being able to out bench me... lol.
Gaycandybacon  
#34 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 2:46:42 PM(UTC)
We need Safteys more than CBs imo. Well it's pretty apparent. Jennings, McMillian, and Burnett won't cut it. Obviously Burnett will start one of the safety positions. But I like him at SS more than FS. There's so much talent in this Saftey class.

Only Saftey that is possible of getting in the first round is Kenny Vaccaro from Texas. I think we only get him if we trade up. But the guy is a great player. And will fill that void left by Woodson. I wouldn't mind trading up for him.

We could get Eric Reid in the 2nd round. The guy is tall with length.

In the third round there is Bacardi Rambo and Shawn Williams two pretty good Safteys from Georgia. Shawn Williams intrigues me from his tape. Also he had 25 reps on the bench press and ran a 4.46 40.

In the 4th a guy I really like is T.J McDonald from USC. Big guy 6-2 almost 220 pounds.

We need faster stronger guys on this defense. Adding a Saftey from this draft with those tangibles makes more sense.

Pack93z  
#35 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:00:20 PM(UTC)
My thinking would be this on Matieu, hence the late round gamble.

His short term contribution would be limited to the return game protecting us from Cobb being back there.

Long term, try and develop him as a complete player and gives us a option going forward if Williams performance slips more as his salary next season hits 9.5 million against the cap.

We don't need a corner today, but this option gives you a player of need in the special teams that may also help bridge a hole in the near future.

We have Shields, Hayward and possibly House beyond Williams.. that means we could have a depth need in 2014 to be filled.

To me.. this would be a gamble worth it in a later round. If he tanks.. so be it. But maybe we hit on it and have another player with great instincts.

I would not commit a 4th or less on him.. the risk / reward at that point just seems to great.
steveishere  
#36 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:37:52 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Dude is listed as what, 5' 9"?

So he's probably shorter than that. Now let's calculate, this was what, 225 lbs? This isn't an Olineman or someone like that.

I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.


Tavon Austin did 14 reps and a punter and kicker did 11 and 13
Gaycandybacon  
#37 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 3:55:13 PM(UTC)
Combine Numbers mean nothing to me. Unless a WR, LB or DB runs slow. Linemen its absolutely useless to run a 40.. But then again Brandon You never know if these guys even care for the combine either. Maybe they'll try harder in different events. Only the drills in the combine should really contribute to their draft stock. Not the 40 or bench press.

Now what's to say about Tyrann Mathieu. hmm well first thing to come to mind is he is 5'9''. More of a nickel corner at the next level. I just don't see him fitting in our scheme. Plus he missed a whole 2012 season.. He's not worth picking up.
nerdmann  
#38 Posted : Tuesday, February 26, 2013 5:47:44 PM(UTC)
Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
We need Safteys more than CBs imo. Well it's pretty apparent. Jennings, McMillian, and Burnett won't cut it. Obviously Burnett will start one of the safety positions. But I like him at SS more than FS. There's so much talent in this Saftey class.

Only Saftey that is possible of getting in the first round is Kenny Vaccaro from Texas. I think we only get him if we trade up. But the guy is a great player. And will fill that void left by Woodson. I wouldn't mind trading up for him.

We could get Eric Reid in the 2nd round. The guy is tall with length.

In the third round there is Bacardi Rambo and Shawn Williams two pretty good Safteys from Georgia. Shawn Williams intrigues me from his tape. Also he had 25 reps on the bench press and ran a 4.46 40.

In the 4th a guy I really like is T.J McDonald from USC. Big guy 6-2 almost 220 pounds.

We need faster stronger guys on this defense. Adding a Saftey from this draft with those tangibles makes more sense.



McMillian can play, he just needs to develop.

Wouldn't mind some depth though.
Pack93z  
#39 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:39:20 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post


I mean I don't know. Is 225 a small amount to bench? I haven't tried it myself.


A comparative for you.. last years CB's at the combine benched an average of 15.72 times.


Additional stats from last years class: (averages of those that participated in each event)

Average 40 : 4.57
Vertical : 34.55 in
Broad Jump: 119.17 in
Shuttle : 4.12
3 Cone: 6.88


Comparing that to Casey Hayward's combine.

Height: 71 inches (5'11")
BP: 19 times
40: 4.57 seconds
Vert: 34
Broad: 119
Shuttle: 3.9
3 Cone: 6.76
wpr  
#40 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:43:35 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
A comparative for you.. last years CB's at the combine benched an average of 15.72 times.


Additional stats from last years class: (averages of those that participated in each event)

Average 40 : 4.57
Vertical : 34.55 in
Broad Jump: 119.17 in
Shuttle : 4.12
3 Cone: 6.88


Comparing that to Casey Hayward's combine.

Height: 71 inches (5'11")
BP: 19 times
40: 4.57 seconds
Vert: 119
Broad: 119

Shuttle: 3.9
3 Cone: 6.76



wow. He can jump as high as he can jump far.

try 34.0
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